Topic: 911 Truther Crashes Super Bowl
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Thu 02/06/14 10:01 AM



The entire official story of 911 is so absurd I am shocked its even debated. from the failure to release the pentagon videos(except for one blurred shot that shows something not sure what) to the flight instructors who claim those guys could not fly a Cessna and managed to pull off high speed descending spirals to hit the targets in a jumbo jet.

When firemen and fire captains report molten steel you can bet they are correct. When they say they heard explosions you can bet they are correct. When scientists claim they have found fused concrete and metal and incendiaries risking their entire career you know they have the facts to back them up.

You can choose to believe the half baked story of 911 its your business but don't think everyone else is so dim.



you are bringing up time and again this same old debunked over and and again NON-Evidence in the hope that THIS time someone will swallow it!
Well,at least you are consistent!laugh
There are many debated aspects of 911 no doubt. What is not in doubt is everything failed, the procedures to intercept planes off course, air defenses over washington failed, buildings failed in improbable ways, government lies like Condi Rice all well documented and available to anyone who chooses to search it out.

Fair warning.... The NSA tracks all your internet activity good luck

OMG are you in Trouble for Un-american Activities!:laughing:
The whole Troofer-Establishment is a huge Joke on itself!
BTW,who is your Comrade?

mightymoe's photo
Thu 02/06/14 10:04 AM



But an airliner didn't crash into Building 7.


no, but two 110 story buildings fell on it....

read this, invictus posted this earlier...
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html


That seems to be about the Pentagon. Is there anything about Tower 7 on there?


try this video...
http://www.seekerland.com/2009/06/911-debunked-wtc-7s-collapse-explained.html

no photo
Thu 02/06/14 10:09 AM



Good Question! No plane hit it, and whatever debris hit it would have hit the outside of the building.

Grasping at Straws?
Part of the friggen Towers fell on it,THAT's What!slaphead
Was the building that fragile it would fall straight down when it was hit on the side?
the south tower collapsed at 9:59 AM, the North Tower at 10:28 AM and Tower 7 collapsed 5:21 PM "Part of the tower fell on it" ??????

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 02/06/14 10:12 AM




The entire official story of 911 is so absurd I am shocked its even debated. from the failure to release the pentagon videos(except for one blurred shot that shows something not sure what) to the flight instructors who claim those guys could not fly a Cessna and managed to pull off high speed descending spirals to hit the targets in a jumbo jet.

When firemen and fire captains report molten steel you can bet they are correct. When they say they heard explosions you can bet they are correct. When scientists claim they have found fused concrete and metal and incendiaries risking their entire career you know they have the facts to back them up.

You can choose to believe the half baked story of 911 its your business but don't think everyone else is so dim.



you are bringing up time and again this same old debunked over and and again NON-Evidence in the hope that THIS time someone will swallow it!
Well,at least you are consistent!laugh
There are many debated aspects of 911 no doubt. What is not in doubt is everything failed, the procedures to intercept planes off course, air defenses over washington failed, buildings failed in improbable ways, government lies like Condi Rice all well documented and available to anyone who chooses to search it out.

Fair warning.... The NSA tracks all your internet activity good luck

OMG are you in Trouble for Un-american Activities!:laughing:
The whole Troofer-Establishment is a huge Joke on itself!
BTW,who is your Comrade?
I would like to know who your comrade is. I suspect he is not one that believes in freedom,critical thinking and freedom of thought and speech.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 02/06/14 10:27 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 02/06/14 10:28 AM
http://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2013/05/17/wiles-links-911-to-the-illuminati/

Wiles Links 9/11 to the Illuminati

Rick Wiles is quickly distinguishing himself even from the usual wingnut radio hosts for his bizarre and incoherent rants and conspiracy theories. On a recent show he claimed that not only were the World Trade Centers destroyed by the Illuminati, but the height of the new tower there is a tribute to the Illuminati as well.

Of course, the Big Brother biometric scanning mandate would be arriving in time to coincide with the completion today of the One World Trade Center in New York City.

Workers cheered and whistled as they completed the spire on the skyscraper that replaces the World Trade Center tower destroyed by the Illuminati on September 11, 2001.

The new One World Tower is one thousand, seven hundred and seventy six feet high. Supposedly the height is in celebration of the American Revolution. My guess is it’s in recognition of the Free Mason/Illuminati New World Order started in 1776 that they hope to complete in 2013.


mightymoe's photo
Thu 02/06/14 10:29 AM




But an airliner didn't crash into Building 7.


no, but two 110 story buildings fell on it....

read this, invictus posted this earlier...
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html


That seems to be about the Pentagon. Is there anything about Tower 7 on there?


try this video...
http://www.seekerland.com/2009/06/911-debunked-wtc-7s-collapse-explained.html


no comments? why not?

no photo
Thu 02/06/14 12:33 PM





But an airliner didn't crash into Building 7.


no, but two 110 story buildings fell on it....

read this, invictus posted this earlier...
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html


That seems to be about the Pentagon. Is there anything about Tower 7 on there?


try this video...
http://www.seekerland.com/2009/06/911-debunked-wtc-7s-collapse-explained.html


no comments? why not? OK I watched the video. I seen the buildings hit by debris. They were pretty beat up on top, and ragged looking but still standing. Look at how neatly WT7 came straight down in the video. I am not an architect but listen to what Architects and engineers have to say. U Tube (NEW) Solving the mystery of WT7 Architecs and engineers

mightymoe's photo
Thu 02/06/14 01:15 PM





But an airliner didn't crash into Building 7.


no, but two 110 story buildings fell on it....

read this, invictus posted this earlier...
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_pentagon_eyewitnesses.html


That seems to be about the Pentagon. Is there anything about Tower 7 on there?


try this video...
http://www.seekerland.com/2009/06/911-debunked-wtc-7s-collapse-explained.html


no comments? why not? OK I watched the video. I seen the buildings hit by debris. They were pretty beat up on top, and ragged looking but still standing. Look at how neatly WT7 came straight down in the video. I am not an architect but listen to what Architects and engineers have to say. U Tube (NEW) Solving the mystery of WT7 Architecs and engineers

so let me ask you this... what does building 7 matter? everything around it was destroyed, as was the whole complex... they evacuated the building, and no one was hurt or killed...why do the CT'ers even care? pulled, fell, blew up, hit with a laser beam, who the hell cares? it would have been leveled either way, so why is when important to yall?

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Thu 02/06/14 01:32 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 02/06/14 02:05 PM



I just enjoy the comments at the yahoo article. Have no idea why yahoo users seem to have a higher IQ than many of the posters on this site.

Here is one I found interesting.

Building 7 fell in 6 seconds and nothing hit it!


Incorrect. It took about 14 seconds IIRC and it was struck by large chunks of debris from WTC 1 & 2. Owing to the water supplies being destroyed by the collapse of WTC's 1 & 2, the fires in Blg. 7 went unfought for seven hours. This caused the failure of a key column under the Penthouse which initiated the collapse.

...That's right a 3rd building fell and there was a media blackout about it.


Incorrect, no media blackout ensued and actually 10 buildings were destroyed. I saw it reported in real time here in Australia...some blackout.

Not on single airport security camera showing you a terrorist entering a plane,


Incorrect. See the evidence from the Moussaoui trial.

No plane at the pentagon or shanksville.


Incorrect. Evidence recovered at both sites and eyewitness accounts.

2500 architects and engineers telling you that NIST is lying to your face!


Incorrect. Not many members are actually accredited when one investigates the roster. Furthermore, you assume that they have studied the NIST report and found it wanting. If so, why haven't they published their findings in a credible journal? Gage is a con-man and he will never put up his claims for peer review as he knows it will destroy what's left of his credibility.

Nano-thermite found in ''molten metal''...


Incorrect. Jones and Harrit 'claimed' to have found evidence of Nano-Thermite in dust collected that contained paint chips. Dr. Millette has proved this false, and the editor of the Bentham Journal who published this erroneous paper had to resign over the subsequent scandal over a lack of peer review.


jet fuel burns at 800 degrees steel takes 3000 degrees to melt,


Steel loses its structural integrity at a much lower temperature. You should know that because...

...you worked at a steel mill for 20 years!

So much for their supposed IQ. It would seem the commentators don't really know the subject. 12 years and 9/11 truth still just talks crap and does nothing.



Sure, just keep drinking the kool-aid.


And here we have another vacuous response that in no way disputes or disproves my points, but I suspect you know little on the subject and that is the best you can do. I mean, cleverbot could have come up with a better response than this hackneyed old tripe. Typical, all truthers really have left is just silly ad homs.

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Thu 02/06/14 01:34 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 02/06/14 01:44 PM

In order to understand the improbability of the government’s explanation of 9/11, it is not necessary to know anything about what force or forces brought down the three World Trade Center buildings, what hit the Pentagon or caused the explosion, the flying skills or lack thereof of the alleged hijackers, whether the airliner crashed in Pennsylvania or was shot down, whether cell phone calls made at the altitudes could be received, or any other debated aspect of the controversy.

You only have to know two things.

One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad. Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed. Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed. The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked. The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs.

It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred. No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history. Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation.
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/09/11/the-11th-anniversary-911-paul-craig-roberts/


I was wondering when you'd post this flawed opinion piece. You always use it, and it is full of nonsense and lies. Got anything like proof? No, 12 years and nothing but internet silliness from 9/11 truth.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 02/06/14 01:39 PM


The entire official story of 911 is so absurd I am shocked its even debated. from the failure to release the pentagon videos(except for one blurred shot that shows something not sure what) to the flight instructors who claim those guys could not fly a Cessna and managed to pull off high speed descending spirals to hit the targets in a jumbo jet.

When firemen and fire captains report molten steel you can bet they are correct. When they say they heard explosions you can bet they are correct. When scientists claim they have found fused concrete and metal and incendiaries risking their entire career you know they have the facts to back them up.

You can choose to believe the half baked story of 911 its your business but don't think everyone else is so dim.




yes these people you mention trump all the other firemen and scientists that don't buy the conspiracy theory..

the only ones credible are the ones that tell the story you want to believe.







This is it. 9/11 truth cherry picks evidence that supports their stupid stories and ignores the wealth that disproves their garbage. Mix it in with ample doses of personal incredulity and ad homs and you have the limit of their intellectual capabilities.

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Thu 02/06/14 01:41 PM


Has there ever been a case where a steel building like tower 7 collapsed from fire? If so I would like to know where and when.


Ok, this old line. I put it to you, has there ever been a case where a building was struck by the debris of a larger building and where fires raged unfought for seven hours?

Think about it.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 02/06/14 01:43 PM

so let me ask you this... what does building 7 matter? everything around it was destroyed, as was the whole complex... they evacuated the building, and no one was hurt or killed...why do the CT'ers even care? pulled, fell, blew up, hit with a laser beam, who the hell cares? it would have been leveled either way, so why is when important to yall?


They use WTC7 as 'proof' of a CD as no plane struck the building. Of course, there is no other proof to support this silly idea.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 02/06/14 01:46 PM


so let me ask you this... what does building 7 matter? everything around it was destroyed, as was the whole complex... they evacuated the building, and no one was hurt or killed...why do the CT'ers even care? pulled, fell, blew up, hit with a laser beam, who the hell cares? it would have been leveled either way, so why is when important to yall?


They use WTC7 as 'proof' of a CD as no plane struck the building. Of course, there is no other proof to support this silly idea.


i don't get why it's so hard to believe that 19 muslims flew planes into buildings...
anyone with a flight simulator could do it, except for the idiots that say it can't be done...

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 02/06/14 01:54 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 02/06/14 02:01 PM



Good Question! No plane hit it, and whatever debris hit it would have hit the outside of the building.

Grasping at Straws?
Part of the friggen Towers fell on it,THAT's What!slaphead
Was the building that fragile it would fall straight down when it was hit on the side?


Go to this site and look into it, don't just swallow the truther nonsense, and please read it. Few truthers ever bother to actually study the evidence.

http://www.911myths.com/WTC7_Lies.doc

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 02/06/14 02:00 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 02/06/14 02:06 PM



so let me ask you this... what does building 7 matter? everything around it was destroyed, as was the whole complex... they evacuated the building, and no one was hurt or killed...why do the CT'ers even care? pulled, fell, blew up, hit with a laser beam, who the hell cares? it would have been leveled either way, so why is when important to yall?


They use WTC7 as 'proof' of a CD as no plane struck the building. Of course, there is no other proof to support this silly idea.


i don't get why it's so hard to believe that 19 muslims flew planes into buildings...
anyone with a flight simulator could do it, except for the idiots that say it can't be done...


Personal prejudice and hatred blinds their reason. They use lines like "how could 19 ragheads living in caves commit such an atrocity". Not only is it racist garbage, as they didn't live in caves and the organisation is well funded, but many of the hijackers had degrees in various fields.

The underlying tone throughout all the truther madness is hatred of the American government, be it republican or democrat, their belief system doesn't make a distinction. They will swallow the propaganda of your enemies (RT & PressTV) before they believe anything produced by your government. Even if they got their new investigation into 9/11, they wouldn't believe the results, except in the unlikely event that it supported their James Bond stories, so what would be the point?

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Thu 02/06/14 03:09 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 02/06/14 03:28 PM

I would like to know who your comrade is. I suspect he is not one that believes in freedom,critical thinking and freedom of thought and speech.


And that folks, is about the current level of debate one can expect from 9/11 truth.


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Thu 02/06/14 07:34 PM



Has there ever been a case where a steel building like tower 7 collapsed from fire? If so I would like to know where and when.


Ok, this old line. I put it to you, has there ever been a case where a building was struck by the debris of a larger building and where fires raged unfought for seven hours?

Think about it.
I think about it a lot. I googled skyscraper fires. There are some bad ones. None of them collapsed the buildings. Now think about this, if a building was damaged on one side by debris or whatever, and did fall. Would it not fall to the weaker side and not come straight down like a controlled demolition.

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Thu 02/06/14 08:29 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Thu 02/06/14 08:36 PM

I think about it a lot. I googled skyscraper fires.
There are some bad ones. None of them collapsed the buildings.


Not true, there have been partial collapses previously, (one in the Netherlands IIRC) but the factor you have overlooked is that the fires you googled were fought. WTC7 wasn't for 7 hours. Is this a feature of the others you looked at? No. Moreover, have any other skyscraper fires occurred in buildings with a similar design using similar materials? No. Please don't fall for the logic fail so many truthers succumb to, that is, "this has never happened before so it must be a CD". That is just poor logic and reasoning as many things happened for the first time on that day and they aren't given any significance.

Now think about this, if a building was damaged on one side by debris or whatever, and did fall. Would it not fall to the weaker side and not come straight down like a controlled demolition.


The interior collapsed before the outside shell. This was due to the failure of column 79(?) under the Penthouse and you can see this in the video. The collapse of the interior started under the penthouse on one side and then progressed toward the other with the outside shell following suit soon after. Earlier when someone quoted 6 seconds for the collapse they failed to realise that this merely applied to the exterior and the actual collapse began 8 seconds prior.

I suggest you follow the link I posted for you and then you will have a better understanding of the collapse. There is a mountain of work on the subject and you can read more of the scientific details at JREF.

If you genuinely seek to understand the subject, I am willing to provide you with the information. However, if you are just another truther troll....

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 02/06/14 08:40 PM
You can nickle and dime this topic all day but what is so telling is that they had to have let it happen if it happened as described by our honest government.

So the result is every american now has to be spied on 24/7? every text, post and phone call?

What the hell are we afraid of? ourselves?