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Topic: Kevin Trudeau whistleblower or fraud?
cheechako Joined Tue 05/14/13 Posts: 735	Mon 04/14/14 12:00 PM
Kevin Trudeau claimed natural cures are available for cancer, weight gain, herpes and a lot of diseases. He claimed the pharmaceutical giants want to suppress natural cures because they cannot be patented. What do you think? Has anybody tried any of his "cures" ?

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 04/14/14 12:19 PM
Kevin Trudeau claimed natural cures are available for cancer, weight gain, herpes and a lot of diseases. He claimed the pharmaceutical giants want to suppress natural cures because they cannot be patented. What do you think? Has anybody tried any of his "cures" ? His claims are exactly right, his use of that claim is fraudulent at best. The invention of medicine was based on the work of Hippocrates. Nature has provided for the health of every living thing on this earth. Living within the laws of nature will result in a very healthy being with a body capable of fighting off most any disease. But if you want to look for natural cures, start with Gerson theory. It promotes a healthy raw food diet and severely restricts many foods including a lot of non-meat items if fighting cancer. The Gerson Therapy If further help is needed, you can look for naturopathic or holistic practitioners. They use medicine based on millennia old remedies using herbs and other plants. Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food - Hippocrates

cheechako Joined Tue 05/14/13 Posts: 735	Mon 04/14/14 12:26 PM
Kevin Trudeau stated that your body has a PH level just like the soil. He said that if your body is alkaline you cannot get cancer. If it is that simple why do we spend so much money on cancer research? Most of what I have read supports his statement.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 04/14/14 01:04 PM
Kevin Trudeau stated that your body has a PH level just like the soil. He said that if your body is alkaline you cannot get cancer. If it is that simple why do we spend so much money on cancer research? Most of what I have read supports his statement. That was an Italian that came up with that theory, not about cancer but working on the theory that cancer involves tumors. He worked on a hypotsis that if you controlled tumors, then you could control cancer. He did prove his work but as usual when you try to cut out the big drug and medical industries, he was attacked and his work was declared alchemy. Here is a link to his work: Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? While his work is interesting, I don't believe he has any support amongst his peers about the cancer side. However, I do believe he has a point about blood chemistry and polyps. Could be a benefit for colon. Here is a link to another young man that has some valid points, again back to food, greens are high in calcium and very potent as juices. And my belief, it's not the nutrients and minerals as much as the enzymes available in raw foods that heal the body. The Acid-Alkaline Myth: Part 1

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48914	Mon 04/14/14 01:26 PM
Kevin Trudeau claimed natural cures are available for cancer, weight gain, herpes and a lot of diseases. He claimed the pharmaceutical giants want to suppress natural cures because they cannot be patented. What do you think? Has anybody tried any of his "cures" ? This is the guy who committed fraud, and now he is in prison.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 04/14/14 01:45 PM
Kevin Trudeau claimed natural cures are available for cancer, weight gain, herpes and a lot of diseases. He claimed the pharmaceutical giants want to suppress natural cures because they cannot be patented. What do you think? Has anybody tried any of his "cures" ? This is the guy who committed fraud, and now he is in prison. And? The post asks for thinking about his supposed cures. Anything to add outside the obvious, he was convicted.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 04/14/14 01:49 PM
Y'all heard it. Caso serado.

Troubled Joined Sat 12/22/07 Posts: 295	Mon 04/14/14 01:59 PM
And? The post asks for thinking about his supposed cures. Anything to add outside the obvious, he was convicted. Are you the new forum police? Or did you run out of Midol? 2200 posts in 120 days? Bored much?

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 04/14/14 02:40 PM
And? The post asks for thinking about his supposed cures. Anything to add outside the obvious, he was convicted. Are you the new forum police? Or did you run out of Midol? 2200 posts in 120 days? Bored much? Well it seems you are doing very well in that aspect as you seem to be questioning my right to proceed in a discussion. Perhaps the problem is a misunderstanding of just what a forum is: An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages. They differ from chat rooms in that messages are often longer than one line of text, and are at least temporarily archived. Perhaps this has been mistaken for the chat room as a forum is a discussion involving conversations. The topic of conversation is set by the OP. Or perhaps it is your lack of knowledge of the rules of the forum, the OP starts a thread and gets to set the topic of the discussion. You may be ignorant of this fact, but Dodo_Dave is not and is just trying to hijack the topic as he has nothing to add to the conversation. It is my right as a participant in the conversation to challenge him to return to topic. But now having to reduce one's self to an attempted insult because one has nothing to add is not an insult to me but an insult to the originating party. To actually be insulted, would be to diminish one's self. So I just accept it for what it is, a lack of capability of the originating party. Only 2200, well I do have other things to do. Bored, doing research along the topics I post, not ever, I enjoy gaining knowledge. And this forum is just perfect to maintain a certain skill set that falls rusty without constant use and becomes stronger the more it is used. But many that post here haven't a clue of knowledge, much less at how to gain it. They prefer to live their life in some one else's eyes.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 04/14/14 02:55 PM
Y'all heard it. Caso serado. And how does the case of mass-produced apply?

funkyfranky Joined Tue 05/01/12 Posts: 5966	Mon 04/14/14 04:01 PM
And? The post asks for thinking about his supposed cures. Anything to add outside the obvious, he was convicted. Are you the new forum police? Or did you run out of Midol? 2200 posts in 120 days? Bored much? Well it seems you are doing very well in that aspect as you seem to be questioning my right to proceed in a discussion. Perhaps the problem is a misunderstanding of just what a forum is: An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages. They differ from chat rooms in that messages are often longer than one line of text, and are at least temporarily archived. Perhaps this has been mistaken for the chat room as a forum is a discussion involving conversations. The topic of conversation is set by the OP. Or perhaps it is your lack of knowledge of the rules of the forum, the OP starts a thread and gets to set the topic of the discussion. You may be ignorant of this fact, but Dodo_Dave is not and is just trying to hijack the topic as he has nothing to add to the conversation. It is my right as a participant in the conversation to challenge him to return to topic. But now having to reduce one's self to an attempted insult because one has nothing to add is not an insult to me but an insult to the originating party. To actually be insulted, would be to diminish one's self. So I just accept it for what it is, a lack of capability of the originating party. Only 2200, well I do have other things to do. Bored, doing research along the topics I post, not ever, I enjoy gaining knowledge. And this forum is just perfect to maintain a certain skill set that falls rusty without constant use and becomes stronger the more it is used. But many that post here haven't a clue of knowledge, much less at how to gain it. They prefer to live their life in some one else's eyes. I really didn't have to make my last point in the topic about Birmingham and Muslim schools. You've summed up my point quite beautifuly here. Thank you

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Mon 04/14/14 05:34 PM
And? The post asks for thinking about his supposed cures. Anything to add outside the obvious, he was convicted. Are you the new forum police? Or did you run out of Midol? 2200 posts in 120 days? Bored much? Well it seems you are doing very well in that aspect as you seem to be questioning my right to proceed in a discussion. Perhaps the problem is a misunderstanding of just what a forum is: An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages. They differ from chat rooms in that messages are often longer than one line of text, and are at least temporarily archived. Perhaps this has been mistaken for the chat room as a forum is a discussion involving conversations. The topic of conversation is set by the OP. Or perhaps it is your lack of knowledge of the rules of the forum, the OP starts a thread and gets to set the topic of the discussion. You may be ignorant of this fact, but Dodo_Dave is not and is just trying to hijack the topic as he has nothing to add to the conversation. It is my right as a participant in the conversation to challenge him to return to topic. But now having to reduce one's self to an attempted insult because one has nothing to add is not an insult to me but an insult to the originating party. To actually be insulted, would be to diminish one's self. So I just accept it for what it is, a lack of capability of the originating party. Only 2200, well I do have other things to do. Bored, doing research along the topics I post, not ever, I enjoy gaining knowledge. And this forum is just perfect to maintain a certain skill set that falls rusty without constant use and becomes stronger the more it is used. But many that post here haven't a clue of knowledge, much less at how to gain it. They prefer to live their life in some one else's eyes. should be more smileys...need one for the know it all that won't shut up...

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Mon 04/14/14 06:25 PM
So because he committed an alleged crime, his health information is invalid

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 04/14/14 07:50 PM
And? The post asks for thinking about his supposed cures. Anything to add outside the obvious, he was convicted. Are you the new forum police? Or did you run out of Midol? 2200 posts in 120 days? Bored much? Well it seems you are doing very well in that aspect as you seem to be questioning my right to proceed in a discussion. Perhaps the problem is a misunderstanding of just what a forum is: An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages. They differ from chat rooms in that messages are often longer than one line of text, and are at least temporarily archived. Perhaps this has been mistaken for the chat room as a forum is a discussion involving conversations. The topic of conversation is set by the OP. Or perhaps it is your lack of knowledge of the rules of the forum, the OP starts a thread and gets to set the topic of the discussion. You may be ignorant of this fact, but Dodo_Dave is not and is just trying to hijack the topic as he has nothing to add to the conversation. It is my right as a participant in the conversation to challenge him to return to topic. But now having to reduce one's self to an attempted insult because one has nothing to add is not an insult to me but an insult to the originating party. To actually be insulted, would be to diminish one's self. So I just accept it for what it is, a lack of capability of the originating party. Only 2200, well I do have other things to do. Bored, doing research along the topics I post, not ever, I enjoy gaining knowledge. And this forum is just perfect to maintain a certain skill set that falls rusty without constant use and becomes stronger the more it is used. But many that post here haven't a clue of knowledge, much less at how to gain it. They prefer to live their life in some one else's eyes. should be more smileys...need one for the know it all that won't shut up... Really, and I have just begun. And thanks for the excellent compliment.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Mon 04/14/14 08:05 PM
So because he committed an alleged crime, his health information is invalid I don't think that to be the case. It was because of the health information that was the alleged crime. I did watch a few of his commercials and had a few good laughs. However when I checked his little formulas, they were nothing special. Some of herbal mixtures were a little hazardous and could cause a mild to moderate reaction to one with allergies and even a mild reaction to some with a chemical imbalance. But where he kept getting in trouble was in publishing. His books kept making claims without through testing. While the art of holistic and naturalistic medicine is a learned art, normally based in eastern medicine. While I might agree about his purported crime, it was of a civil, not a criminal nature. But his medicine, just pure fraud. I have lived outside of the normal medical system most of my life. I have done a lot of research on natural healing and ancient remedies for what ails one. The Indians, native Americans, Aborigines and definite the Chinese have wonderous remedies and poultices that are far beyond modern medicine.

InvictusV Joined Sun 11/23/08 Posts: 5282	Mon 04/14/14 08:45 PM
And? The post asks for thinking about his supposed cures. Anything to add outside the obvious, he was convicted. Are you the new forum police? Or did you run out of Midol? 2200 posts in 120 days? Bored much? Well it seems you are doing very well in that aspect as you seem to be questioning my right to proceed in a discussion. Perhaps the problem is a misunderstanding of just what a forum is: An Internet forum, or message board, is an online discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages. They differ from chat rooms in that messages are often longer than one line of text, and are at least temporarily archived. Perhaps this has been mistaken for the chat room as a forum is a discussion involving conversations. The topic of conversation is set by the OP. Or perhaps it is your lack of knowledge of the rules of the forum, the OP starts a thread and gets to set the topic of the discussion. You may be ignorant of this fact, but Dodo_Dave is not and is just trying to hijack the topic as he has nothing to add to the conversation. It is my right as a participant in the conversation to challenge him to return to topic. But now having to reduce one's self to an attempted insult because one has nothing to add is not an insult to me but an insult to the originating party. To actually be insulted, would be to diminish one's self. So I just accept it for what it is, a lack of capability of the originating party. Only 2200, well I do have other things to do. Bored, doing research along the topics I post, not ever, I enjoy gaining knowledge. And this forum is just perfect to maintain a certain skill set that falls rusty without constant use and becomes stronger the more it is used. But many that post here haven't a clue of knowledge, much less at how to gain it. They prefer to live their life in some one else's eyes. You do absolutely zero research.. All you do is google a subject and then copy and paste from someone else. You add your little snide comments and pretend you know what you are talking about.. It is actually quite comical..

cheechako Joined Tue 05/14/13 Posts: 735	Tue 04/15/14 07:31 AM
Kevin Trudeau stated that your body has a PH level just like the soil. He said that if your body is alkaline you cannot get cancer. If it is that simple why do we spend so much money on cancer research? Most of what I have read supports his statement. That was an Italian that came up with that theory, not about cancer but working on the theory that cancer involves tumors. He worked on a hypotsis that if you controlled tumors, then you could control cancer. He did prove his work but as usual when you try to cut out the big drug and medical industries, he was attacked and his work was declared alchemy. Here is a link to his work: Is the Cause of Cancer a Common Fungus? While his work is interesting, I don't believe he has any support amongst his peers about the cancer side. However, I do believe he has a point about blood chemistry and polyps. Could be a benefit for colon. Here is a link to another young man that has some valid points, again back to food, greens are high in calcium and very potent as juices. And my belief, it's not the nutrients and minerals as much as the enzymes available in raw foods that heal the body. The Acid-Alkaline Myth: Part 1 Thanks for those links. There are a lot of different views.However nobody seems to deny that Cancer and fungus doesn't do well in an alkaline environment. The Acid - Alkaline myth seems to figure that the kidneys determines the PH in your body, not the food you eat. I only have one test case but I had fingernail fungus and I ate a lot of Jicama and the fungus went away. Kevin might be in jail but his message might be True dough.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 04/15/14 10:04 AM
You do absolutely zero research.. All you do is google a subject and then copy and paste from someone else. You add your little snide comments and pretend you know what you are talking about.. It is actually quite comical.. Oh, another absolutely brianiac post. Such detail. So many sources to back such a well thought out and presented position. But what I like the best is the definition of research, and from one that seems to even lack even that trivial skill as defined. But I do agree about a level of pretense going on. Just imagine having to spend life posting on a little forum site with innuendo and conjecture because one is just either too lazy or too dumb to post any conceivable position. Would that be due to a lack of a position other than a physical desire to settle matters. A man of the brawn to cover the lack of the brain. And not really comical, more like pathetic.

alnewman Joined Sat 12/14/13 Posts: 4009	Tue 04/15/14 10:41 AM Edited by alnewman on Tue 04/15/14 10:47 AM
Thanks for those links. There are a lot of different views.However nobody seems to deny that Cancer and fungus doesn't do well in an alkaline environment. The Acid - Alkaline myth seems to figure that the kidneys determines the PH in your body, not the food you eat. I only have one test case but I had fingernail fungus and I ate a lot of Jicama and the fungus went away. Kevin might be in jail but his message might be True dough. It isn't just cancer and fungus, but the whole body that has a problem if the blood is too acidic. But it is related to the food you eat, the body needs to be nourished to operate at optimum strength. The three most important elements of the body are the digestive system, the liver and the kidneys. But I would disagree with your conclusion, Kevin being in jail, I would question the intentions of the government in protecting big pharma. But as to his amazing cures, I don't think they are so amazing. His strength was in marketing, not herbal or natural cures. I would agree at his message of looking to nature to cure, but not his formulations. And there are many better books than his available on the properties of herbs and natural substances in the diet of the human body. But one other area you may want to research if cancer treatment is your desire, cannabis. No, not the THC enhanced part but the leaves and cannabinoids. Europe has been separating this substance for years now and using it to treat disease. There have been many studies relating the curing effects of hash oil on totally eliminating certain cancers in the body. National Cancer Institute: Cannabis and Cannabinoids News-Medical: Cannabinoids - What are Cannabinoids? And, the US Department of Health and Human Services owns the patent on a chemical extraction process for extracting cannabinoids. Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants And a synopsis of the patent: U.S. Patent 6630507 The DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration) classifies marijuana as a dangerous drug with no medical value. That classification contradicts mounds of evidence showing marijuana to be a very safe and effective medicine. Marijuana is more effective, much less expensive, and much safer than many drugs currently used in its place. Marijuana can provide excellent relief for those who suffer from cancer, AIDS, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis, chronic pain, arthritis, rheumatism, asthma, insomnia, and depression. DEA Criminalizes the Sick and Innocent for Profit If knowledge of marijuana's many medicinal uses, its remarkable safety, and hemp's enormous potential as a natural resource become widely known, the DEA fears that support for Marijuana Prohibition will collapse, and thus threaten the DEA's budget. To maintain the myth that marijuana/hemp is useless and dangerous, the DEA prohibits medicinal use of marijuana, denies researchers access to marijuana for use in clinical studies, and rejects all applications to grow industrial hemp.