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Topic: Reparations - for real - for who?
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Mon 05/26/14 01:18 AM

What next? The "Affordable Reparations Act"? sad2


slaphead :thumbsup:

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Mon 05/26/14 02:12 AM

No they were not citizens and to this day are not citizens unless they requested to become citizens. Indigenous, means native, they were here before the Brits got here. They were their own sovereign nations. They owned the original land until the immigrants either bought it or took it from them in treaties.


You and I are obviously NOT on the same page or wavelength.

Because you repeatedly try to correct my statements simply because I don't describe something the way you do even when my meaning is exactly the same.

Such as... "natural born citizens is the same thing as indigenous" to me.

I have a GED after completing only 7 full years of schooling and I didn't go on to college so I don't know how to use big words when simple descriptions work better for me.


Do you really understand what a legally binding agreement really is? First do you even understand the difference between lawful and legal? And yes there is a difference no matter how they try to hide it, again study history but this time legal history.

But these agreements were treaties. When you break a treaty, it is an act of war and war it was, the government rounded them all up and did what they may and made them sign new treaties to get peace.


YES! I REALLY DO understand what a legally binding agreement is.

I can also recognize when one has been created in "BAD FAITH" and with the "intent to defraud and deceive" because I have studied the part of our history and the Codes, and the aspects of the Law that interests me specifically.

As for you turning a discussion about contracts into treaties for Indians, well... my mind isn't going there at this particular time so I'll let someone else pick up that part of your argument if they want too.


So when will this tyranny end, when we run out of sons and daughters? Or when the people finally understand there is no difference between red and blue, just new faces, same puppet masters.


Tyranny will NEVER END so long as it is practiced here at home first while being subtly disguised as democracy.


Are you denying being a participant? The masses are stirred up by those with the most to gain from the division.

They will always instill an emotional reaction from one group against another, but to divide requires two sides. Now the other side responds with an emotional reaction of their own. Nobody really cares what the issues are and nobody cares about the truth, just justice, the justice of having the other side punished.

Nobody really cares about the poor sucker that got stuck in the middle.

And standing up for what equality let alone justice.

Justice is between parties, first to restore the peace. Second for the injured party to be made whole and receive just restitution.

Should the parties not be able to agree on a solution, then each presents their case to 12 of their peers who shall decide law as well as fact and render a decision. That decision is forever unless fraud can be proven.

So if you feel you have been injured, address it to the party that perpetrated the injury, if no resolution, then sue.


First of all, I have NOTHING to gain personally by speaking my truth on these subjects. Do you?

And I don't see anyone riled up emotionally simply because of our discussions on these threads even when our opinions conflict with each others. So where is the harm being done to the masses that you appear to be so worried about?

Also, your idealistic version of justice and its attainability is just that. An idealistic fantasy. And you obviously don't know how the real world really works behind the scenes when it pertains to who gets what and why.

So you and I don't have much to discuss on topics that you clearly don't know much about other than what you may have learned in school.

Believe me, the reality of obtaining justice and equality is nothing like the fantasy of those who want to portray these issues as so easily accessible.


And you have the right to do any thing your little heart desires, so long as it doesn't infringe another right to do the same thing.

And you may stand on any principles that you can conceive so long as they aren't expected to be adhered to by another without their voluntary consent.

But remember when you stand and shout them for all to hear, others may disagree.

There should be no problems until one uses the coercion of a government to change the other.

By the same token, what is right for you may not be right for another and again should not be a problem unless one tries to force another to change against their will, so long as what is right for you does not actually wrong the other.

And one is only a slave until they stop being one. All it takes is that one little secret word, "no".

But remember that word is spelled two ways, no and know.


Your argument goes both ways!

Others have the right to do whatever they like so long as they don't infringe on my rights too. Or because they are the majority and I the minority there's a double standard in play?

I'm not into trivial grievances. Therefore standing on principles just to get my way over another's isn't the way I pray for relief.

Again, you try to simplify everything as if you truly believe that equality and justice exists for everyone and the courts are open to all with a civil wrong (tort) that can be addressed and answered to the benefit of both parties.

This is a very naive stance to take. But I once believed in the same possibilities until I was shown differently.

And what I learned is that life isn't really fair, and haters do exist and really CAN destroy your life and keep you down while lying about you on record specifically to alienate you for having a different opinion and cultural practice.

While saying NO doesn't mean a thing when the status quo demands their way being adhered too or they can and do threaten you with unjust punishment that no other onlooker will try to intervene in even when they can see what's being done is unethical, illegal, and even immoral, when and if this is the way things have always been done and the master/slave mentality hasn't truly been put to bed yet.

NO, it's only being enacted "politically correct."

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Mon 05/26/14 02:20 AM


Aaaahh, but the playing fields have NOT truly been leveled. They've only been given the politically correct appearance of such a positive activity...


Sure it has but like anything else there are no guarantees. If level needs to be seen as politically correct, then the field has been tilted, not the fault of the field.


To me "deception with the intent to defraud" is still cheating. And the tilted field is meant only to throw those off the game who don't know enough to retain their own balance.

Getting or giving one side an unfair advantage over another is dirty pool in the school of hard knocks where I learned how to read and react to each play.

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Mon 05/26/14 01:29 PM

So, when was the first and last time anyone here, in these forums, was beaten by a slave owner? laugh


I would say that a good portion of them are beaten by their slave owners on a daily basis. Some maybe more.

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Mon 05/26/14 01:48 PM

400 years of slavery/jim crow was my fault? really? interesting


Seems so, you keep shouldering it and try to serve again and again to others.

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blacks being overrepresented in jail and underrepresented in the economy is my fault?


Again yes, it is you that keeps the tradition alive and well. It is you that keeps instilling slavery and the entitlement way of life. It is you that insist that somebody take something from another for your benefit and act surprised when some take direct action.


if there is intellect that could be converted into intelligent debate instead of dismissive ad hominim,,, that would be a miraculous change to the usual nonsense circle jerk personal attacks,,,,


First, intellect must be converted to intelligence. Even a dog can be taught intellect, but beyond a basic concept, there is no intelligence.

And ad hominem (should learn to spell it) is such an overused word, especially by many here. It is used to imply falsely, an attack on their person, when the attack is upon their knowledge. It is sort of like an idiot standing on the street corner yelling that the sky is green and screaming a personal attack when corrected to the fact the sky is blue. So perhaps it would behoove one to discover not only how to spell it but to understand it's use.

And circle jerk is continuously going around in a circle with the same tired crap, no matter how many times by how many people that the crap is false.

And with you it's never a debate. A debate is justifying a position on a particular matter with facts and date to support that position by two opposing views. And as with any matter there may be multiple ways of looking at things, there can still only be one truth, otherwise it can't be truth.

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Mon 05/26/14 04:35 PM


Sure they do, codified from bills passed in the legislature. You find them as part of the state statutes, still don't mean anything. Only applies to those subject to statutes which then brings one into the jurisdiction of the nisi prius court system.

I do not use nisi prius courts, I only do business with courts of record using the common law. Common law overrides any and all statutes. Statutes are civil and nature and I do not consent, no consent, no contract, doesn't apply to me.

You are mistaking a free man for a slave, slaves are subject to statutes, the key word is subject, like under a king. I don't have a king, just my creator and he smiles upon free men that live as he intended.


Contracts that are created in bad faith and are intentionally designed to deceive and deprive someone of their civil rights to compensation and redress do occur!

Where there still exists the master/slave mentality there still remains those who will take advantage of others for their own profit and benefit.

If the master/slave mentality is pervasive throughout the culture there is NOT one person or entity that will go against the master to right any wrongs done to the slave.


A contract cannot exist in bad faith, just the ignorance of one not understanding the meeting of the minds of a contract. The problem is that most of those that desire to remain ignorant of the facts sign contracts stating they understand but instead are standing under.

And there are no such thing as civil rights, period. Anything granted to one, especially by a government isn't a right, it's a privilege. The government has no rights to grant, they can only establish privileges that they grant and take away from those that consent to be their subjects. It also is not they that take advantage as it is the ignorant that consent for the benefit, surrendering their rights.

The master/slave mentality is very perverse, the whole of the ignorant masses has consented to be treated as slaves, but then cries when they get what they ask for. And until the slaves figure out it is they that granted themselves the slave status, why should another help them? Learn to help yourself and stop crying, only another bleeding heart cares and as you can see that doesn't do anything.


Facts are facts.

In order to confirm or deny the "facts" indisputable evidence has to exist for or against.

A person doesn't have to utter any type of plea or scream claiming discrimination if and when the majority of the facts prove its existence beyond a reasonable doubt in the minds of normal human beings.

It is what it is. And telling others of its existence doesn't diminish its quality or harm done.

In fact, the truth often ruffles the feathers of the bigots who don't want to admit their own actions are based on hatred, dislike, snobbery, male dominance or chauvinism, prejudice or segregationist attitudes, etc.

And taking responsibility doesn't always work if either or any party involved in a contract refuses to accept and honor their own responsibility so they can escape culpability and deny liability.

Also, regardless to their qualifications if a person has been burned or black listed due to the malicious and bigoted actions of others specifically intent on preventing a person from obtaining employment or any other standard resources that are generally available to the public as a whole, the targeted individual CANNOT find work unless the ban is lifted.

Consider how difficult it might be for a convicted felon to find employment that would aid in their rehabilitation back into society.

The same attitude exists toward anyone who has any type of black mark against their name and reputation.

And for women it's much more difficult to overcome being labeled in any certain derogatory manner because it is a man's world after all.


This is all bull, it is just a tremendous list of excuses of why someone can't do something and as my granddad always told me, can't never could do anything, now get off your lazy butt and get it done. There was no can't in my family, just bullheaded determination to get it done or the pigheaded truth, don't want to.

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Mon 05/26/14 04:41 PM


Ah, so only those poor downtrodden black souls qualify, black men qualify, black women qualify, but all others are forebode.


Exactly!

Black folks don't want to share the playing field or else their claims for reparations might be diminished if others can prove their lives are much worse off and they as a group or gender identity aren't banging down the White House doors demanding equal treatment and compensation for their sacrificial lots in life.


Life is never fair, get over it and get on with it. The real problem is standing still crying, never gets you anywhere but red swollen eyes. As a youngster, I got a good swift kick up the backside to justify the tears and to help get started forward again.

Now that kick is considered cruelty, it's not. The lack of the kick is the cruelty. All because most wish to remain ignorant in the name of not being able to handle their own affairs but somehow intimately qualified to direct the affairs of others.

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Mon 05/26/14 06:15 PM

You and I are obviously NOT on the same page or wavelength.

Because you repeatedly try to correct my statements simply because I don't describe something the way you do even when my meaning is exactly the same.


And never will be thank god, I because I refuse to ignore the truth and yourself because you refuse to look for the truth.

And no your meanings are never the same as the corrections, words within a language have very precise meanings. Perhaps that is why you keep crying about contracts, you think you understand matters you have little understanding of, definitions.

"Definition: a statement of the exact meaning of a word. An exact statement or description of the nature, scope, or meaning of something. The degree of of distinctness or clarity of an object, image or sound. The more accurate our definitions for words or concepts are, the better our clarity of meaning, and therefore, our understanding, of those words or concepts will be."

English is three languages unto itself, slang, formal and legal. Most people use slang, words that have no real meaning, just some resemblance of meaning to the indoctrinated few. And now there is the world of texting where one doesn't even use words anymore. Never a more ripe population to be taken advantage of than these idiots that think words are toys, not to be taken seriously.

Formal English is those words published in standard dictionaries. They are the formal and most understood use of words, the common usage that changes over time.

Then there is legalese, a language that takes centuries to evolve. A large portion of the legal language is in Latin, a dead language where the meaning can never change, hence dead. This is the most dangerous of the English languages and is the language used in contracts.

So sitting there stating it doesn't matter and then in the next breath saying how unfair it is, well get a clue.


YES! I REALLY DO understand what a legally binding agreement is.

I can also recognize when one has been created in "BAD FAITH" and with the "intent to defraud and deceive" because I have studied the part of our history and the Codes, and the aspects of the Law that interests me specifically.


Your second statement is a direct confession that you first statement is blatantly false. Legally binding is devoid of fraud and deceit, they cannot exist together. Something is either legally binding or a fraud, not both. And to say you read the statutes, I wont dispute, but to say you have studied and understand after reading your understanding is a basic misnomer. You are a court systems dream, a peach ripe for the picking. You are hung by your own petard, all they do is collect the penalities.


First of all, I have NOTHING to gain personally by speaking my truth on these subjects. Do you?


Sure you gain, but you speak no truth, just the rhetoric spouted by others backed by no concrete facts, all the party line. Your personal line seems to be a pity party, with all those blacks and poor little you. Well here's a big news flash, your pity party is no different than theirs'.

Sure I have an agenda with a whole lot to gain, tremendous value, the restoration of a once great nation. But to me personally, it doesn't matter that much, I will continue down my path of freedom, but with each little success, that path becomes much more pleasant.


And I don't see anyone riled up emotionally simply because of our discussions on these threads even when our opinions conflict with each others. So where is the harm being done to the masses that you appear to be so worried about?


To understand the harm, one must understand rights. When one deprives another of their freedom to enjoy a right, there is harm. And I'm not worried as that would mean I care about the masses, I don't. But I am concerned about the innocent that want free will feel trapped and judge life not worth living, them I care about.


Also, your idealistic version of justice and its attainability is just that. An idealistic fantasy. And you obviously don't know how the real world really works behind the scenes when it pertains to who gets what and why.

So you and I don't have much to discuss on topics that you clearly don't know much about other than what you may have learned in school.

Believe me, the reality of obtaining justice and equality is nothing like the fantasy of those who want to portray these issues as so easily accessible.


Idealistic, no reality, and if that is not understood, then perhaps you should examine the real world. You think contracts are fraudulent, I use contracts very effectively. You speak of injustice, I dispense justice. You speak of inequality, I am one of the most unequal persons you would ever meet, the free man. You speak of legal, I deal in law. You need to be represented before the eyes of the law, I need no representation but appear sui juris, in my own right.

And to you this is and will remain a fantasy world. In my world, fantasy gets crushed. In your court, the judge is to be feared. In my court, the judge is in fear. But you will never understand these concepts because if not not on the way there, too late, time has expired.


Others have the right to do whatever they like so long as they don't infringe on my rights too. Or because they are the majority and I the minority there's a double standard in play?

I'm not into trivial grievances. Therefore standing on principles just to get my way over another's isn't the way I pray for relief.

Again, you try to simplify everything as if you truly believe that equality and justice exists for everyone and the courts are open to all with a civil wrong (tort) that can be addressed and answered to the benefit of both parties.

This is a very naive stance to take. But I once believed in the same possibilities until I was shown differently.

And what I learned is that life isn't really fair, and haters do exist and really CAN destroy your life and keep you down while lying about you on record specifically to alienate you for having a different opinion and cultural practice.

While saying NO doesn't mean a thing when the status quo demands their way being adhered too or they can and do threaten you with unjust punishment that no other onlooker will try to intervene in even when they can see what's being done is unethical, illegal, and even immoral, when and if this is the way things have always been done and the master/slave mentality hasn't truly been put to bed yet.

NO, it's only being enacted "politically correct."


And there it is in a nutshell, everybody against you. Waiting for the "White Knight" in one breath and denying it's existence in the next. Refusing to stand for oneself, but demanding another stand for you. It is impossible to stand for one's rights while cowering in fear. It is impossible to assert a right while reveling in the benefit of a privilege. Your every statement is awash in contradictions. You ask for one thing and beg for the opposite.

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Mon 05/26/14 06:21 PM
Edited by alnewman on Mon 05/26/14 06:24 PM

To me "deception with the intent to defraud" is still cheating. And the tilted field is meant only to throw those off the game who don't know enough to retain their own balance.

Getting or giving one side an unfair advantage over another is dirty pool in the school of hard knocks where I learned how to read and react to each play.


Once you can finally accept that the deception and fraud is on your part, then perhaps understanding can be achieved, not until then.

A contract is a meeting of the minds and it is your mind that is defrauding you into believing you understand what you don't, words have meanings, not desires.

And the disadvantage was instilled by yourself. Walking into a gunfight with only a knife is a failure to understand the terms of the engagement, your error, the other party was properly prepared.

If you can not take the time to understand a contract you propose to sign, then it would behoove you to not sign it. Once signed, you are bound and it is to late to object to what you have agreed.

It is all a matter of one party take the time to understand while the other party can't be bothered and stands under.

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Tue 05/27/14 02:39 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Tue 05/27/14 03:01 AM


To me "deception with the intent to defraud" is still cheating. And the tilted field is meant only to throw those off the game who don't know enough to retain their own balance.

Getting or giving one side an unfair advantage over another is dirty pool in the school of hard knocks where I learned how to read and react to each play.


Once you can finally accept that the deception and fraud is on your part, then perhaps understanding can be achieved, not until then.

A contract is a meeting of the minds and it is your mind that is defrauding you into believing you understand what you don't, words have meanings, not desires.

And the disadvantage was instilled by yourself. Walking into a gunfight with only a knife is a failure to understand the terms of the engagement, your error, the other party was properly prepared.

If you can not take the time to understand a contract you propose to sign, then it would behoove you to not sign it. Once signed, you are bound and it is to late to object to what you have agreed.

It is all a matter of one party take the time to understand while the other party can't be bothered and stands under.


I can say that I truly appreciate being put in my place by a complete stranger who behaves like an arrogant and rude cad without knowing all the facts! And it seems that another swift kick in your pants might help to rectify that!

For one thing, due to the master/slave mentality that did and still does exist when the contract I refer too came into existence, I as the affected party was not informed of the contract being made or agreed too by other parties who were only out to steal from me by way of blatant deception. And I never signed anything to prove that I understood and/or agreed with the confines of the contract. I have however been held to this contract made by others because as I was told back in the late 80's when all this began...

WOMEN don't have rights or privileges here in Alabama, and we are expected to do what we'r told or endure punishment if we don't or disagree with how we are being MAN handled.

It's 2014 and I'm still being forced by a blatantly fraudulent and unlawful document that was created without the Court's legal jurisdiction to do it, to abide by the bigoted treatment of my sworn adversaries who have proven time and again their outright hatred of me and malicious intent to continually abuse and damage me while attempting to rip me off!

And regardless to the solid and indisputable evidence to sustain my claims and their atrocious conduct this is the way master/slave contracts are dealt with here and nobody will speak or stand against the status quo besides me.

One thing is for certain though... IMO...

... if I was a poor black woman and this same thing was being done to her by wealthy white men... I bet 90 to nothing she would have a case the ACLU or NAACP or any other civil rights fighters for justice group could latch onto and claim unfair and biased treatment... I'd stand a much better chance of having my case recognized, heard, and settled fairly!

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