You want free money because of slavery, right? I don't blame you. I'd like free money too. Tell you what. I believe in justice. I'll give you a million dollars for every slave I own, and another million for every year you were a slave.

Fair enough? But tell me, how many slaves do you suppose I have? In round numbers, I mean, say to the nearest dozen.

Oh. In other words, I owe you reparations for something that I didn't do and didn't happen to you. That makes sense. Like
lug nuts on a birthday cake.

Personally, I think you owe me reparations for things you didn't do and never happened to me. I've never been coated in Dutch chocolate and thrown from the Eiffel-Tower . I'll bet you've never done it to anyone. I want reparations. Kind of silly, isn't it?

Read the rest of it here...........

http://pearlsofprofundity.wordpress.com/2013/11/page/2/

http://pearlsofprofundity.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/land-of-opportunity/

respectfully, this is the ignorance that is expected when the word reparations is mentioned

as I have stated earlier, I don't want or know what AMOUNT of money could correct the harm thats been done, and 'reperations' doesnt need to be a paycheck from white people (another impossible task as well as government cant single out a race of people for payments)

as I have stated before, its more than a 'black' problem , its an AMERICAN problem that AMERICA needs to work on,,,,,



as I have stated before, its much deeper than the hundreds of years of SLAVERY that made blacks mere property instead of human beings, but also the century after which continued to legally disenfranchise and subjugate them to subhuman status,,, a history that happened in MY PARENTS lifetimes,,, and many others in my PARENTS generation,,,,,


noone can ask from any individual, but like is accepted in any other politics topic people here gripe about,, people can ask from their GOVERNMENT, and from their SOCIETY,, they can seek to make the latter better by petitioning the government to redress grievances,,,,,



Im not delusional enough to think that any type of reperation will happen in this country,, but I do hope we at least get to the point where we can DISCUSS the reality of americas history of race relations and its impact on the present, instead of just continually denying and defending and pretending like it doesnt make any difference and its all strictly tied to the 'individual'


it did, and it does,,,,

They are either "natural born citizens" (the indigenous population) or they were shipped over from somewhere else.



They were here first! The land was THEIR birthright!

Yet the trespasser invaders decided to lay claim to what already belonged to others so they could claim ownership and authority.



Legally binding agreements are made and broken every single day. And generally its the side that contrived in bad faith to begin with that furthers their underhanded and even fraudulent business tactics by force to ensure they keep the upper hand they wanted in the first place.



Yes... I have been paying attention to how our country thinks its our business to go abroad and force other countries and cultures to change their own innate ways to do things the way WE want them too.... which quite frankly we haven't even agreed upon which way that is for ourselves yet...

But we are able to do this because of the advancement of technology and communication making it easier for us to more effectively rally the troops to sympathize with our version of democracy so we can send them to their deaths as they also kill and maim other people who are likewise struggling with their own in-house authority figures to let them live freely and prosper how they like, etc.

And yes, I know about the massive slaughters of human life in the other countries that we find so abhorrent and use as the main motivation to invade and conquer...

There will be wars and rumors of wars until the end of time...



My stirring of the whole mess?

By simply voicing my personal opinions on what I perceive to be unfair practices?

So as part of the current day oppressed and disenfranchised class myself I'm just expected to keep my mouth shut and be a good little poor white girl whose own hard work and enslaved sacrifice to survive and barely exist inside the gutter where my peers prefer to keep me can remain unnoticed and without reparations?

Speaking up about equality and justice for all not just for some is a worthless issue to you?



Maybe I don't want to do what's EXPECTED of me!

Maybe I see things differently and prefer to stand on my own principles. And that alone makes me a perfect target for all those in-crowd group think individuals who think that its cool to attack me and everyone else that doesn't see things their way.

Maybe I prefer to love and include than to hate and segregate!

But as a minority voice my way isn't considered to be the "right" way, so I'm always "wrong" no matter what I say.

Yes, being schooled in America can leave us extremely confused.

We are living in the land of the free and the brave, and we can mix and mingle so long as we agree to be slaves who have to be afraid of all those who hate us, rather than being allowed to thrive alongside them.

you mean,for Government to rip off one Segment of the People and give to another Segment,to be assured of Re-election?
That used to be called Robbery when I was young!

To hold a certain Segment of Society or Family responsible for what some Members did was an approved practice both,in the Third Reich and the USSR!
Damn,Humanity has really advanced!

from the linked site!

But if we're going to talk about reparations, that's a street that runs in two directions. You want money from me for what some other whites did to some other blacks in another century? How about you guys paying whites reparations for current expenses caused by blacks?

Not long ago blacks burned down half of Los Angeles , a city in my country. Cities are expensive, Hank. Build one sometime and you'll see what I mean. Whites had to pay taxes to repair Los Angeles for you. You can send me a check.

Now, yes, I know you burned L.A. because you didn't like the verdict in the trial of those police officers.

Well, I didn't like the verdict in the Simpson trial. But I didn't burn my house.

Over the years blacks have burned a lot of American cities: Newark , Detroit , Watts , and on and on.
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Me thinks you better read the Article on that Site,it's quite interesting,and might give you a bit of a different Perspective!

Aaaahh, but the playing fields have NOT truly been leveled. They've only been given the politically correct appearance of such a positive activity...

it wasnt just blacks that burned cities, and it wasnt just white taxes that paid to fix them,, the comparison is a ridiculous distraction from something historically SIGNIFICANT

something that happened , LEGALLY, and SANCTIONED< for CENTURIES

not isolated ILLEGAL incidents that were met with the individuals being sought out for persecution,,,,


its just more bs

'another century' happened only 15 years ago,, technically

noone is holding 'whites' responsible, and noone wants to take 'your' money

its an AMERICAN problem that AMERICA has to fix


AMERICA is responsible and AMERICA needs to try to continue with ideas to repair what took four centuries to destroy,,,,

hate became the moral due to this administration? wow,,,thats indeed interesting,,,


could it be that people just feel more comfortable VOICING their hate , division , and tension,,,, in the psuedo 'post racial' politics of a non euro president?

Until you walk a mile in a modern day equivalent of an enslaved white woman's shoes you can laugh and be insulted all you feel justified in being.

But pretending that all women, white or black, have the same advantages as you or the other women you know is the true insult.

And NO, people CANNOT succeed just because they want too!

And no matter how hard they strive to educate themselves and overcome adversity when the status quo is used to getting their way and has been designed specifically to deprive and keep those they despise at arms length that's exactly what they do with impunity!

WHY?

Because those being intentionally and willfully discriminated against are kept quiet through subtle intimidation tactics and also outright physical and verbal abuse and alienation.

And it's only when at least ONE of us is fed up with the blatant hypocrisy of the 21st century's version of equality and justice that finally stands up and says "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"...

... does anyone even bother to maybe consider it to be a reality for some of us before they quickly look the other way and not deal with it to invoke the much needed change...

because in everybody's world and class status there are those of us who really aren't that important and don't have any value as human beings. In fact, being white even works against some of us!

We're just considered to be disposable and worthless waste that's undeserving of respect or even to be treated with kindness and common decency.

So as far as any kind of "reparations" go, well... naturally, scum and subhumans don't get counted in that lot... do we?

I have no idea what that is all about

I havent called anyone scum or subhuman and

this is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT

And it's only when at least ONE of us is fed up with the blatant hypocrisy of the 21st century's version of equality and justice that finally stands up and says "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"...

... does anyone even bother to maybe consider it to be a reality for some of us before they quickly look the other way and not deal with it to invoke the much needed change...


all groups have those amongst them who feel disenfranchised as INDIVIDUALS, but as a group, historically, in AMERICA, they cant seriously compare their demographic plight to those who were subservant and subhuman for FOUR CENTURIES as a BIRTHRIGHT

exception being the natives,,,,,

Of course you wouldn't...

And didn't...

As for "feeling individually disenfranchised" as opposed to actually "being disenfranchised as part of a group"... these are two entirely different realities....

... one can be merely a perceived boundary that may rest upon one's personal motivation and ability to get past it...

... the other, which is easily ascertained by one's publicly recognizable access or lack thereof to the same or similar opportunities as those of their peers living and working in the same cultural environment is an imposed limitation put in place to intentionally prevent the success of those the status quo are prejudiced against...

The subservient treatment of poor white women has always been part of all of our national origins since the beginning of time and is still in practice to this very day.

In fact, the subservient treatment of other women in the countries we invade is the very excuse we often use to convince them of their need to change their ways.

While here in the USA the subjugation of black folks was in your own words only 400 years in duration.

So you are correct in one aspect...

... the blatant use and perceived abuse of black people as laborers who were housed, clothed and fed during their relatively short time in enslavement...

... in no way compares to the continual and ongoing use and blatant abuse of poor white women who have absolutely NO public or private entities they can turn too for legal assistance to escape from and receive reparations due to their subtle and even socially acceptable lifelong toil of cheap or free labor, no education, no healthcare, while enduring physical beatings, rape, and even torture by men in their communities or their very own husbands who consider them to be nothing more than their property to do with as they please...

Respectable white folks don't want to privately admit or publicly acknowledge that other white folks, especially vulnerable women are treated worse than some animals.

So of course our realities are kept on the down low, and any of us who dares to expose the underbelly of the elitist white race are seen merely as individuals who "feel" we've been alienated but are just the exception and not the rule.

Yeah, right!

In a lot of ways being born black in today's socioeconomic environment is considered to be very lucky. Because as such you at least have a voice that once it cries out "DISCRIMINATION! PLEASE SAVE ME!" it is immediately heard and defended by many different entities.

Again.

If ya' wants somebody to pay, this is the legal way to do it.

Ain't one mofo alive wut wuz a slave holder. Dey's all be dead.

Who ya' gonna' sue?

wow, just wow, ,

,,, Im just ...,,,truly,,,WOW

'only 400 years',,,? REALLY?

comparing being sold and having your family sold from under you and being FORCED from birth by BIRTHRIGHT to the status of property to growing up and CHOOSING Some idiot who mistreats you,,,,


in no way compares to poor white women?, in AMERICA? actually , it DOES because whatever is happening to poor white women in AMERICA is and HAS Been happening , not only to 'poor' black women, but for centuries to BLACKS period,,,

no resources?IN AMERICA? there are resources for black women that are somehow not existent for white women? IN AMERICA? you believe this?

being black makes you lucky because you have a voice for discrimination,,,,? yeah , we see in these threads how far that voice goes dont we?

IN AMERICA< there are all types of engines in place to address sexual discrimination and there is certainly no evidence that white women are suffering from disenfranchising discrimination moreso than black women,,,

next, I will wait for the men to scream about how women should just get over whatever happens to them, from disenfranchisement to rape or torture,, because at least women have the VOICE that people will hear when it happens,, no mind that it happens to women so much more often than men,, ,,,,,because it happens to men too , I wonder how many of them tire of people speaking about date rape or atrocities against women,,,,

they should just 'get over it',,, I can hear them saying

I am not making the same correlation that you are when speaking of the bigger picture issues.

You naturally assume I'm talking only about abusive partners as opposed to an entire system, a way of life, of cultural beliefs and practices that are woven into the very fabric of every governmental and private sector entity that is set up and designed to intentionally discriminate against and even blatantly violate a woman's civil rights from birth to death is what I'm referring too.

And YES the bigotry against white women that I'm talking about does exist here in America! And black women do have it better than poor white women.



YES I believe this! This is my personal reality!



I don't know what your socioeconomic background and lifestyle is like, nor do you really know mine. I can only speak about what I personally experience and have been standing against for decades already. And there are NO engines in place anywhere that actually protect women from sexual discrimination. Not that I've seen.

Instead I hear stories everyday about women battling this issue from college campuses to the military and I don't hear about them being victorious over it.

And if the type of institutionally bigoted and selective discrimination tactics to deprive me, a poor white woman of my civil rights didn't really exist and wasn't widely practiced by the society in which I live my life story wouldn't be what it is either.

And my story is only one of many.

While you speak for all the blacks who were sold into slavery and how bad they had it, you can't say that with any certainty because you weren't there.

While I can speak of current day discriminatory activity that shouldn't still be practiced in the 21st century.

Some problems can only be ended by a change of heart, and the government cannot change hearts.

Ah yes, multitasking, the ability to do more than one thing badly at the same time. The inability to concentrate on the task at hand to completion before beginning a new task. The inability to devise a plan of action to allow ample time and priorities for completing tasks. The lack of these skills determining that without skills, one is doomed to the lower echlons of labor, the minimum wage worker.



And what is this, a change of story, I thought you were a member of the African-American society. So what are you really saying, do you know? And then are you trying to portray that the new free African is somehow superior to Africans now as African-Americans? By the same token, aren't you implying that African-Americans are inferior to other races, specifically white, Anglo-Saxon? Does that mean you honor some sort of ethic class system and are desiring to instill some institution for it's operation?

Let's see, someone's great grandfather, a relative passed from this world long ago, needs to have their wounds reopened so that the current generation doesn't have to face a sense of responsibility. That pretty much describes the above sentiment. Slavery happened, period. Slavery has always existed, it is the spoils of war, the penalty of defeat. It pays homage to the idiocy of the masses that have existed since the dawn of mankind. Man in denial of his being has always been subject to slavery, first from voluntary action that allowed the involuntary to be seen as moral. So if you want to abolish slavery, start with yourself and accept responsibility, then you may demand freedom, until then it is only an excuse to be entitled.



This is the mantra of the defeated, the one that wants to quit the race instead of offering their best. There have been many people that have arrived in this country by pledging themselves into voluntary slavery to pay their fare. However, once that had their freedom, they picked themselves up, took responsibility and started again, with nothing but the will to succeed. It is but the entitlement crowd that keeps shouting injustice when it they that are keeping themselves imprisoned. No other barriers exist that others have no overcome once they entered the race.



BS, just excuse after excuse, after excuse, after excuse. If one were to spend but have the time spent on making excuses to become less ignorant, there would be no problems in this world.



It is not an American problem, it is not a black problem, it is an individual problem, the problem of the individual that believes they are entitled to the benefits of another because they refuse to accept the responsibility of their own person. There is no complexity to the problem just a very simplistic answer; shut up, man up and be responsible for oneself.

Translation: Spend time learning, not crying; take responsibility, not instilling blame for ones' failures upon others; do something that will turn failure into success.

this is true, but social norms and beliefs are influenced by many factors, including policies, education, and media

perhaps these are places to start in changing 'hearts'

That would be totally incorrect, the definition is in the words, "statutes". Statutes are rules made by man through bills and acts that are codified into some mystical books deemed statutes. However, outside the civil auspices of man's realm are laws, laws that have no limitations. Laws based on injury or harm which have no limits in the lives of the parties nor upon the estates of the deceased.



That is all very true. Man has all the rights in the world he can dream or think up, right up to the edge of violating another's rights. Within those rights are man's ability to unlimited contracts, to contract into a culture, to contract into a society. The problem with the world is a failure to understand rights, the first and foremost problem. Because of that there is a mass misunderstanding of contracts.

Contracts are mutual agreements for the benefit of all parties with full disclosure to all. There can be no hidden agendas nor any clauses that benefit one party over another. To have a contract there needs to be a fully understood agreement, an agreed consideration, the gain to each party, and action, the fulfillment.



The only guarantee on this planet is that you will not escape this life alive. After that all bets are off. To plead reverse discrimination has no higher moral justification than the one screaming discrimination. For both it is but a matter of taking responsibility. Every where I go around town here, there are signs looking for help. True they aren't the CEO jobs but I would doubt the qualifications to obtain those anyway. And something is always better than nothing.

Ah, so only those poor downtrodden black souls qualify, black men qualify, black women qualify, but all others are forebode. Wow, not only an entitlement person, but a discriminatory racist entitlement person. This possibility the lowest one could ever hope to stoop, the true nature of the worst slime on this earth.

But there is one part of your message that is reasonable, your really would be a world of good by putting it into practice: "GET OVER IT"!!!!!