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| Topic: Reparations - for real - for who? | |
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the issue with 'go back to africa' is the need to IGNORE the blood sweat and tears that were paid HERE , in America,,,
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I encourage their purchase as fine automobiles for anyone.... even blacks. I don't know that I would go that far, some Cadillacs are pure ripoffs like the Escalade, a Buick that cost $5000 more for different emblems. |
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I encourage their purchase as fine automobiles for anyone.... even blacks. I don't know that I would go that far, some Cadillacs are pure ripoffs like the Escalade, a Buick that cost $5000 more for different emblems. just what we needed..another SUV...lol  
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the issue with 'go back to africa' is the need to IGNORE the blood sweat and tears that were paid HERE , in America,,, besides almost all Americans could theoretically go back to somewhere...even the native Indians are thought to have crossed a land bridge from Asia...sooooo why not honor each other's contributions instead? Oh gee what a novel idea....lol |
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the issue with 'go back to africa' is the need to IGNORE the blood sweat and tears that were paid HERE , in America,,, Here's an idea. Go sue the Africans who raided the villages and sold the flesh to the shoppers. Sue the shipping companies who shipped them here. Then, sue the original slave owners. Our taxes shouldn't cover more alleged entitlements. Best way to win? Those claiming they be owed a living needs ta git off the internet and get a job. |
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no one wants your money,, lol,, relax I ENCOURAGE people to read the thing they are opposing before they oppose it. reperation: the making of amends for wrong or injury done I know, in America, people can only think in terms of money,, but really, there is no way to only take white peoples money, so this fear so many have that some people will have their money taken because of their race just to go to other people,,,,can subside now,,,, 
Reparations, entitlements, same thing. Somebody wants to be treated different from others. This all goes back more than 50 years, many things have changed since, including entitlements, more people now demand they have some right to something. And where is the injury done, the lack of understanding and getting taken advantage of, well that is a human trait, too bad, get over it. The thirteenth amendment was understood to free the slaves, but it didn't, just stopped involuntary servitude. Then the next year there was the fourteenth amendment that made men equal, not in freedom, but in servitude, voluntary enslavement. But the sad part are those that keep insisting that one owes another anything. The only thing owed another is not to impinge upon another's rights. There are no rights to entitlements, no matter how many times nor how many ways it is stated. |
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I want the country to REPAIR The things that are broken that will take cooperation from everyone and in turn will lift everyone up,,,, Excellent choice, surrender all entitlements starting on Tuesday. At the same time except responsibility for your actions. |
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I want the country to REPAIR The things that are broken that will take cooperation from everyone and in turn will lift everyone up,,,, I hope you are right. I do know that we ALL have to be able to see past the color of our respective skin....it is so pointless to let everything hinge on race. :) But for things to change we must all accept that we are part of the problem so that we can be part of the solution. no one excepted. the "problem" cannot go undefined but it cannot be defined in racial terms either 
peace=colorblind Actually the solution to the problem is quite simple to start to resolve. First learn just who you are, only then may you pass true judgement upon yourself. Then you may possess the ability to understand thy neighbors, for it is in this understanding that rights may be understood and honored. And once rights are understood, the bonds of enslavement will be released and the healing may begin. |
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I want the country to REPAIR The things that are broken that will take cooperation from everyone and in turn will lift everyone up,,,, yep,that's what the Bolsheviks claimed too! And so did every Socialist-Thug since,and always with the same adverse result!  
Ah, Lenin and Odumbo, two peas of a pod from a personal standpoint but that does that have to do with this? The Bolsheviks just wanted to go from one autocracy, the Tzar, to a new autocracy, Lenin, and total communism. So what does that have to do with the US? We are a republic that the majority thinks is a democracy, a democracy that keeps voting to be socialist slaves. What does that have to with Socialist thugs? Odumbo's agenda is only socialist in nature to generate the support needed to instill an oligarchy. The desired end result is not socialism but total enslavement. There will be no distribution of wealth, there will be no wealth to distribute. The sad part, we are almost there. The only two things remaining is the removal of the guns and the paring of the masses to a manageable situation. But not to worry, the US will not be the first dominion to fall, the EU will be first. |
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NO!!! Let's NOT forget America's true and natural born citizens the Indians! 
The Indians were not America's natural born citizens, they were the indigenous population upon the land, their own separate nations. And some sold their land like Pa., where the original governor there refused to let the European settlers have any land not purchased from the natives. So no, not all land was taken. And the Indians never agreed to become a part of these united States. That is why they were excluded in the constitution, not as a prejudice but because it was their right as autonomous nations, "excluding Indians not taxed", but they did have the option. When I think of the horrendous atrocities that have been committed against a particular race of human beings while annihilating them off the face of the earth my ire becomes palpable! 
Well, you can thank the federal government for that. Sort of like the yesteryear version of Cliven Bundy. Make an agreement and then break it. When someone opposes the breaking of the agreement, then use the big guns and eliminate the problem. Nothing has really changed with the government nor the people that ignore their antics so long as the ignorant masses benefit. And how dare African Americans think to pity trip every other race and nationality into feeling sorry for what their ancestors went through as a result of their own countries greed! When they were allowed to breed and prosper to a limited degree. They weren't butchered and had whole tribes wiped off the map. Or put on reservations while being treated like a scourge. So you have a problem with that now but how about Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Egypt, Palestine, Ukraine, Georgia, Bosnia, Serbia, Venezuela, Panama, Vietnam, and so many others? Do you really have any clue at what our government has been up to for the past 50 to 60 years (actually more but this will do for now). Do you realize the 100s of thousands of people, not to mention the tens of thousands of our young men and now women our government has killed in the name of furthering democracy? This attitude that every black person should be compensated in some way for the normal human hardships their ancestors went through here in the USA is utterly ridiculous. IMO. This is definitely a baseless entitlement attitude that in no way deserves the amount of fostering its been given. IMO. Shyt! If black folks get to cry "poor me" so they can receive preferential treatment, what about the rest of us that have been discriminated against and been deprived of our civil and constitutional rights? And this isn't every black person, just the minority of the minority. The vocal a$$es that are kept stirred up by the political structure to maintain the division. The whole mind set of the ignorant masses contribute to this, but you only get indignant with a worthless little issue and ignore your own contribution, the stirring of the whole mess. If you're liberal, you're supposed to hate conservatives; if yor're for the blue team, you're supposed to hate the red team; if you go to this school, you're supposed to hate that school; if you support the Dodgers, you're supposed to hate those that support the Yankees; if you love the NBA, you're supposed to hate Sterling. And all the idiots just fall in line and divide into their little segments and hate, hate, hate. They are so busy hating each other they don't have the time to realize they have a common enemy, the one making them all little slaves. |
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from The Case for Reperations Wonât reparations divide us? Not any more than we are already divided. The wealth gap merely puts a number on something we feel but cannot sayâthat American prosperity was ill-gotten and selective in its distribution. What is needed is an airing of family secrets, a settling with old ghosts. What is needed is a healing of the American psyche and the banishment of white guilt. What Iâm talking about is more than recompense for past injusticesâmore than a handout, a payoff, hush money, or a reluctant bribe. What Iâm talking about is a national reckoning that would lead to spiritual renewal. Reparations would mean the end of scarfing hot dogs on the Fourth of July while denying the facts of our heritage. Reparations would mean the end of yelling âpatriotismâ while waving a Confederate flag. Reparations would mean a revolution of the American consciousness, a reconciling of our self-image as the great democratizer with the facts of our history. http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/361631/ The Contract Buyers League’s suit brought by Clyde Ross and his allies took direct aim at this inheritance. The suit was rooted in Chicago’s long history of segregation, which had created two housing markets—one legitimate and backed by the government, the other lawless and patrolled by predators. The suit dragged on until 1976, when the league lost a jury trial. Securing the equal protection of the law proved hard; securing reparations proved impossible. If there were any doubts about the mood of the jury, the foreman removed them by saying, when asked about the verdict, that he hoped it would help end "the mess Earl Warren made with Brown v. Board of Education and all that nonsense." They had their "day" in court and lost, all the way to the Supreme Court. But that isn't the real theme of the article, is it? The message the young black boy receives from his country, Billy Brooks says, is " 'You ain’t ****. You not no good. The only thing you are worth is working for us. You will never own anything. You not going to get an education. We are sending your *** to the penitentiary.' They’re telling you no matter how hard you struggle, no matter what you put down, you ain't ****. 'We're going to take what you got. You will never own anything, ******.' " While the article poses many valid items in history, it is the overall slant of the article that is disgusting. It portrays that there is no hope just as the quote states. It doesn't lead to positive hope that one can change, but the hope that one should keep seeking entitlements. |
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the issue with 'go back to africa' is the need to IGNORE the blood sweat and tears that were paid HERE , in America,,, besides almost all Americans could theoretically go back to somewhere...even the native Indians are thought to have crossed a land bridge from Asia...sooooo why not honor each other's contributions instead? Oh gee what a novel idea....lol Excellent idea, move forward not backwards. |
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Uh, in case someone missed it, reparations have already been made.
They were made when African-Americans gained equal opportunity as a result of constitutional amendments, SCOTUS decisions and civil rights legislation. The best that any government can do is to level the playing field by removing racial barriers. That has been done in the USA. |
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Uh, in case someone missed it, reparations have already been made. They were made when African-Americans gained equal opportunity as a result of constitutional amendments, SCOTUS decisions and civil rights legislation. The best that any government can do is to level the playing field by removing racial barriers. That has been done in the USA. First off, in case you missed it, the constitution has done little in gaining any equal opportunity, in fact it has lost ground from the original version. In fact the constitution, once ratified, gave the states, the ones with the powers, 20 years to amend their constitutions before congress could make any prohibit importation. The constitution had no powers over the states not delegated to it by the states, period. And the Supreme Court is the biggest joke. Just where do they get that the right to make the decisions they make, not from the constitution. I believe that you have used the wrong tense. The field was leveled, at least enough for those that wished to pick themselves up and move forward, they could. However, with the current administration, everything has been set back immensely. Tension and division has become the normal. Hate has now become the morality. |
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the issue with 'go back to africa' is the need to IGNORE the blood sweat and tears that were paid HERE , in America,,, Here's an idea. Go sue the Africans who raided the villages and sold the flesh to the shoppers. Sue the shipping companies who shipped them here. Then, sue the original slave owners. Our taxes shouldn't cover more alleged entitlements. Best way to win? Those claiming they be owed a living needs ta git off the internet and get a job. this is the 21st century, its very possible to work AND be on the internet,, as much as it is to still be eating and be on the internet,or still be taking care of the house and being on the internet as to the rest,, we don't live with the AFRICANS< and haven't for nearly 400 years, and we did not work for nearly 400 years building up Africa and Africa did nothing to force AMERICANS to treat African Americans the way they CHOSE to treat them for the MAJORITY of Americas history,,, |
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Uh, in case someone missed it, reparations have already been made. They were made when African-Americans gained equal opportunity as a result of constitutional amendments, SCOTUS decisions and civil rights legislation. The best that any government can do is to level the playing field by removing racial barriers. That has been done in the USA. to stop beating on someone and then say sorry and offer some bandaids is not the same as healing the wounds caused when you were beating them to allow someone to join the race after you have run 1000 yards, is not truly addressing the issue of their exclusion, its just avoiding a further gap than what has been caused yes it was made illegal to continue with the segregation and BLATANT disenfranchisement,,,,but once the gap was already made so large, that is not the BEST that can be done to decrease it,, that's only whats done to stop it from growing,,, I don't believe there are simple answers and its certainly not just a 'black' problem , its an AMERICAN problem as it stems from AMERICAS history of laws and policies,,,, |
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Edited by
AthenaRose2
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Sun 05/25/14 12:38 AM
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Yep! Let's forget the American Indian, the chinese railroad workers, the Japanese Americans of WW2, share croppers, the veterans, and all the rest...... Liberal blacks want paid for their ancestors hardships! Any who oppose it are of course racists..... or Repulsicons..... even tho it was the Demoncraps who opposed all actions sought or taken to right any "supposed" wrongs! Let's also not forget it was their own countrymen who sold them into slavery...... but I don't see them asking Africa or Egypt for "reparations"...... NO!!! Let's NOT forget America's true and natural born citizens the Indians!
When I think of the horrendous atrocities that have been committed against a particular race of human beings while annihilating them off the face of the earth my ire becomes palpable!
And how dare African Americans think to pity trip every other race and nationality into feeling sorry for what their ancestors went through as a result of their own countries greed! When they were allowed to breed and prosper to a limited degree. They weren't butchered and had whole tribes wiped off the map. Or put on reservations while being treated like a scourge. This attitude that every black person should be compensated in some way for the normal human hardships their ancestors went through here in the USA is utterly ridiculous. IMO. This is definitely a baseless entitlement attitude that in no way deserves the amount of fostering its been given. IMO. Shyt! If black folks get to cry "poor me" so they can receive preferential treatment, what about the rest of us that have been discriminated against and been deprived of our civil and constitutional rights? its no more 'poor me' than it is to seek damages when one is in a car accident caused by someone else some things are due,, it is just complicated to figure out what that is in the case of a people who were enslaved BASED UPON THEIR RACE, for over 250 years and then disenfranchised for the next century, a people who spent nearly 400 years of their history here, working but being unequal for no reason but who their ancestors were there is no group that is CLOSE EXCEPT for native americans,,,and I would back up their claim to some reperation to,,, although Im sure some would believe it as already rendered through 'treaties',,, There are such things as "Statute of Limitations" for all harms done save murder. Regardless to our personal open or closed mindedness toward all other cultures every single one of us has the innate human right to be exactly who we are and to believe in and cherish our own ways. Whether we are white, black, Asian, Latina, Jew, Arab, Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Yankee, Rebel, rich, poor, educated, ignorant, male, female, etc., every culture and human being is inherently different. Yet instead of respecting the way each other are raised into our cultural ways, whenever a majority doesn't like something about a minority they want to stomp it out or change it to meet with their own ideology and expectations. "Some things are due"... Because... "people who were enslaved BASED UPON THEIR RACE, for over 250 years and then disenfranchised for the next century,"... feel the pinch! Because they as a whole don't like feeling like the low man/woman on the totem pole? And because they have leaders that are allowed to plead their cases for advancement then they deserve to be treated better than the rest of us who are still being discriminated against and even enslaved and disenfranchised every single day... And I'm talking about poor, uneducated "white women" who have no one standing up for us a whole! Instead, we and our claims and cases are swept under the rug as those around us laugh in our faces and continually abuse us with public approval! How much JUSTICE do we deserve? Yes, I take personal exception to watching all the "poor me" black folks get to fill nearly all employment spots in our local communities because white people are afraid they will sue us for discriminating against them... ...while some of us white women are kept out of the workforce intentionally... While a lot of black folks drive fancy cars, wear designer clothes, have expensive cell phones, etc, etc, ... while also living off of government checks and food stamps... and this kind of fraudulent lifestyle is even encouraged and promoted by those in authority just to keep them happy. ... while we poor white women aren't even allowed to stay in our homes if we're married to a brutal wife and child beater who can run us off whenever they want too for absolutely no justifiable reason whatsoever... and the law backs them up! Yes I take personal exception to the inequality! The preferential treatment one race gets pampered with while those around them still suffer in the exact same type of slavery style conditions that most black folks no longer have to endure... And its in giving them this "you're better than others because your people and you have had a hard life" attitude that's going to keep racism alive on the inside of us forever! |
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Yep! Let's forget the American Indian, the chinese railroad workers, the Japanese Americans of WW2, share croppers, the veterans, and all the rest...... Liberal blacks want paid for their ancestors hardships! Any who oppose it are of course racists..... or Repulsicons..... even tho it was the Demoncraps who opposed all actions sought or taken to right any "supposed" wrongs! Let's also not forget it was their own countrymen who sold them into slavery...... but I don't see them asking Africa or Egypt for "reparations"...... 
And not to mention that it was primarily the British that bought them and distributed them throughout the world. And when this country became a free world, the founders made a very profound statement that all men were created equal. There was great controversy over the matter of slavery, but that was the trend of the day. The constitution was a compromise, with recognition that the problem needed to be resolved by the states before 1808, twenty years, even though there was an immediate tax imposed of $10 per head for importation of any such persons by the states. At that time it was against the law in most states to free the slaves. But I think anyone that feels they need reparation should receive such. All they need do is renounce their citizenship and they will receive a one way ticket back to Africa. Otherwise they need to accept they are free and go about conducting their business as free men, just like anyone else. 
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no one wants your money,, lol,, relax I ENCOURAGE people to read the thing they are opposing before they oppose it. reperation: the making of amends for wrong or injury done I know, in America, people can only think in terms of money,, but really, there is no way to only take white peoples money, so this fear so many have that some people will have their money taken because of their race just to go to other people,,,,can subside now,,,,
Reparations, entitlements, same thing. Somebody wants to be treated different from others. This all goes back more than 50 years, many things have changed since, including entitlements, more people now demand they have some right to something. And where is the injury done, the lack of understanding and getting taken advantage of, well that is a human trait, too bad, get over it. The thirteenth amendment was understood to free the slaves, but it didn't, just stopped involuntary servitude. Then the next year there was the fourteenth amendment that made men equal, not in freedom, but in servitude, voluntary enslavement. But the sad part are those that keep insisting that one owes another anything. The only thing owed another is not to impinge upon another's rights. There are no rights to entitlements, no matter how many times nor how many ways it is stated.
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white women are facing the same enslavement as blacks did , in AMERICA?
where? nevermind, I cant decide if its laughable or insulting but yeah, lets just avoid the history and the effects of that history and adopt the attitude that none of it matters people can succeed if they want to because we are all just individuals and lets stop blaming governments too, while we are at it,, after all, in every country, regardless of government, there are still successful people and I shouldn't expect to read in these threads anyone griping about government because 'they as a whole don't like feeling like the low man/woman on the totem pole' I expect such comlainants to remember that "the lack of understanding and getting taken advantage of, well that is a human trait, too bad, get over it." lets cease to talk politics at all while we all just GET OVER IT,,,,, |
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