Topic: Reparations - for real - for who?
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Sun 05/25/14 01:23 PM



You want free money because of slavery, right? I don't blame you. I'd like free money too. Tell you what. I believe in justice. I'll give you a million dollars for every slave I own, and another million for every year you were a slave.

Fair enough? But tell me, how many slaves do you suppose I have? In round numbers, I mean, say to the nearest dozen.

Oh. In other words, I owe you reparations for something that I didn't do and didn't happen to you. That makes sense. Like
lug nuts on a birthday cake.

Personally, I think you owe me reparations for things you didn't do and never happened to me. I've never been coated in Dutch chocolate and thrown from the Eiffel-Tower . I'll bet you've never done it to anyone. I want reparations. Kind of silly, isn't it?

Read the rest of it here...........

http://pearlsofprofundity.wordpress.com/2013/11/page/2/

http://pearlsofprofundity.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/land-of-opportunity/



Hey, what's wrong with lug nuts on a birthday cake, they can hold the candles.

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Sun 05/25/14 01:40 PM

respectfully, this is the ignorance that is expected when the word reparations is mentioned

as I have stated earlier, I don't want or know what AMOUNT of money could correct the harm thats been done, and 'reperations' doesnt need to be a paycheck from white people (another impossible task as well as government cant single out a race of people for payments)

as I have stated before, its more than a 'black' problem , its an AMERICAN problem that AMERICA needs to work on,,,,,


I will agree with that, America does need to work on the problem. I vote we start buying the exit tickets for Africa immediately. And we should offer a free funeral pyre down at the county trash incinerator for all those that expire in the gutter when entitlements totally cut off.


as I have stated before, its much deeper than the hundreds of years of SLAVERY that made blacks mere property instead of human beings, but also the century after which continued to legally disenfranchise and subjugate them to subhuman status,,, a history that happened in MY PARENTS lifetimes,,, and many others in my PARENTS generation,,,,,


And where are blacks still property, in your wee mind? But really, where can one buy one? Down at the welfare office?


noone can ask from any individual, but like is accepted in any other politics topic people here gripe about,, people can ask from their GOVERNMENT, and from their SOCIETY,, they can seek to make the latter better by petitioning the government to redress grievances,,,,,


What grievance, slavery? The government does support slavery and I for one am all for it's discontinuance, stop entitlement, all of them. In fact let's go one better, let's abolish government, it serves no purpose outside enforcement of slavery and crime.


Im not delusional enough to think that any type of reperation will happen in this country,, but I do hope we at least get to the point where we can DISCUSS the reality of americas history of race relations and its impact on the present, instead of just continually denying and defending and pretending like it doesnt make any difference and its all strictly tied to the 'individual'


Sure you're delusional. You want to get more entitlements than you're currently getting and want to pretend that it's not immoral and a crime. Just because the government holds the gun does not change the facts. But I do believe justice should be done, accessory after the fact, reparations for all that has been stolen from the rightful owners. So when can we expect your check?


it did, and it does,,,,


What did and what is something going to do?

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Sun 05/25/14 02:55 PM
What next? The "Affordable Reparations Act"? sad2

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Sun 05/25/14 03:02 PM
actually HR 40, seeking a commission to study the impact of slavery and jim crow and suggest appropriate redress,,


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Sun 05/25/14 03:56 PM

actually HR 40, seeking a commission to study the impact of slavery and jim crow and suggest appropriate redress,,


huh Appropriate redress?

Giving everyone equal opportunity and a level playing field isn't enough?

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Sun 05/25/14 03:58 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 05/25/14 04:00 PM


actually HR 40, seeking a commission to study the impact of slavery and jim crow and suggest appropriate redress,,


huh Appropriate redress?

Giving everyone equal opportunity and a level playing field isn't enough?


you already know my answer,, it isnt necessarily enough to say sorry and promise not to beat someone anymore , that may stop continued wounds but it doesnt make that person 'whole' again,,,,depending upon what your beating left in its wake(lost work, emotional distress,,etc,,)


so the appropriate redress for the historical beating that was slavery and jim crow


would be for consideration after appropriate study of the cause and affect of past injustice,,

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Sun 05/25/14 05:22 PM
So, when was the first and last time anyone here, in these forums, was beaten by a slave owner? laugh

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Sun 05/25/14 05:34 PM

So, when was the first and last time anyone here, in these forums, was beaten by a slave owner? laugh


I don't know about in these forums but I think Oprah has been abusive to some of her slaves.

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Sun 05/25/14 05:43 PM


The Indians were not America's natural born citizens, they were the indigenous population upon the land, their own separate nations.


They are either "natural born citizens" (the indigenous population) or they were shipped over from somewhere else.


No they were not citizens and to this day are not citizens unless they requested to become citizens. Indigenous, means native, they were here before the Brits got here. They were their own sovereign nations. They owned the original land until the immigrants either bought it or took it from them in treaties.



And the Indians never agreed to become a part of these united States.


They were here first! The land was THEIR birthright!

Yet the trespasser invaders decided to lay claim to what already belonged to others so they could claim ownership and authority.


Yes they were here first, it was their land. Each of the tribes were sovereign Indian Nations. And you really should read some history. Some of the first settlers purchased land from the Indians, like Pennsylvania. And the British stole some of the land for the first thirteen states (which also included Maine, Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia). The Spanish stole Florida while the French stole the Louisanna purchase. The United State bought both. And let's not forget the Northwest Territory that included Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan and Wisconsin, the British stole that too and got it as spoils of war.

But yes, the Indians were rejected from the land they occupied when the government did what American is still famous for to this day, they took it with violence, they went to war, won and signed treaties, the spoils of a conquered nation.

Now if anyone is going to complain, it should be them, but I believe they have settled their differences.



Make an agreement and then break it. When someone opposes the breaking of the agreement, then use the big guns and eliminate the problem.


Legally binding agreements are made and broken every single day. And generally its the side that contrived in bad faith to begin with that furthers their underhanded and even fraudulent business tactics by force to ensure they keep the upper hand they wanted in the first place.


Do you really understand what a legally binding agreement really is? First do you even understand the difference between lawful and legal? And yes there is a difference no matter how they try to hide it, again study history but this time legal history.

But these agreements were treaties. When you break a treaty, it is an act of war and war it was, the government rounded them all up and did what they may and made them sign new treaties to get peace.



So you have a problem with that now but how about Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Egypt, Palestine, Ukraine, Georgia, Bosnia, Serbia, Venezuela, Panama, Vietnam, and so many others?

Do you really have any clue at what our government has been up to for the past 50 to 60 years (actually more but this will do for now).

Do you realize the 100s of thousands of people, not to mention the tens of thousands of our young men and now women our government has killed in the name of furthering democracy?


Yes... I have been paying attention to how our country thinks its our business to go abroad and force other countries and cultures to change their own innate ways to do things the way WE want them too.... which quite frankly we haven't even agreed upon which way that is for ourselves yet...

But we are able to do this because of the advancement of technology and communication making it easier for us to more effectively rally the troops to sympathize with our version of democracy so we can send them to their deaths as they also kill and maim other people who are likewise struggling with their own in-house authority figures to let them live freely and prosper how they like, etc.

And yes, I know about the massive slaughters of human life in the other countries that we find so abhorrent and use as the main motivation to invade and conquer...

There will be wars and rumors of wars until the end of time...


No, it has nothing to do with any advancements except for the increased number killed. It has to do with the people of this nation, not the government. "We the people..." stand up and cheer every time the psychopathic statist tell us it's for out safety that we allow them to kill people that have done nothing to us. This country has been devising false flags forever in order to get this country into war so the bankers and military industrial complex owned by then can make tremendous profits. Yes, the lives of America sons and daughters in trade for bankers profits. Let's see USS Maine, Spanish American War; the Lusitania, WWI; Pearl Harbor, WWII, Gulf of Tonkin, Vietnam War; Weapons of Mass Destruction, Iraq; Qaddafi defending against US backed rebels, Libya; rebels gas civilians, almost Syria, finally people object but does that stop them, no now Ukraine and Venezuela.

So when will this tyranny end, when we run out of sons and daughters? Or when the people finally understand there is no difference between red and blue, just new faces, same puppet masters.



And this isn't every black person, just the minority of the minority. The vocal a$$es that are kept stirred up by the political structure to maintain the division.

The whole mind set of the ignorant masses contribute to this, but you only get indignant with a worthless little issue and ignore your own contribution, the stirring of the whole mess.


My stirring of the whole mess?

By simply voicing my personal opinions on what I perceive to be unfair practices?

So as part of the current day oppressed and disenfranchised class myself I'm just expected to keep my mouth shut and be a good little poor white girl whose own hard work and enslaved sacrifice to survive and barely exist inside the gutter where my peers prefer to keep me can remain unnoticed and without reparations?

Speaking up about equality and justice for all not just for some is a worthless issue to you?


Are you denying being a participant? The masses are stirred up by those with the most to gain from the division. They will always instill an emotional reaction from one group against another, but to divide requires two sides. Now the other side responds with an emotional reaction of their own. Nobody really cares what the issues are and nobody cares about the truth, just justice, the justice of having the other side punished. Nobody really cares about the poor sucker that got stuck in the middle.

And standing up for what equality let alone justice. Justice is between parties, first to restore the peace. Second for the injured party to be made whole and receive just restitution. Should the parties not be able to agree on a solution, then each presents their case to 12 of their peers who shall decide law as well as fact and render a decision. That decision is forever unless fraud can be proven.

So if you feel you have been injured, address it to the party that perpetrated the injury, if no resolution, then sue.



If you're liberal, you're supposed to hate conservatives; if yor're for the blue team, you're supposed to hate the red team; if you go to this school, you're supposed to hate that school; if you support the Dodgers, you're supposed to hate those that support the Yankees; if you love the NBA, you're supposed to hate Sterling.

And all the idiots just fall in line and divide into their little segments and hate, hate, hate. They are so busy hating each other they don't have the time to realize they have a common enemy, the one making them all little slaves.


Maybe I don't want to do what's EXPECTED of me!

Maybe I see things differently and prefer to stand on my own principles. And that alone makes me a perfect target for all those in-crowd group think individuals who think that its cool to attack me and everyone else that doesn't see things their way.

Maybe I prefer to love and include than to hate and segregate!

But as a minority voice my way isn't considered to be the "right" way, so I'm always "wrong" no matter what I say.

Yes, being schooled in America can leave us extremely confused.

We are living in the land of the free and the brave, and we can mix and mingle so long as we agree to be slaves who have to be afraid of all those who hate us, rather than being allowed to thrive alongside them.

ohwell



Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's backside when it landed but until the day that happens it does not negate the fact the frog is going to bump it's backside.

And you have the right to do any thing your little heart desires, so long as it doesn't infringe another right to do the same thing.

And you may stand on any principles that you can conceive so long as they aren't expected to be adhered to by another without their voluntary consent. But remember when you stand and shout them for all to hear, others may disagree. There should be no problems until one uses the coercion of a government to change the other. By the same token, what is right for you may not be right for another and again should not be a problem unless one tries to force another to change against their will, so long as what is right for you does not actually wrong the other.

And one is only a slave until they stop being one. All it takes is that one little secret word, "no". But remember that word is spelled two ways, no and know.

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Sun 05/25/14 06:01 PM

you mean,for Government to rip off one Segment of the People and give to another Segment,to be assured of Re-election?
That used to be called Robbery when I was young!

To hold a certain Segment of Society or Family responsible for what some Members did was an approved practice both,in the Third Reich and the USSR!
Damn,Humanity has really advanced!sick ill

from the linked site!

But if we're going to talk about reparations, that's a street that runs in two directions. You want money from me for what some other whites did to some other blacks in another century? How about you guys paying whites reparations for current expenses caused by blacks?

Not long ago blacks burned down half of Los Angeles , a city in my country. Cities are expensive, Hank. Build one sometime and you'll see what I mean. Whites had to pay taxes to repair Los Angeles for you. You can send me a check.

Now, yes, I know you burned L.A. because you didn't like the verdict in the trial of those police officers.

Well, I didn't like the verdict in the Simpson trial. But I didn't burn my house.

Over the years blacks have burned a lot of American cities: Newark , Detroit , Watts , and on and on.
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Me thinks you better read the Article on that Site,it's quite interesting,and might give you a bit of a different Perspective!



There is nothing new in this universe. Whatever is has always been and that which isn't never will be. Mankind is just on one big loop, repeating and repeating the same things over and over. Some of mankind are awake and study the past to avoid certain things in their future but the masses just sleepwalk repeating things over and over again falling into the same pitfalls.

And nobody ever invents anything, it was already there. Some soul just discovered how to bring it into sight. The resources of this planet have been here since the beginning except for those that bang into us occasionally. The combinations of these substances are definitive and cannot change. Some combinations have been discovered while others have still to be discovered. This is natural law, irrefutable and immutable.

It is but mankind that is ever in fluctuation. Some will seek the seek knowledge and find the truth. Most will seek nothing and accept anything as truth. The difference between selfishness and selflessness, man is defined by which they see as evil.

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Sun 05/25/14 06:10 PM

Aaaahh, but the playing fields have NOT truly been leveled. They've only been given the politically correct appearance of such a positive activity...


Sure it has but like anything else there are no guarantees. If level needs to be seen as politically correct, then the field has been tilted, not the fault of the field.

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Sun 05/25/14 06:23 PM

it wasnt just blacks that burned cities, and it wasnt just white taxes that paid to fix them,, the comparison is a ridiculous distraction from something historically SIGNIFICANT

something that happened , LEGALLY, and SANCTIONED< for CENTURIES

not isolated ILLEGAL incidents that were met with the individuals being sought out for persecution,,,,

its just more bs

'another century' happened only 15 years ago,, technically

noone is holding 'whites' responsible, and noone wants to take 'your' money

its an AMERICAN problem that AMERICA has to fix

AMERICA is responsible and AMERICA needs to try to continue with ideas to repair what took four centuries to destroy,,,,


So being this ended with America, am I to presume that the whole statement refers to the same or is this just another set of declarations that can be denied?

First, list other incidents that you claim to know where riots and burning involved other than blacks, should not be that long of a list.

Second, are you telling me that those involved had anything of value other than the looting prior to the burning to offer for reparations? So this would just be another little entitlement incident, they are entitled to burn and others need to be robbed to rebuild. And I am sure that the black taxpayers that were likewise robbed to pay for this little entitlement mess weren't too happy either.

And the rest is just pure BS, if what you say is not BS, then surrender your entitlements and be responsible for yourself, not going to happen. So you do want things that are not yours.

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Sun 05/25/14 06:29 PM

hate became the moral due to this administration? wow,,,thats indeed interesting,,,

could it be that people just feel more comfortable VOICING their hate , division , and tension,,,, in the psuedo 'post racial' politics of a non euro president?


To deny facts don't change them, just displays the level of ignorance one is willing to demonstrate to the world.

Where the error in judgement seems to manifest itself is in believing Odumbo is a man when in reality he is just a little egotistical psychopathic statist puppet with his strings being pulled by the elitist psychopathic statist.

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Sun 05/25/14 06:31 PM


Here's an idea.

Go sue the Africans who raided the villages and sold the flesh to the shoppers.

Sue the shipping companies who shipped them here.
Then, sue the original slave owners.

Our taxes shouldn't cover more alleged entitlements.

Best way to win? Those claiming they be owed a living needs ta git off the internet and get a job.

Again.

If ya' wants somebody to pay, this is the legal way to do it.

Ain't one mofo alive wut wuz a slave holder. Dey's all be dead.

Who ya' gonna' sue?


They want to sue that big cash cow, the one that just gives and gives, the taxpayers grandchildren at the point of that big government gun.

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Sun 05/25/14 06:37 PM

wow, just wow, ,

,,, Im just ...,,,truly,,,WOW

'only 400 years',,,? REALLY?

comparing being sold and having your family sold from under you and being FORCED from birth by BIRTHRIGHT to the status of property to growing up and CHOOSING Some idiot who mistreats you,,,,


in no way compares to poor white women?, in AMERICA? actually , it DOES because whatever is happening to poor white women in AMERICA is and HAS Been happening , not only to 'poor' black women, but for centuries to BLACKS period,,,

no resources?IN AMERICA? there are resources for black women that are somehow not existent for white women? IN AMERICA? you believe this?

being black makes you lucky because you have a voice for discrimination,,,,? yeah , we see in these threads how far that voice goes dont we?

IN AMERICA< there are all types of engines in place to address sexual discrimination and there is certainly no evidence that white women are suffering from disenfranchising discrimination moreso than black women,,,

next, I will wait for the men to scream about how women should just get over whatever happens to them, from disenfranchisement to rape or torture,, because at least women have the VOICE that people will hear when it happens,, no mind that it happens to women so much more often than men,, ,,,,,because it happens to men too , I wonder how many of them tire of people speaking about date rape or atrocities against women,,,,

they should just 'get over it',,, I can hear them saying


Oh yeah, here we go. lets just kick in some additional excuses. Can you hold on here a sec, got to get a new notebook, this one full.

But as to your conclusion, if there were any intellect that could be converted to intelligence, that would be an outstanding thing to do.

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Sun 05/25/14 06:39 PM

this is true, but social norms and beliefs are influenced by many factors, including policies, education, and media

perhaps these are places to start in changing 'hearts'


Any blame, any excuse to keep from facing the solution, it's your fault, accept responsibility for your own actions.

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Sun 05/25/14 06:41 PM

What next? The "Affordable Reparations Act"? sad2


I think that is in the 2016 roll-out portion of Odumbocare!

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Sun 05/25/14 11:09 PM


this is true, but social norms and beliefs are influenced by many factors, including policies, education, and media

perhaps these are places to start in changing 'hearts'


Any blame, any excuse to keep from facing the solution, it's your fault, accept responsibility for your own actions.



400 years of slavery/jim crow was my fault? really? interesting

blacks being overrepresented in jail and underrepresented in the economy is my fault?

if there is intellect that could be converted into intelligent debate instead of dismissive ad hominim,,, that would be a miraculous change to the usual nonsense circle jerk personal attacks,,,,

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Mon 05/26/14 12:44 AM
Edited by AthenaRose2 on Mon 05/26/14 01:03 AM

There are such things as "Statute of Limitations" for all harms done save murder.


That would be totally incorrect, the definition is in the words, "statutes". Statutes are rules made by man through bills and acts that are codified into some mystical books deemed statutes.

However, outside the civil auspices of man's realm are laws, laws that have no limitations.

Laws based on injury or harm which have no limits in the lives of the parties nor upon the estates of the deceased.


Chart: Statutes of Limitations in All 50 States

www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/statute-of-limitations-state-laws-chart-29941.html


Regardless to our personal open or closed mindedness toward all other cultures every single one of us has the innate human right to be exactly who we are and to believe in and cherish our own ways.

Whether we are white, black, Asian, Latina, Jew, Arab, Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Yankee, Rebel, rich, poor, educated, ignorant, male, female, etc., every culture and human being is inherently different.

Yet instead of respecting the way each other are raised into our cultural ways, whenever a majority doesn't like something about a minority they want to stomp it out or change it to meet with their own ideology and expectations.


That is all very true. Man has all the rights in the world he can dream or think up, right up to the edge of violating another's rights.

Within those rights are man's ability to unlimited contracts, to contract into a culture, to contract into a society. The problem with the world is a failure to understand rights, the first and foremost problem. Because of that there is a mass misunderstanding of contracts.

Contracts are mutual agreements for the benefit of all parties with full disclosure to all. There can be no hidden agendas nor any clauses that benefit one party over another. To have a contract there needs to be a fully understood agreement, an agreed consideration, the gain to each party, and action, the fulfillment.


Contracts that are created in bad faith and are intentionally designed to deceive and deprive someone of their civil rights to compensation and redress do occur!

Where there still exists the master/slave mentality there still remains those who will take advantage of others for their own profit and benefit.

If the master/slave mentality is pervasive throughout the culture there is NOT one person or entity that will go against the master to right any wrongs done to the slave.


The only guarantee on this planet is that you will not escape this life alive. After that all bets are off.

To plead reverse discrimination has no higher moral justification than the one screaming discrimination.

For both it is but a matter of taking responsibility.

Every where I go around town here, there are signs looking for help. True they aren't the CEO jobs but I would doubt the qualifications to obtain those anyway.

And something is always better than nothing.


Facts are facts.

In order to confirm or deny the "facts" indisputable evidence has to exist for or against.

A person doesn't have to utter any type of plea or scream claiming discrimination if and when the majority of the facts prove its existence beyond a reasonable doubt in the minds of normal human beings.

It is what it is. And telling others of its existence doesn't diminish its quality or harm done.

In fact, the truth often ruffles the feathers of the bigots who don't want to admit their own actions are based on hatred, dislike, snobbery, male dominance or chauvinism, prejudice or segregationist attitudes, etc.

And taking responsibility doesn't always work if either or any party involved in a contract refuses to accept and honor their own responsibility so they can escape culpability and deny liability.

Also, regardless to their qualifications if a person has been burned or black listed due to the malicious and bigoted actions of others specifically intent on preventing a person from obtaining employment or any other standard resources that are generally available to the public as a whole, the targeted individual CANNOT find work unless the ban is lifted.

Consider how difficult it might be for a convicted felon to find employment that would aid in their rehabilitation back into society.

The same attitude exists toward anyone who has any type of black mark against their name and reputation.

And for women it's much more difficult to overcome being labeled in any certain derogatory manner because it is a man's world after all.

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Mon 05/26/14 01:16 AM

Ah, so only those poor downtrodden black souls qualify, black men qualify, black women qualify, but all others are forebode.


Exactly!

Black folks don't want to share the playing field or else their claims for reparations might be diminished if others can prove their lives are much worse off and they as a group or gender identity aren't banging down the White House doors demanding equal treatment and compensation for their sacrificial lots in life.