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Topic: 10 commandments- utdated?
TBRich's photo
Fri 08/01/14 12:31 PM

The ten commandments is usually the name given to those commandments as described to Moses for the Israelites whom he had delivered from slavery out of Egypt

found in Exodus,,,


As specified in Exodus 32 and nowhere else.

Now remember, I am not trying to an azz (cuz it comes naturally) but if we are allowed to say it says what I want it to say, then you have a bunch of not very nice people saying it says this and that and I am going to act upon it; for example the curse of Ham ( which if you actually read the story is not Ham) being used to support slavery. So I do ask that people actually read it (Noah took 7 of each animal on the Ark {except the unclean ones]- which is why there is only one of me, etc.) and read it in context.

TBRich's photo
Fri 08/01/14 12:33 PM




I must admit, I have a new neighbor and I have been coveting my neighbor's azz
of course you mean livestock.


Err, why yes, of course that is what I mean-yeah that's the ticket!


Blessed are the cheesemakers

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/01/14 12:34 PM
it is actually referred to throughout the bible, when people are reprimanded for not following the law

it only needs to be written as law ONCE,,,

the constitution is not 'specified' except in the constitution
but it is referred to throughout judicial history,,,

TBRich's photo
Fri 08/01/14 12:47 PM

it is actually referred to throughout the bible, when people are reprimanded for not following the law

it only needs to be written as law ONCE,,,

the constitution is not 'specified' except in the constitution
but it is referred to throughout judicial history,,,


Yes once, in Exodus 32. People confuse the different types of laws in the Torah. Mainly, the Temple ritual laws seem to have taken over much greater import in people's minds today. I always ask- have you been to the Temple lately, no? then don't worry about

dcastelmissy's photo
Fri 08/01/14 12:48 PM


The ten commandments is usually the name given to those commandments as described to Moses for the Israelites whom he had delivered from slavery out of Egypt

found in Exodus,,,


As specified in Exodus 32 and nowhere else.

Now remember, I am not trying to an azz (cuz it comes naturally) but if we are allowed to say it says what I want it to say, then you have a bunch of not very nice people saying it says this and that and I am going to act upon it; for example the curse of Ham ( which if you actually read the story is not Ham) being used to support slavery. So I do ask that people actually read it (Noah took 7 of each animal on the Ark {except the unclean ones]- which is why there is only one of me, etc.) and read it in context.


7 clean animals and 2 of the unclean annals were taken into the Ark if I read the text correctly.
As for the original Ten Commandments Christians were told in the New Testament that they were to love God with all their heart and mind and to love our neighbor as ourselves and this would be summing up the entire original Ten Commandments.
As I understand the curse of Ham it was one of his sons who bore the curse and his name was Canaan who was the father of the tribe which was the Israelites most fierce enemy. JMHO

TBRich's photo
Fri 08/01/14 12:50 PM
I remember working with a man who had mutilated his penis. Why? he was taught it was a sin to touch it, so when he would have to pee, he would pull it out with a pencil, fork, etc. just in order not to touch it

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Fri 08/01/14 12:55 PM
@BRich

WOW! Converting a neighbour! Why didn't I think of such a unique hobby? My occasional woodworking sounds so boringLOL :laughing:
So, how is it going? Did he put one of those "FOR SALE BY THE OWNER" signs yet?rofl

TBRich's photo
Fri 08/01/14 01:42 PM

@BRich

WOW! Converting a neighbour! Why didn't I think of such a unique hobby? My occasional woodworking sounds so boringLOL :laughing:
So, how is it going? Did he put one of those "FOR SALE BY THE OWNER" signs yet?rofl



She is an Iraqi marine vet, a bit too gung ho for this old man. I rather play one, you know play knick knack on a bun with a knick knack patty wack give the dog a bone, this old man is rolling home

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 08/01/14 02:00 PM

easier question, which of mans 'laws' are offensive

Id gander those which make people feel less 'free' to do what they want,,,but that would be a LONG Thread..lol

can you imagine if mans laws could be condensed into just ten?

don't steal
don't kill(illegally, wars and 'self defense' are another question)
,,

I think most people believe we would be fine with just those two,,lol


Actually that one originally read,Thou Shalt Not Murder!

dcastelmissy's photo
Fri 08/01/14 02:05 PM


easier question, which of mans 'laws' are offensive

Id gander those which make people feel less 'free' to do what they want,,,but that would be a LONG Thread..lol

can you imagine if mans laws could be condensed into just ten?

don't steal
don't kill(illegally, wars and 'self defense' are another question)
,,

I think most people believe we would be fine with just those two,,lol


Actually that one originally read,Thou Shalt Not Murder!


Yes, and very few people realize that; sad but true! flowerforyou

TBRich's photo
Fri 08/01/14 02:19 PM


I remember working with a man who had mutilated his penis. Why? he was taught it was a sin to touch it, so when he would have to pee, he would pull it out with a pencil, fork, etc. just in order not to touch it
did it not occur to him that a spoon would have been equally available?


that would have negated the need for self-punishment for his thoughts

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 08/01/14 02:20 PM



easier question, which of mans 'laws' are offensive

Id gander those which make people feel less 'free' to do what they want,,,but that would be a LONG Thread..lol

can you imagine if mans laws could be condensed into just ten?

don't steal
don't kill(illegally, wars and 'self defense' are another question)
,,

I think most people believe we would be fine with just those two,,lol


Actually that one originally read,Thou Shalt Not Murder!


Yes, and very few people realize that; sad but true! flowerforyou

Possibly the reason why people are afraid to defend their lives,and the lives of those dear to them!
Those who changed the Rule did so with clear knowledge what they were doing,but creating docile Sheeple makes them much easier to rule,thus the change in that Commandment!:thumbsup: waving

TBRich's photo
Fri 08/01/14 02:23 PM




easier question, which of mans 'laws' are offensive

Id gander those which make people feel less 'free' to do what they want,,,but that would be a LONG Thread..lol

can you imagine if mans laws could be condensed into just ten?

don't steal
don't kill(illegally, wars and 'self defense' are another question)
,,

I think most people believe we would be fine with just those two,,lol


Actually that one originally read,Thou Shalt Not Murder!


Yes, and very few people realize that; sad but true! flowerforyou

Possibly the reason why people are afraid to defend their lives,and the lives of those dear to them!
Those who changed the Rule did so with clear knowledge what they were doing,but creating docile Sheeple makes them much easier to rule,thus the change in that Commandment!:thumbsup: waving



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He mumbles a prayer and it ends with a smile
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But it won't stop the bleeding or ease the hate

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In the morning they return with tears in their eyes
The stench of death drifts up to the skies
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msharmony's photo
Sat 08/02/14 03:32 AM




easier question, which of mans 'laws' are offensive

Id gander those which make people feel less 'free' to do what they want,,,but that would be a LONG Thread..lol

can you imagine if mans laws could be condensed into just ten?

don't steal
don't kill(illegally, wars and 'self defense' are another question)
,,

I think most people believe we would be fine with just those two,,lol


Actually that one originally read,Thou Shalt Not Murder!


Yes, and very few people realize that; sad but true! flowerforyou

Possibly the reason why people are afraid to defend their lives,and the lives of those dear to them!
Those who changed the Rule did so with clear knowledge what they were doing,but creating docile Sheeple makes them much easier to rule,thus the change in that Commandment!:thumbsup: waving



I think people realize that 'translation' leaves slight grey areas

obviously , mere 'killing' wouldn't be a sin as man had to kill to survive and certain crimes were punishable by death,,so the killing in question was the 'illegal' killing, or murder

which I think has the opposite affect from what is claimed about not 'killing'

in so much that 'sheeple' are too quick to 'defend' with deadly force, as long as the law does not determine it was illegal,, and we are moving to times when the law just might justify anyone's fear as justification for their use of deadly force to kill,,,


scary, because we have ALOT of easily scary people, and quite frankly, a culture that paints certain groups as 'scary' to other groups,,,,inherently

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 08/02/14 03:49 AM





easier question, which of mans 'laws' are offensive

Id gander those which make people feel less 'free' to do what they want,,,but that would be a LONG Thread..lol

can you imagine if mans laws could be condensed into just ten?

don't steal
don't kill(illegally, wars and 'self defense' are another question)
,,

I think most people believe we would be fine with just those two,,lol


Actually that one originally read,Thou Shalt Not Murder!


Yes, and very few people realize that; sad but true! flowerforyou

Possibly the reason why people are afraid to defend their lives,and the lives of those dear to them!
Those who changed the Rule did so with clear knowledge what they were doing,but creating docile Sheeple makes them much easier to rule,thus the change in that Commandment!:thumbsup: waving



I think people realize that 'translation' leaves slight grey areas

obviously , mere 'killing' wouldn't be a sin as man had to kill to survive and certain crimes were punishable by death,,so the killing in question was the 'illegal' killing, or murder

which I think has the opposite affect from what is claimed about not 'killing'

in so much that 'sheeple' are too quick to 'defend' with deadly force, as long as the law does not determine it was illegal,, and we are moving to times when the law just might justify anyone's fear as justification for their use of deadly force to kill,,,


scary, because we have ALOT of easily scary people, and quite frankly, a culture that paints certain groups as 'scary' to other groups,,,,inherently

actually not!
If you compare Jewish writings on the subject there is no doubt that it was,"Thou shalt Not Murder"!
By the very take the Jewish Commandments have on Self-defense!
No gray Area there!

But,God Forbid if one of those Peasants in the Holy Roman Empire would have stood up for himself,and killed in Selfdefense!
It was paramount the Feudal Lords and the Church making sure that wouldn't happen,thus the injunction,"Thou shalt not kill"!

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Sat 08/02/14 04:16 AM
really, amongst all jews , NO DOUBT Huh?

ok

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Sat 08/02/14 07:15 AM

really, amongst all jews , NO DOUBT Huh?

ok


Thumb up! Good one! :laughing:

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Sat 08/02/14 08:26 AM
point! - there is a big difference between killing and murder. i can kill someone who is shooting at my family and that is fine. it is self defense. If on the other hand I go into a liquor store and blast everyone into little quivering pieces, thats murder. , Which i would think every reasonable person can see is wrong. I also can live WITH a gun , and not BY THE GUN, which is an entirely digfferent matter.

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