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Topic: Unarmed man shot, killed by Dallas PD charged at officer
alleoops Joined Sat 08/06/11 Posts: 10832	Tue 08/19/14 07:30 AM Edited by alleoops on Tue 08/19/14 07:36 AM
Unarmed white man shot, killed by Dallas PD charged at officer An off-duty Dallas Police officer shot and killed an unarmed man on Sunday whom police said rushed at the officer. Police identified the officer as Senior Corporal Antonio Hudson, who has worked for the department for seven years. The victim is Andrew Scott Gaynier, 26. The shooting occurred in the 100 block of N. Windomere on Sunday. Police got a call of a man walking down the street making lewd comments to women. Police said the off-duty officer, working on Extended Neighborhood Patrol, responded to the location and followed the suspect while waiting for backup to arrive. Investigators say that's when the suspect then stopped a vehicle with a family inside and tried to get into the vehicle. The officer feared for the safety of the family so police say he gave loud verbal commands for the suspect to move away from the vehicle. Video and witnesses corroborate that Gaynier rushed the officer and Hudson fired his weapon, striking and killing Gaynier. Police are not releasing the video, but say it was recorded on a nearby surveillance camera. No weapon was found with Gaynier. A witness also told police that Hudson told Gaynier to show his hands before the shooting occurred. Hudson is on routine administrative leave while the investigation into the shooting continues. The officer was not injured. The attorney sent FOX 4 a photo of with his 19-month-old son and a statement that reads in part, "Andy was unarmed and shot multiple times by a police officer. This tragic situation is beyond comprehension...at this point we are waiting for the Dallas Police Department to conclude their investigation. Senior Corporal Antonio Hudson, who was uniformed but off-duty on extended neighborhood patrol, went to investigate around 6 p.m. and found a man matching the description stopping a vehicle with a family inside and trying to get in. Gaynier was white, the race of the officer has not been given out of concern it might start whites rioting and looting.

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Tue 08/19/14 07:38 AM
Where's David Duke when we need us an All Sharpie?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 08/19/14 07:40 AM
what is the history between the cops and the citizens of that community? How often do the citizens read or hear about unarmed white people being gunned down by police? I see the comparison, but I think the only similarity is that it was an unarmed person shot by police. looting and rioting is never the right thing but, imho, shooting dead someone that is unarmed rarely is the right thing either,,, especially if one has been trained to defend and paid to protect,, protect should not automatically mean kill that's just my opinion though

Drivinmenutz Joined Wed 11/14/07 Posts: 4290	Tue 08/19/14 08:18 AM
what is the history between the cops and the citizens of that community? How often do the citizens read or hear about unarmed white people being gunned down by police? I see the comparison, but I think the only similarity is that it was an unarmed person shot by police. looting and rioting is never the right thing but, imho, shooting dead someone that is unarmed rarely is the right thing either,,, especially if one has been trained to defend and paid to protect,, protect should not automatically mean kill that's just my opinion though Yes and no. When someone is unarmed the potential threat has decreased. This increases again as the person closes distance since a person who is armed, at point-blank range, has very little advantage over someone who is unarmed. Again, you don't know the level of training the potential threat has. The physical size of the person is also a determining factor as size often indicates potential strength. As a person who has been trained, I can tell you that it is INCREDIBLY foolish to allow a potential threat to reach point-blank range on his/her own terms. Armed or unarmed. If the person is non-compliant and closing the distance quickly, especially if the person has demonstrated erratic, and/or dangerous behavior, they are a high-level threat, and you are in imminent danger.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 08/19/14 08:58 AM Edited by msharmony on Tue 08/19/14 08:57 AM
what is the history between the cops and the citizens of that community? How often do the citizens read or hear about unarmed white people being gunned down by police? I see the comparison, but I think the only similarity is that it was an unarmed person shot by police. looting and rioting is never the right thing but, imho, shooting dead someone that is unarmed rarely is the right thing either,,, especially if one has been trained to defend and paid to protect,, protect should not automatically mean kill that's just my opinion though Yes and no. When someone is unarmed the potential threat has decreased. This increases again as the person closes distance since a person who is armed, at point-blank range, has very little advantage over someone who is unarmed. Again, you don't know the level of training the potential threat has. The physical size of the person is also a determining factor as size often indicates potential strength. As a person who has been trained, I can tell you that it is INCREDIBLY foolish to allow a potential threat to reach point-blank range on his/her own terms. Armed or unarmed. If the person is non-compliant and closing the distance quickly, especially if the person has demonstrated erratic, and/or dangerous behavior, they are a high-level threat, and you are in imminent danger. with all respect, a gun close range is much more deadly than an unarmed person,, however one wishes to justify,,, that person with no weapon is going to have to take a lot more energy and make a lot more effort to KILL, than that person that only needs to pull a trigger.. especially when it is several to one many more options are available than shooting dead,,,

Datwasntme Joined Fri 07/25/14 Posts: 9701	Tue 08/19/14 10:01 AM
lets see the guy is unarmed so rather then use my mace or my billy stick i think i will just shoot him sad or at least shoot him in the leg or arm <shrug>

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 08/19/14 10:08 AM
the kicker is, that the very presence of a gun by the ARMED Person . puts them at more of a risk once the person is upon them (of having it taken away and used upon them, IF They are not trained to prevent it) however, tasers do work to take down people as does mace in the face, and many other options,,there are other options that just will never allow me to understand the kill first mentality

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 08/19/14 10:19 AM
lets see the guy is unarmed so rather then use my mace or my billy stick i think i will just shoot him sad or at least shoot him in the leg or arm <shrug> You aim for the biggest Bodymass! Firearmstraining 101!

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 08/19/14 10:22 AM
what is the history between the cops and the citizens of that community? How often do the citizens read or hear about unarmed white people being gunned down by police? I see the comparison, but I think the only similarity is that it was an unarmed person shot by police. looting and rioting is never the right thing but, imho, shooting dead someone that is unarmed rarely is the right thing either,,, especially if one has been trained to defend and paid to protect,, protect should not automatically mean kill that's just my opinion though Yes and no. When someone is unarmed the potential threat has decreased. This increases again as the person closes distance since a person who is armed, at point-blank range, has very little advantage over someone who is unarmed. Again, you don't know the level of training the potential threat has. The physical size of the person is also a determining factor as size often indicates potential strength. As a person who has been trained, I can tell you that it is INCREDIBLY foolish to allow a potential threat to reach point-blank range on his/her own terms. Armed or unarmed. If the person is non-compliant and closing the distance quickly, especially if the person has demonstrated erratic, and/or dangerous behavior, they are a high-level threat, and you are in imminent danger. with all respect, a gun close range is much more deadly than an unarmed person,, however one wishes to justify,,, that person with no weapon is going to have to take a lot more energy and make a lot more effort to KILL, than that person that only needs to pull a trigger.. especially when it is several to one many more options are available than shooting dead,,, how do you know the Assailant is unarmed until after the fact?

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 08/19/14 10:24 AM Edited by Conrad_73 on Tue 08/19/14 10:27 AM
the kicker is, that the very presence of a gun by the ARMED Person . puts them at more of a risk once the person is upon them (of having it taken away and used upon them, IF They are not trained to prevent it) however, tasers do work to take down people as does mace in the face, and many other options,,there are other options that just will never allow me to understand the kill first mentality yep,Mace has a nice way of dispersing too fast,or blow back in your own Face! Tasers are equally unreliable,until the Assailant is right on you! Exactly where you don't want him!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 08/19/14 10:29 AM
what is the history between the cops and the citizens of that community? How often do the citizens read or hear about unarmed white people being gunned down by police? I see the comparison, but I think the only similarity is that it was an unarmed person shot by police. looting and rioting is never the right thing but, imho, shooting dead someone that is unarmed rarely is the right thing either,,, especially if one has been trained to defend and paid to protect,, protect should not automatically mean kill that's just my opinion though Yes and no. When someone is unarmed the potential threat has decreased. This increases again as the person closes distance since a person who is armed, at point-blank range, has very little advantage over someone who is unarmed. Again, you don't know the level of training the potential threat has. The physical size of the person is also a determining factor as size often indicates potential strength. As a person who has been trained, I can tell you that it is INCREDIBLY foolish to allow a potential threat to reach point-blank range on his/her own terms. Armed or unarmed. If the person is non-compliant and closing the distance quickly, especially if the person has demonstrated erratic, and/or dangerous behavior, they are a high-level threat, and you are in imminent danger. with all respect, a gun close range is much more deadly than an unarmed person,, however one wishes to justify,,, that person with no weapon is going to have to take a lot more energy and make a lot more effort to KILL, than that person that only needs to pull a trigger.. especially when it is several to one many more options are available than shooting dead,,, how do you know the Assailant is unarmed until after the fact? that's what training is for,,,,, if there is no gun pointing at you or in his hands,, there are other options to shooting first,,

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 08/19/14 10:32 AM Edited by Conrad_73 on Tue 08/19/14 10:37 AM
what is the history between the cops and the citizens of that community? How often do the citizens read or hear about unarmed white people being gunned down by police? I see the comparison, but I think the only similarity is that it was an unarmed person shot by police. looting and rioting is never the right thing but, imho, shooting dead someone that is unarmed rarely is the right thing either,,, especially if one has been trained to defend and paid to protect,, protect should not automatically mean kill that's just my opinion though Yes and no. When someone is unarmed the potential threat has decreased. This increases again as the person closes distance since a person who is armed, at point-blank range, has very little advantage over someone who is unarmed. Again, you don't know the level of training the potential threat has. The physical size of the person is also a determining factor as size often indicates potential strength. As a person who has been trained, I can tell you that it is INCREDIBLY foolish to allow a potential threat to reach point-blank range on his/her own terms. Armed or unarmed. If the person is non-compliant and closing the distance quickly, especially if the person has demonstrated erratic, and/or dangerous behavior, they are a high-level threat, and you are in imminent danger. with all respect, a gun close range is much more deadly than an unarmed person,, however one wishes to justify,,, that person with no weapon is going to have to take a lot more energy and make a lot more effort to KILL, than that person that only needs to pull a trigger.. especially when it is several to one many more options are available than shooting dead,,, how do you know the Assailant is unarmed until after the fact? that's what training is for,,,,, if there is no gun pointing at you or in his hands,, there are other options to shooting first,, you really think you could spot if someone had a concealed Knife on them? That is the reason why you don't let an Assailant close in on you! All your "Options" call for the Suspect to be literally eye to eye to you! Not a very smart situation! Can get you killed fast! Dumbest thing to do is closing in on the Cop,instead of the other way around!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 08/19/14 10:40 AM
lol,, so why do communities spend all that money arming cops with mace, billy clubs and tasers if they are so useless next to shooting someone who is 'closing in'?

Dodo_David Joined Fri 08/13/10 Posts: 48926	Tue 08/19/14 10:41 AM
lol,, so why do communities spend all that money arming cops with mace, billy clubs and tasers if they are so useless next to shooting someone who is 'closing in'? What if all police officers aren't armed with tasers?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 08/19/14 10:46 AM
lol,, so why do communities spend all that money arming cops with mace, billy clubs and tasers if they are so useless next to shooting someone who is 'closing in'? What if all police officers aren't armed with tasers? they are still trained ( I have been on tours of the training they undergo) Shooting to kill isn't their first or only option.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 08/19/14 10:49 AM
lol,, so why do communities spend all that money arming cops with mace, billy clubs and tasers if they are so useless next to shooting someone who is 'closing in'? yep,I do wonder!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 08/19/14 10:51 AM
because unlike reactionary, paranoid, joe blow and his civilian lessons they undergo training in de-escalation and take down techniques BESIDES firing the gun,,,

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Tue 08/19/14 10:59 AM
because unlike reactionary, paranoid, joe blow and his civilian lessons they undergo training in de-escalation and take down techniques BESIDES firing the gun,,, so,when are you going to join up?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 08/19/14 11:03 AM
I would never want to have that job there are plenty of others who love that type of authority or the power over the freedom of others or power over the life and death of others and those who want to be the heroes who seek out trouble to stop it IM none of those types of people,,,

Datwasntme Joined Fri 07/25/14 Posts: 9701	Tue 08/19/14 11:28 AM
lets see the guy is unarmed so rather then use my mace or my billy stick i think i will just shoot him sad or at least shoot him in the leg or arm <shrug> You aim for the biggest Bodymass! Firearmstraining 101! yes / no i will not shoot to kill some one , if i don't have to and don't get me wrong i seen when i was in calli a guy get shot by 18 cops all with shot guns and he kept coming for 5 more steps (was pumped on meth) but i have noticed a warning shot or a wounding shot can do a lot more then killing some one (there is no coming back from death )