With all the hate in their hearts, they will never understand.

rambill, I presume most people have racial bias, black and white

racist doesn't mean terrible person, it means product of a racially divisive and segregated history and environment


yep, both blacks and whites and most other americans also have an implicit racial bias,, study after study have shown it

try not to take it too personally

this does not mean that EVERY decision and choice and perspective will be DICTATED by that inherent bias,, many people aknowledege it and work hard to inspect their perceptions and ideas to try to keep that bias from affecting it

but its not an easy task,, and if one is in the minority, it is particularly damaging to them as a group for the majority to unsuccessfully fight that bias,,,,

and also rambill

I personally 'believe' in him because he is a man and a human, and I have watched politics and men in politics long enough to know they are NOT GODS (contrary to the necessary belief of those who chastise his errors so virulently)


I personally, see him as what a president is supposed to be, and I see him as making commendable progress against such a highly critical and guarded set of colleagues and observers,,,

when one carries a car on their back, I give them credit for getting the child out of it,, maybe more so than someone who only had to walk up and open the door,,,

When you look up the words racially divisive and segregationist, this is one of the pictures that come up.

lol,,figures

the three golden figure heads of 'black racism'

will always be Sharpton, Jackson, or Farrakhan

lol

even when they are dead and gone,, the response to discussions about civil rights and racist policy and discrimination will always be countered with

well, what about 'sharpton'...lol



,,,,,,pretty weak,, but not surprising,,

btw rambill
some of those same ones condemning OBama (not you because I don't really have a memory of how you trend on the issue)

are the same ones that worship REAGAN,, and they will talk about our debt as reason to condemn Obama, while forgetting Reagan actually added more to the debt than the presidents before him too,,,


even though, technically, we have not yet hit the double mark of the 10.7 tril debt OBama came in on, so he hasn't even yet earned that criticism either,,,though he may match Reagans failure in that area before it is done

Racism is taught, and plenty of people in the USA were not taught racism.
Sadly, some people are taught to see and hear racism where there isn't any.

racial bias has been taught to MOST americans, if they have any interaction with media or public education on a regular basis


some people are determined to be blind to the racism others see, and deaf to the racism other people hear , when it is there,,,


some have no reason to have to see it or believe it is real,,,

n mabe i live a sheltered life, but i dont see that here, when i was a kid.., YES. i DONT KNOW ANY WHITES THAT DONTLIKE oBAMA BECAUSE OF HIS SKIN PIGMENT, , although i am sure there are some...,I have always judged a person by thier actions. I do know a lot of blacks, and pretty much every one pulls out this race card whenever someone critisizes Obama. I would really like to see them come up with a better argument than that. Anyone who critisizes Obama is a racist, or they are misinformed, or they are swayed by the press, or its bush's fault. everything but where the problem really is.
I also wish Condalisa Rice would run for pres.., here is a candidate who is qualified, and black, and a woman. ( not that i care about the last two, but so many cant get past it.

A basic truth.

how do you know why people feel what they feel rambill? because they may not openly discuss a bias, doesn't mean its not there.. heck , most people aren't even aware of their racial bias,,,,,,

blacks, as a group, 'pretty much ' have a historical reason to suspect that race is a factor in why OBama is scrutinized over the TYPES of things he is scrutinized over, particularly if they SEEM to be things other presidents have done without the same level of scrutinization


especially when he STARTS out his historic presidency with baits about how he is muslim, or not really American and his colleagues vow to make their SOLE job to obstruct him


many black folks would likewise like to see people come up with better arguments as to why they insist this President has set some historical precedent in terms of his mistakes or intentions


why they have singled him out as 'worst', when they cant come up with much of anything that he has done differently than those who came before him


when they have claimed he wants to 'ruin' the country , take away their freedoms, have a welfare state,,,,etc,,,,,,,it SEEMS like a singular and exceptional attack on THIS president


, but that's a matter of personal perception and priorities,,


anyone that questions peoples motives, is somehow 'worshipping' the Presdent, anyone that questions the complaints or supports the President is seen as doing so simply because of his race and their being 'misinformed'

so that works both ways

Its reverse discrimination. Frankly im suprised my post wasent blocked when i said that a lot of blacks are recially biased..... usually you cant cry racism if your white. (EXPECIALLY A WHITE MALE.) its for everyone else. When i graduated from school in '79, i could have had a job with michigan parks dept. The problem was they HAD to hire a black. They already had thier lesbian, thier mexican and thier native american..., The job went unfilled for three years because at that time there was one (1) black family in this area.

would you consider the possibility that race is in fact NOT the issue here? Also he doesent 'want" to ruin the country, He IS ruining the country. the damage he has done with foreign relations is immense. we havent even touched on immigration or guns here. Can you address issues? for example.. how did cash for clunkers help anyone but the car dealers? what am i missing? how anout this exectutive order which will double the price of electricity? how is that good? which chess move am i missing?
How does running up a debt that my grandchilderen will be paying for help? signed confused.

quotas are illegal,, UNLESS There is a legal injunction as a RESULT of proven discrimination,, if your company HAD to hire a black, its because they were proven to discriminate against them and the fact of not having black applicants would have easily prevented such proof from happening,, so maybe you didn't know all the facts when you chose to believe it was 'just' because you are white,, and the job wasn't filled because of 'no blacks in the area'


but, ya know,,, if you really believe white folks have a disadvantage because they are overlooked for jobs due to race,,, that's a perception , we all have them

rambill wrote:

would you consider the possibility that race is in fact NOT the issue here? Also he doesent 'want" to ruin the country, He IS ruining the country. the damage he has done with foreign relations is immense. we havent even touched on immigration or guns here. Can you address issues? for example.. how did cash for clunkers help anyone but the car dealers? what am i missing? how anout this exectutive order which will double the price of electricity? how is that good? which chess move am i missing?
How does running up a debt that my grandchilderen will be paying for help? signed confused.

lots of questions, and my opinions


there are reasons people complain about the president, some are legitimate complaints, some are fueled by racism


How did tax cuts for the rich help anyone but the rich? but was that evidence of the 'ruin of the country'?

clash for clunkers was one of MANY efforts to do something that didn't end up doing much,, IN THE HISTORY OF PRESIDENTS, such efforts have taken place without 'ruining' the country.

You have to be more specific about executive orders, people often present their perception of what the executive order WILL DO, rather than what the executive order states,,

It would be a good thing though, imho, for us to be less dependent on oil and to go more to renewable energy sources,,

running up the debt has never been 'helpful' even when all the PRESIDENTS before him did it


so Im still confused as to what about these things suddenly makes our country 'ruined',,,,,even though they have been happening under prior presidencies as well


,,sign me tired of even trying to understand political dirt slinging and drama,,,,

There are several factories near here, that if you are a mexican, they will send a bus to pick you up, they will provide day care, pay for thier lunch, ect..., but not for the whites. .... ?
Native americans can fish and hunt anywhere, pretty much anytime in michigan. They can also own casinos.
The arabs come here and open stores, because they get a tax break when they open a business.
Mabe its payback for back in the day, huh?
Remember rodney king and the riots? was it really race related? my read is that it was more that people were sick of police brutality... but it always gets painted as a race issue.