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http://www.usaflagsupply.com/upside-down-flag/ Flying the flag upside down is a signal of extreme distress; many did so right after 9/11. It shouldn't been flown upside down as a symbol of protest. Were the Ferguson citizens doing it in protest or as a testament to their extreme distress? No, they are doing it because they are idiots supporting a dead thug. Good riddance. Oh. Did you get that straight from the spokesperson for the group or are you presuming to know what their rationale for hanging the flag upside-down is? In this case, I would have to agree, totally. There seems to be a lot of assumptions and presumptions on this topic. |
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Once you attack a cop and go for his gun, your chances of survival are reduced dramatically. The facts told by the cop have been verified by the evidence in his car. an altercation is not an excuse for murder of someone who has RUN AWAY from the altercation,,, I don't care ones occupation,, once you are RUNNING from a cop,, especially when its KNOWN you are unarmed,, to be shot dead should not be justified Still being a little presumptuous aren't we? |
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there is no CRIME worthy of being SHOT dead that doesn't involve IMMEDIATE potential deadly harm once someone retreats, to shoot them is cowardly and should be a crime pushing someone , stealing, and fighting aren't death penalty crimes ,,those who think they are are just as big a 'thug' as those who commit the crimes,,, Speaking of presumptions, wouldn't this comply in that realm? It does seem that some of the eyewitness testimony that the thug attacked the officer are now being vindicated by forensic evidence. Imagine a whole bunch of liars, like Jesse Jackson and that ilk, trying to provoke riots. |
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Once you attack a cop and go for his gun, your chances of survival are reduced dramatically. The facts told by the cop have been verified by the evidence in his car. an altercation is not an excuse for murder of someone who has RUN AWAY from the altercation,,, I don't care ones occupation,, once you are RUNNING from a cop,, especially when its KNOWN you are unarmed,, to be shot dead should not be justified The forensic evidence has proven the officer to be right. You are now just making s**t up to defend the indefensible. If the evidence proves the officer was telling the truth, which it does, the assumption is that he is telling the truth about the rest of the story where there is no hard evidence also. The officer says the thug charged him so the officer shot him dead. That's the truth. Deal with it. The forensic evidence says Brown was NOT shot in the back. |
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Sure he was running but not until the cop took to fighting for his life.... True...
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there is no CRIME worthy of being SHOT dead that doesn't involve IMMEDIATE potential deadly harm once someone retreats, to shoot them is cowardly and should be a crime pushing someone , stealing, and fighting aren't death penalty crimes ,,those who think they are are just as big a 'thug' as those who commit the crimes,,, Speaking of presumptions, wouldn't this comply in that realm? It does seem that some of the eyewitness testimony that the thug attacked the officer are now being vindicated by forensic evidence. Imagine a whole bunch of liars, like Jesse Jackson and that ilk, trying to provoke riots. the only 'witness' I know of to the struggle at the car who refuted it at any time was the other suspect besides him,, it was conceded that there was FIRST a struggle , BEFORE Brown RAN AWAY what happened AFTER HE RAN AWAY is the issue in dispute and possibly prosecutable,, |
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Sure he was running but not until the cop took to fighting for his life.... True... a fight requires one on one CONTACT,, the running happened AFTER THE FIGHT was over,,,, |
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Once you attack a cop and go for his gun, your chances of survival are reduced dramatically. The facts told by the cop have been verified by the evidence in his car. an altercation is not an excuse for murder of someone who has RUN AWAY from the altercation,,, I don't care ones occupation,, once you are RUNNING from a cop,, especially when its KNOWN you are unarmed,, to be shot dead should not be justified The forensic evidence has proven the officer to be right. You are now just making s**t up to defend the indefensible. If the evidence proves the officer was telling the truth, which it does, the assumption is that he is telling the truth about the rest of the story where there is no hard evidence also. The officer says the thug charged him so the officer shot him dead. That's the truth. Deal with it. The forensic evidence says Brown was NOT shot in the back. wow, so if any part is true, its all true? lol, that clears up a large portion of the dockets in the judicial system then,,, as I said before, what is possibly prosecutable and in dispute is the events AFTER the chase,,,,so that is why there would be reason to lie about THAT PORTION of events its like if someone was committing adultery and then killed the mistress just because they say they committed adultery,,doesn't mean they wont lie about killing the mistress 
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http://www.usaflagsupply.com/upside-down-flag/ Flying the flag upside down is a signal of extreme distress; many did so right after 9/11. It shouldn't been flown upside down as a symbol of protest. Were the Ferguson citizens doing it in protest or as a testament to their extreme distress? So you are definitively declaring it shouldn't be flown upside down and then asking if it should or shouldn't. So which is it? I never declared it shouldn't be flown upside-down. I never asked if it should or it shouldn't be flown upside-down. I said - and provided a citation to a legitimate source to substantiate it - that the flag MAY be flown upside-down as a symbol of extreme distress (as many did after 9/11) and that it is NOT to be flown upside-down as a symbol of protest. And by what authority is there to make a declaration on the actions of another when there is no harm? Just whom would be in the wrong and committing a trespass?
A good way to determine if there was intent to harm and/or if a trespass had been committed, would be to ask the people who are flying the flag upside-down, "Why are you flying the flag upside-down? Is it to show extreme distress? Or, in protest?" And then, to actually listen to their answer. If they say it's to show extreme distress, then they should be heard and dealt with accordingly. If they say to show protest, then they should be heard and dealt with accordingly. One carries legitimacy, the other doesn't. |
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there is no CRIME worthy of being SHOT dead that doesn't involve IMMEDIATE potential deadly harm once someone retreats, to shoot them is cowardly and should be a crime pushing someone , stealing, and fighting aren't death penalty crimes ,,those who think they are are just as big a 'thug' as those who commit the crimes,,, Speaking of presumptions, wouldn't this comply in that realm? It does seem that some of the eyewitness testimony that the thug attacked the officer are now being vindicated by forensic evidence. Imagine a whole bunch of liars, like Jesse Jackson and that ilk, trying to provoke riots. the only 'witness' I know of to the struggle at the car who refuted it at any time was the other suspect besides him,, it was conceded that there was FIRST a struggle , BEFORE Brown RAN AWAY what happened AFTER HE RAN AWAY is the issue in dispute and possibly prosecutable,, There is no issue in dispute, he attacked the officer, grabbed for his gun causing a discharge and then became a belligerent animal. It was the officers duty to restore the peace and that required the animal to be subdued. If anything, the officer should be subjected to additional firearm training as he should have only needed two shots after that not five. |
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Once you attack a cop and go for his gun, your chances of survival are reduced dramatically. The facts told by the cop have been verified by the evidence in his car. an altercation is not an excuse for murder of someone who has RUN AWAY from the altercation,,, I don't care ones occupation,, once you are RUNNING from a cop,, especially when its KNOWN you are unarmed,, to be shot dead should not be justified The forensic evidence has proven the officer to be right. You are now just making s**t up to defend the indefensible. If the evidence proves the officer was telling the truth, which it does, the assumption is that he is telling the truth about the rest of the story where there is no hard evidence also. The officer says the thug charged him so the officer shot him dead. That's the truth. Deal with it. The forensic evidence says Brown was NOT shot in the back. wow, so if any part is true, its all true? lol, that clears up a large portion of the dockets in the judicial system then,,, as I said before, what is possibly prosecutable and in dispute is the events AFTER the chase,,,,so that is why there would be reason to lie about THAT PORTION of events its like if someone was committing adultery and then killed the mistress just because they say they committed adultery,,doesn't mean they wont lie about killing the mistress
This is now just getting utterly ridiculous. A scum bag got blown away, so much better for society. The crime are the race-baiters that see this whole affair as a means to an ends and tried to start riots. But as said previously in this thread, the police contributed a lot to the unrest by their conduct, not in the handling of the officer which in this case is justified, but in the handling of the affair in general and the protestors specifically. |
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So you are definitively declaring it shouldn't be flown upside down and then asking if it should or shouldn't. So which is it? I never declared it shouldn't be flown upside-down. I never asked if it should or it shouldn't be flown upside-down. I said - and provided a citation to a legitimate source to substantiate it - that the flag MAY be flown upside-down as a symbol of extreme distress (as many did after 9/11) and that it is NOT to be flown upside-down as a symbol of protest. Sure you did and what authority, some code. Is that supposed to mean something? Where did they get that authority, I didn't give it to them as I never possessed it in order to give it away. This is a republic, a government of the people, by the people and for the people. It is a government of delegated powers from the people. So if the people do not possess the power, it can never be delegated to the government, so code means absolutely nothing. So if a people wants to fly the flag upside down, that is their right. And when you look at Title 4, Chapter 10: "Any rule or custom pertaining to the display of the flag of the United States of America, set forth herein, may be altered, modified, or repealed, or additional rules with respect thereto may be prescribed, by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, whenever he deems it to be appropriate or desirable; and any such alteration or additional rule shall be set forth in a proclamation." So if a servant can modify it at will, the masters may do what they please, it doesn't mean anything. And by what authority is there to make a declaration on the actions of another when there is no harm? Just whom would be in the wrong and committing a trespass?
A good way to determine if there was intent to harm and/or if a trespass had been committed, would be to ask the people who are flying the flag upside-down, "Why are you flying the flag upside-down? Is it to show extreme distress? Or, in protest?" And then, to actually listen to their answer. If they say it's to show extreme distress, then they should be heard and dealt with accordingly. If they say to show protest, then they should be heard and dealt with accordingly. One carries legitimacy, the other doesn't. So then you are saying that you would be the definitive authority and able to pass judgement on another based on some unknown factors. So your premise is based on Malum Prohibitum, your desire to prohibit that which is to your dislike. Seems like that is exactly what happened and nothing good became of that confrontation. |
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Sure he was running but not until the cop took to fighting for his life.... True... a fight requires one on one CONTACT,, the running happened AFTER THE FIGHT was over,,,, An arrest requires one to not to resist, and when one resist with deadly violence, they normally end up dead. |
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Once you attack a cop and go for his gun, your chances of survival are reduced dramatically. The facts told by the cop have been verified by the evidence in his car. an altercation is not an excuse for murder of someone who has RUN AWAY from the altercation,,, I don't care ones occupation,, once you are RUNNING from a cop,, especially when its KNOWN you are unarmed,, to be shot dead should not be justified In all your replies to this incident have you ever once mentioned the poor terrified shop keeper that this thug had just robbed. Actually, there are several threads about this topic. In some of the earlier discussion the details of the strongarm shop robbery were discussed in detail. There is video of the event which shows Brown to be nothing but a common thug. I was in Orlando when it happened and it was constantly on the news there. I know it's a different state but it was all over Fox news. I felt sorry for the poor shop keeper and that's why I mentioned him. I honestly couldn't believe the fuss over a thug. I remember the head of police who was trying to calm the people down, he seemed like a good guy but he had some job on his hands, a black guy he was. Unfortunately I have been in that guys shoes on multiple occasions over the years, since my job is to catch those people. 9 times out of 10 they try to run, after over 17 years of doing what I do I can count on hand how many people turn around and come back to fight. Luckily I'm not some little old man but none the less it can be a scary situation even for someone like me who is used to taking people down and put them in handcuffs. I can only imagine how upset and terrified that little old man was that he accosted not to mention when he went for the officers gun. |
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Fights broke out between Ferguson protesters and Rams fans on Sunday, after protesters flying an upside-down American flag gathered outside of the Edward Jones Dome in St. Louis and began chanting for the arrest of police officer Darren Wilson. “Indict. Convict. Send that killer cop to jail. The whole damn system is guilty as hell.” These actions incited a handful of riled up fans, who began to argue with protestors. According to one fan, violence ensued once he confronted the protesters for their treatment of the flag: “Seeing the flag fly upside down and I don’t take too kindly to that, I don’t think that’s appropriate and I went up and said ‘why are [you] flying the flag upside down?’ A young lady came up and spit in my face. I [took a] step back from her and next thing I know, I have a fist in my face.” At one point, the American flag was even used as a weapon: Another fan said she was knocked to the ground and received a black eye: “I didn’t even know what happened, something hit me and I was on the ground.” As a result of the scuffle, police arrested a woman and her 17-year-old daughter. More than two months after the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri, there is still unrest in Ferguson and greater St. Louis. Adamant supporters on both sides seem to be ensuring that this unrest doesn’t end any time soon. http://www.ijreview.com/2014/10/189747-game-capture-flag-turns-violent-ferguson-protestors-rams-fans/ All of those criminals defending a Ferrell who was committing serious crimes. Shows the criminal mentality of these animals. Committing a violent robbery and attacking a cop I guess is ok in these idiots mind. Just because the punk was black he is a victim. Gotta love the criminal mentality.
The action of the criminal element, the police that attacked the rioters as they protested was purely part of the evil of the police state. However, on the other hand to stage these protest over one that had little respect of the rights of others is a travesty in itself. If anyone deserved to end up shot, it was that young man. If it hadn't of been this incident, it would have been another. That young man was destined for a bullet from somewhere. But the actions of the police in response to the protests was in and of itself another pure criminal action. The protestors had a right to have their voices heard, so long as they remained peaceful in doing so. And they were, right up to the point the police determined they somehow had some mysterious power to demand the protestors were an unlawful assembly. Because of these police actions, now there can be no truth. From what now seems an actually innocent officer, there can be no justice, just a lynching. It is a pure shame that the police state acts of others can result in a misjustice while those that are guilty get to walk free. When are the people going to wake up and demand their rights? When are they going to start holding those responsible liable for their actions? One thing for sure, it isn't going to happen on it's own. They police were responding with force to rioting and looting, not protesting. |
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there is no CRIME worthy of being SHOT dead that doesn't involve IMMEDIATE potential deadly harm once someone retreats, to shoot them is cowardly and should be a crime pushing someone , stealing, and fighting aren't death penalty crimes ,,those who think they are are just as big a 'thug' as those who commit the crimes,,, Speaking of presumptions, wouldn't this comply in that realm? It does seem that some of the eyewitness testimony that the thug attacked the officer are now being vindicated by forensic evidence. Imagine a whole bunch of liars, like Jesse Jackson and that ilk, trying to provoke riots. the only 'witness' I know of to the struggle at the car who refuted it at any time was the other suspect besides him,, it was conceded that there was FIRST a struggle , BEFORE Brown RAN AWAY what happened AFTER HE RAN AWAY is the issue in dispute and possibly prosecutable,, The eye witness was wanted for lying to law enforcement officials and making false statements and has changed his story at least six times so far. No credibility. |
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So then you are saying that you would be the definitive authority and able to pass judgement on another based on some unknown factors. So your premise is based on Malum Prohibitum, your desire to prohibit that which is to your dislike. Seems like that is exactly what happened and nothing good became of that confrontation. Nahhhh...I said no such thing. You have fallen victim to a current plague running rampant on the internet: believing that I am The Person in Charge of Everything. I am not an owner/employee of American Flag Supply, whose website I provided for the citation. While I AM a powerful woman, I am NOT the person/one of the persons who wrote the U.S. Codes, nor the ones which apply to the flag. To date, I have never served as Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces, so I've not been able to modify The Codes, either. Thank you for mistaking me for one of them, though; it's quite the compliment. 
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Fights broke out between Ferguson protesters and Rams fans on Sunday, after protesters flying an upside-down American flag gathered outside of the Edward Jones Dome in St. Louis and began chanting for the arrest of police officer Darren Wilson. “Indict. Convict. Send that killer cop to jail. The whole damn system is guilty as hell.” These actions incited a handful of riled up fans, who began to argue with protestors. According to one fan, violence ensued once he confronted the protesters for their treatment of the flag: “Seeing the flag fly upside down and I don’t take too kindly to that, I don’t think that’s appropriate and I went up and said ‘why are [you] flying the flag upside down?’ A young lady came up and spit in my face. I [took a] step back from her and next thing I know, I have a fist in my face.” At one point, the American flag was even used as a weapon: Another fan said she was knocked to the ground and received a black eye: “I didn’t even know what happened, something hit me and I was on the ground.” As a result of the scuffle, police arrested a woman and her 17-year-old daughter. More than two months after the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Missouri, there is still unrest in Ferguson and greater St. Louis. Adamant supporters on both sides seem to be ensuring that this unrest doesn’t end any time soon. http://www.ijreview.com/2014/10/189747-game-capture-flag-turns-violent-ferguson-protestors-rams-fans/ All of those criminals defending a Ferrell who was committing serious crimes. Shows the criminal mentality of these animals. Committing a violent robbery and attacking a cop I guess is ok in these idiots mind. Just because the punk was black he is a victim. Gotta love the criminal mentality.
The action of the criminal element, the police that attacked the rioters as they protested was purely part of the evil of the police state. However, on the other hand to stage these protest over one that had little respect of the rights of others is a travesty in itself. If anyone deserved to end up shot, it was that young man. If it hadn't of been this incident, it would have been another. That young man was destined for a bullet from somewhere. But the actions of the police in response to the protests was in and of itself another pure criminal action. The protestors had a right to have their voices heard, so long as they remained peaceful in doing so. And they were, right up to the point the police determined they somehow had some mysterious power to demand the protestors were an unlawful assembly. Because of these police actions, now there can be no truth. From what now seems an actually innocent officer, there can be no justice, just a lynching. It is a pure shame that the police state acts of others can result in a misjustice while those that are guilty get to walk free. When are the people going to wake up and demand their rights? When are they going to start holding those responsible liable for their actions? One thing for sure, it isn't going to happen on it's own. They police were responding with force to rioting and looting, not protesting. Actually not, they ignored the rioting and looting. |
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So then you are saying that you would be the definitive authority and able to pass judgement on another based on some unknown factors. So your premise is based on Malum Prohibitum, your desire to prohibit that which is to your dislike. Seems like that is exactly what happened and nothing good became of that confrontation. Nahhhh...I said no such thing. You have fallen victim to a current plague running rampant on the internet: believing that I am The Person in Charge of Everything. I am not an owner/employee of American Flag Supply, whose website I provided for the citation. While I AM a powerful woman, I am NOT the person/one of the persons who wrote the U.S. Codes, nor the ones which apply to the flag. To date, I have never served as Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces, so I've not been able to modify The Codes, either. Thank you for mistaking me for one of them, though; it's quite the compliment.
Sure did and I personally do not believe you to be in charge of absolutely anything, and I mean absolutely. And your declaratory statement have put you into complete ownership of Title 4, chapter 1, Clause 8(a). Remember you were going to listen and correct their actions based on that "code". But I find Title 4, Chapter 3, Clause 73: In case of the prevalence of a contagious or epidemic disease at the seat of government, the President may permit and direct the removal of any or all the public offices to such other place or places as he shall deem most safe and convenient for conducting the public business. Wonder where he has in mind? |
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Nahhhh...I said no such thing. You have fallen victim to a current plague running rampant on the internet: believing that I am The Person in Charge of Everything. I am not an owner/employee of American Flag Supply, whose website I provided for the citation. While I AM a powerful woman, I am NOT the person/one of the persons who wrote the U.S. Codes, nor the ones which apply to the flag. To date, I have never served as Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Forces, so I've not been able to modify The Codes, either. Thank you for mistaking me for one of them, though; it's quite the compliment.
Sure did and I personally do not believe you to be in charge of absolutely anything, and I mean absolutely. And your declaratory statement have put you into complete ownership of Title 4, chapter 1, Clause 8(a). Remember you were going to listen and correct their actions based on that "code". But I find Title 4, Chapter 3, Clause 73: In case of the prevalence of a contagious or epidemic disease at the seat of government, the President may permit and direct the removal of any or all the public offices to such other place or places as he shall deem most safe and convenient for conducting the public business. Wonder where he has in mind? You keep quoting me to make some of your posts, almost as if you are responding to something I've said, and then you run off on your own tangents which have nothing to do with the price of tea in China, nor anything I've written. Quite confusing, as a matter of fact...so, in the future if you'd like to respond to something I've actually written, feel free to quote me. If you're simply looking for a soapbox, you don't need my assistance to put you up on it.
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