Topic: Is time travel possible?
no1phD's photo
Sun 04/05/15 02:04 PM
I am beginning to believe. the universe is surrounded by a large gravity well.... the universe is pizza dough.. our hands are the gravity well... as we stretch and pull the pizza dough... into the shape of a pizza.... with our gravity well hands...lol.. the outer crust is pulled into the gravity well.... so the closer you get to... to this outer abyss... this surrounding gravity well..... the faster we go.... time slows down but we get ...stretched out.... broken apart into little more than molecules..... nucleus, atoms... until there is nothing left.. of the universe....... but this gravity well keeps pulling and pulling creating friction and heat........ starting the whole process over again....ok.mybe not.lol

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mightymoe's photo
Sun 04/05/15 02:20 PM

I am beginning to believe. the universe is surrounded by a large gravity well.... the universe is pizza dough.. our hands are the gravity well... as we stretch and pull the pizza dough... into the shape of a pizza.... with our gravity well hands...lol.. the outer crust is pulled into the gravity well.... so the closer you get to... to this outer abyss... this surrounding gravity well..... the faster we go.... time slows down but we get ...stretched out.... broken apart into little more than molecules..... nucleus, atoms... until there is nothing left.. of the universe....... but this gravity well keeps pulling and pulling creating friction and heat........ starting the whole process over again....ok.mybe not.lol

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i don't think time slows down one way or the other...JMO tho...

no1phD's photo
Sun 04/05/15 02:27 PM
Why..

mightymoe's photo
Sun 04/05/15 02:36 PM

Why..


because time is just a unit of measurement, like an inch or a mile... just a numeral we invented...

no1phD's photo
Sun 04/05/15 02:49 PM
Edited by no1phD on Sun 04/05/15 02:50 PM
. yes but it's still a tool made for measuring... a pretty good tool at that too.. . but yes are one-dimensional way of looking at things.
... may not apply...... but along those lines I think ur brain would probably just implode..lol..
. not able to process such data..

kazza_nz's photo
Thu 04/09/15 04:06 AM
Edited by kazza_nz on Thu 04/09/15 04:06 AM
Has anybody thought about if you stand on one side of a time line and step across time has changed by our definition to another time zone hence basic time travel lol.

kazza_nz's photo
Thu 04/09/15 04:10 AM



If principles of language were actually taught, you would be familiar with a Two Element Metaphysics.

It was being developed by some early Greeks. In the simple.

If you define a thing as some material in some form or shape, then,

The two elements of a thing are form and material.

You will find your bodies environmental acquisition systems are divided the same way, some abstract form, others abstract material.

It follows that neither form nor material are things.

It also follows that one cannot predicate of an element, as Plato and Aristotle stated.

i.e. You cannot predicate of an element, which is not a thing. i.e. You cannot predicate of time, nor space, etc, you can only apply boundaries to these materials to make things.

Predication is the inverse function of abstraction.




I think what he's getting at is if time wasn't constrained by our minds into a unit of measure there is a possibility of mind over mater and we could possibly traverse time at a thought and live in a moment or all moments at the same time. Or I could be completely wrong and thats not what he meant lol.

mightymoe's photo
Fri 04/10/15 06:27 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Fri 04/10/15 06:36 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umfjGNlxWcw

by Josh Richardson

Everything exists in the present moment and it's a fundamental principle of the Universe that many of our scientists are still trying to grasp. Time does not actually exist and Quantum Theory proves it. There are things that are closer to you in time, and things that are further away, just as there are things that are near or far away in space. But the idea that time flows past you is just as absurd as the suggestion that space does.

The trouble with time started a century ago, when Einstein's special and general theories of relativity demolished the idea of time as a universal constant. One consequence is that the past, present, and future are not absolutes. Einstein's theories also opened a rift in physics because the rules of general relativity (which describe gravity and the large-scale structure of the cosmos) seem incompatible with those of quantum physics (which govern the realm of the tiny).

According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, there is no way to specify events that everyone can agree happen simultaneously. Two events that are both "now" to you will happen at different times for anyone moving at another speed. Other people will see a different now that might contain elements of yours - but equally might not.

The result is a picture known as the block universe: the universe seen from that impossible vantage point outside space and time. You can by all means mark what you think is "now" with a red dot, but there is nothing that distinguishes that place from any other, except that you are there. Past and future are no more physically distinguished than left and right.

The equations of physics do not tell us which events are occurring right now - they are like a map without the "you are here" symbol. The present moment does not exist in them, and therefore neither does the flow of time. Additionally, Albert Einstein's theories of relativity suggest not only that there is no single special present but also that all moments are equally real.

Some four decades ago, the renowned physicist John Wheeler, then at Princeton, and the late Bryce DeWitt, then at the University of North Carolina, developed an extraordinary equation that provides a possible framework for unifying relativity and quantum mechanics. But the Wheeler-�DeWitt equation has always been controversial, in part because it adds yet another, even more baffling twist to our understanding of time.

"One finds that time just disappears from the Wheeler-DeWitt equation," says Carlo Rovelli, a physicist at the University of the Mediterranean in Marseille, France. "It is an issue that many theorists have puzzled about. It may be that the best way to think about quantum reality is to give up the notion of time that the fundamental description of the universe must be timeless."

One might say that when we better understand consciousness we will better understand time. Consciousness is the formless, invisible field of energy of infinite dimension and potentiality, the substrate of all existence, independent of time, space, or location, of which it is independent yet all inclusive and all present. It encompasses all existence beyond all limitation, dimension, or time, and registers all events, no matter how seemingly miniscule, such as even a fleeting thought. The interrelationship between time and consciousness from the human perspective is limited, when in fact it is unlimited.
There Is No Such Thing As Time

Julian Barbour's solution to the problem of time in physics and cosmology is as simply stated as it is radical: there is no such thing as time.

"If you try to get your hands on time, it's always slipping through your fingers," says Barbour. "People are sure time is there, but they can't get hold of it. My feeling is that they can't get hold of it because it isn't there at all." Barbour speaks with a disarming English charm that belies an iron resolve and confidence in his science. His extreme perspective comes from years of looking into the heart of both classical and quantum physics. Isaac Newton thought of time as a river flowing at the same rate everywhere. Einstein changed this picture by unifying space and time into a single 4-D entity. But even Einstein failed to challenge the concept of time as a measure of change. In Barbour's view, the question must be turned on its head. It is change that provides the illusion of time. Channeling the ghost of Parmenides, Barbour sees each individual moment as a whole, complete and existing in its own right. He calls these moments "Nows."

"As we live, we seem to move through a succession of Nows," says Barbour, "and the question is, what are they?" For Barbour each Now is an arrangement of everything in the universe. "We have the strong impression that things have definite positions relative to each other. I aim to abstract away everything we cannot see (directly or indirectly) and simply keep this idea of many different things coexisting at once. There are simply the Nows, nothing more, nothing less."

Barbour's Nows can be imagined as pages of a novel ripped from the book's spine and tossed randomly onto the floor. Each page is a separate entity existing without time, existing outside of time. Arranging the pages in some special order and moving through them in a step-by-step fashion makes a story unfold. Still, no matter how we arrange the sheets, each page is complete and independent. As Barbour says, "The cat that jumps is not the same cat that lands." The physics of reality for Barbour is the physics of these Nows taken together as a whole. There is no past moment that flows into a future moment. Instead all the different possible configurations of the universe, every possible location of every atom throughout all of creation, exist simultaneously. Barbour's Nows all exist at once in a vast Platonic realm that stands completely and absolutely without time.

Our illusion of the past arises because each Now contains objects that appear as "records" in Barbour's language. "The only evidence you have of last week is your memory. But memory comes from a stable structure of neurons in your brain now. The only evidence we have of the Earth's past is rocks and fossils. But these are just stable structures in the form of an arrangement of minerals we examine in the present. The point is, all we have are these records and you only have them in this Now."

Time, in this view, is not something that exists apart from the universe. There is no clock ticking outside the cosmos. Most of us tend to think of time the way Newton did: "Absolute, true and mathematical time, of itself, and from its own nature, flows equably, without regard to anything external." But as Einstein proved, time is part of the fabric of the universe. Contrary to what Newton believed, our ordinary clocks don't measure something that's independent of the universe.

The word "Mechanics" used in the term "Quantum Mechanics" indicates a machine like predictable, buildable, knowable thing. The Quantum Universe in which we live, whether we want to accept it or not, may seem on the surface to be mechanical and linear but it is not. It is probably better described as an infinite multitude of possible linear actions. If we must give this still mystical process a name lets call it "Quantum Ecology" rather than "Quantum Mechanics" because it is built from within it's self. Everything comes out of the invisible in the same way as any living organism does.

In quantum mechanics all particles of matter and energy can also be described as waves. And waves have an unusual property: An infinite number of them can exist in the same location. If time and space are one day shown to consist of quanta, the quanta could all exist piled together in a single dimensionless point.

The current predominant world paradigm is that if a thing can not be explained, detailed, analyzed and documented by linear scientific thought processes then it's mumbo jumbo. If you have a spiritual explanation for human existence then your crazy, you're in dream land. The scientific mindset says everything in the universe must be capable of explanation either now or at some point in the future by scientific analytic methods alone. Science says "In the absence of scientific proof it's not worth the time discussing. If it can not be put in a box with a label then forget it. Go figure out what box you can put it in, label it, then come back to us and we'll see if we agree". Can you see the limitations that this puts on human development?

Quantum particle behavior can not be explained in terms of science alone, that is to say, it can not be explained in terms of the mind because the mind by it's nature functions on the basis that reality consists of things, things that can be broken down into individual bits of information and explained in a linear mechanical fashion. To realize how flawed this mindset is you must first accept that this is a relative world in which we live and on the conscious level we interact with other human beings and the rest of the universe in a linear fashion. This is the nature of the mind. We must go beyond the mind to access the answers.

According to physics, your life is described by a series of slices of your worm; you as a baby, you as you ate breakfast this morning, you as you started reading this sentence and so on, with each slice existing motionless in its respective time. We generate time's flow by thinking that the same self that ate breakfast this morning also started reading this sentence.

So do we really need to mourn time's passing? Einstein, for one, drew solace from the view of the timeless universe he had helped to create, consoling the family of a recently deceased friend: "Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.

metalwing's photo
Sun 04/12/15 05:43 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umfjGNlxWcw

by Josh Richardson

Everything exists in the present moment and it's a fundamental principle of the Universe that many of our scientists are still trying to grasp. Time does not actually exist and Quantum Theory proves it. There are things that are closer to you in time, and things that are further away, just as there are things that are near or far away in space. But the idea that time flows past you is just as absurd as the suggestion that space does.

The trouble with time started a century ago, when Einstein's special and general theories of relativity demolished the idea of time as a universal constant. One consequence is that the past, present, and future are not absolutes. Einstein's theories also opened a rift in physics because the rules of general relativity (which describe gravity and the large-scale structure of the cosmos) seem incompatible with those of quantum physics (which govern the realm of the tiny).

According to Einstein's special theory of relativity, there is no way to specify events that everyone can agree happen simultaneously. Two events that are both "now" to you will happen at different times for anyone moving at another speed. Other people will see a different now that might contain elements of yours - but equally might not.

The result is a picture known as the block universe: the universe seen from that impossible vantage point outside space and time. You can by all means mark what you think is "now" with a red dot, but there is nothing that distinguishes that place from any other, except that you are there. Past and future are no more physically distinguished than left and right.

The equations of physics do not tell us which events are occurring right now - they are like a map without the "you are here" symbol. The present moment does not exist in them, and therefore neither does the flow of time. Additionally, Albert Einstein's theories of relativity suggest not only that there is no single special present but also that all moments are equally real.

Some four decades ago, the renowned physicist John Wheeler, then at Princeton, and the late Bryce DeWitt, then at the University of North Carolina, developed an extraordinary equation that provides a possible framework for unifying relativity and quantum mechanics. But the Wheeler-�DeWitt equation has always been controversial, in part because it adds yet another, even more baffling twist to our understanding of time.

"One finds that time just disappears from the Wheeler-DeWitt equation," says Carlo Rovelli, a physicist at the University of the Mediterranean in Marseille, France. "It is an issue that many theorists have puzzled about. It may be that the best way to think about quantum reality is to give up the notion of time that the fundamental description of the universe must be timeless."

One might say that when we better understand consciousness we will better understand time. Consciousness is the formless, invisible field of energy of infinite dimension and potentiality, the substrate of all existence, independent of time, space, or location, of which it is independent yet all inclusive and all present. It encompasses all existence beyond all limitation, dimension, or time, and registers all events, no matter how seemingly miniscule, such as even a fleeting thought. The interrelationship between time and consciousness from the human perspective is limited, when in fact it is unlimited.
There Is No Such Thing As Time

Julian Barbour's solution to the problem of time in physics and cosmology is as simply stated as it is radical: there is no such thing as time.

"If you try to get your hands on time, it's always slipping through your fingers," says Barbour. "People are sure time is there, but they can't get hold of it. My feeling is that they can't get hold of it because it isn't there at all." Barbour speaks with a disarming English charm that belies an iron resolve and confidence in his science. His extreme perspective comes from years of looking into the heart of both classical and quantum physics. Isaac Newton thought of time as a river flowing at the same rate everywhere. Einstein changed this picture by unifying space and time into a single 4-D entity. But even Einstein failed to challenge the concept of time as a measure of change. In Barbour's view, the question must be turned on its head. It is change that provides the illusion of time. Channeling the ghost of Parmenides, Barbour sees each individual moment as a whole, complete and existing in its own right. He calls these moments "Nows."

"As we live, we seem to move through a succession of Nows," says Barbour, "and the question is, what are they?" For Barbour each Now is an arrangement of everything in the universe. "We have the strong impression that things have definite positions relative to each other. I aim to abstract away everything we cannot see (directly or indirectly) and simply keep this idea of many different things coexisting at once. There are simply the Nows, nothing more, nothing less."

Barbour's Nows can be imagined as pages of a novel ripped from the book's spine and tossed randomly onto the floor. Each page is a separate entity existing without time, existing outside of time. Arranging the pages in some special order and moving through them in a step-by-step fashion makes a story unfold. Still, no matter how we arrange the sheets, each page is complete and independent. As Barbour says, "The cat that jumps is not the same cat that lands." The physics of reality for Barbour is the physics of these Nows taken together as a whole. There is no past moment that flows into a future moment. Instead all the different possible configurations of the universe, every possible location of every atom throughout all of creation, exist simultaneously. Barbour's Nows all exist at once in a vast Platonic realm that stands completely and absolutely without time.

Our illusion of the past arises because each Now contains objects that appear as "records" in Barbour's language. "The only evidence you have of last week is your memory. But memory comes from a stable structure of neurons in your brain now. The only evidence we have of the Earth's past is rocks and fossils. But these are just stable structures in the form of an arrangement of minerals we examine in the present. The point is, all we have are these records and you only have them in this Now."

Time, in this view, is not something that exists apart from the universe. There is no clock ticking outside the cosmos. Most of us tend to think of time the way Newton did: "Absolute, true and mathematical time, of itself, and from its own nature, flows equably, without regard to anything external." But as Einstein proved, time is part of the fabric of the universe. Contrary to what Newton believed, our ordinary clocks don't measure something that's independent of the universe.

The word "Mechanics" used in the term "Quantum Mechanics" indicates a machine like predictable, buildable, knowable thing. The Quantum Universe in which we live, whether we want to accept it or not, may seem on the surface to be mechanical and linear but it is not. It is probably better described as an infinite multitude of possible linear actions. If we must give this still mystical process a name lets call it "Quantum Ecology" rather than "Quantum Mechanics" because it is built from within it's self. Everything comes out of the invisible in the same way as any living organism does.

In quantum mechanics all particles of matter and energy can also be described as waves. And waves have an unusual property: An infinite number of them can exist in the same location. If time and space are one day shown to consist of quanta, the quanta could all exist piled together in a single dimensionless point.

The current predominant world paradigm is that if a thing can not be explained, detailed, analyzed and documented by linear scientific thought processes then it's mumbo jumbo. If you have a spiritual explanation for human existence then your crazy, you're in dream land. The scientific mindset says everything in the universe must be capable of explanation either now or at some point in the future by scientific analytic methods alone. Science says "In the absence of scientific proof it's not worth the time discussing. If it can not be put in a box with a label then forget it. Go figure out what box you can put it in, label it, then come back to us and we'll see if we agree". Can you see the limitations that this puts on human development?

Quantum particle behavior can not be explained in terms of science alone, that is to say, it can not be explained in terms of the mind because the mind by it's nature functions on the basis that reality consists of things, things that can be broken down into individual bits of information and explained in a linear mechanical fashion. To realize how flawed this mindset is you must first accept that this is a relative world in which we live and on the conscious level we interact with other human beings and the rest of the universe in a linear fashion. This is the nature of the mind. We must go beyond the mind to access the answers.

According to physics, your life is described by a series of slices of your worm; you as a baby, you as you ate breakfast this morning, you as you started reading this sentence and so on, with each slice existing motionless in its respective time. We generate time's flow by thinking that the same self that ate breakfast this morning also started reading this sentence.

So do we really need to mourn time's passing? Einstein, for one, drew solace from the view of the timeless universe he had helped to create, consoling the family of a recently deceased friend: "Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.


Moe,

You left out one of the most important facts concerning the article you posted, the fact that the author is ...

"Josh Richardson is blogger, healer, and a constant pursuer of the natural state of human consciousness."

Most articles of this type are only philosophical in nature. Einstein's equations are hard science and have proven themselves at every testing. Your writer did not understand the quote by Einstein at the end of the article and used it out of context because it "appears" to back up his essay. I did a search on him and all I could find was ...

Joshua Richardson is a student of Film Studies at the University of Kansas.

Making definitive statements about science being wrong does not mean one understands anything about science. This "attack syndrome" has been going on since real science started.

When I first started posting here what seems like many years ago, I pointed out that "M theory" was the current version of physics being taught in universities. It mostly still is with extrapolations more or less added by the professor at any given major university. M theory or Branes (short for membranes) is a multi dimensional concept that explains why Einstein's Special Relativity and Quantum Theory are NOT incompatible. The mathematical use of dimensions explains the interaction of energy and matter. If no math is used, it really is not science. Einstein's equations are what allows us to build GPS systems, map the universe, and understand how gravity warps time.

I have seven years of physics education. There are many in physics who would love to "take down" Einstein. No one has come close.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 04/12/15 10:17 AM


Moe,

You left out one of the most important facts concerning the article you posted, the fact that the author is ...

"Josh Richardson is blogger, healer, and a constant pursuer of the natural state of human consciousness."

Most articles of this type are only philosophical in nature. Einstein's equations are hard science and have proven themselves at every testing. Your writer did not understand the quote by Einstein at the end of the article and used it out of context because it "appears" to back up his essay. I did a search on him and all I could find was ...

Joshua Richardson is a student of Film Studies at the University of Kansas.

Making definitive statements about science being wrong does not mean one understands anything about science. This "attack syndrome" has been going on since real science started.

When I first started posting here what seems like many years ago, I pointed out that "M theory" was the current version of physics being taught in universities. It mostly still is with extrapolations more or less added by the professor at any given major university. M theory or Branes (short for membranes) is a multi dimensional concept that explains why Einstein's Special Relativity and Quantum Theory are NOT incompatible. The mathematical use of dimensions explains the interaction of energy and matter. If no math is used, it really is not science. Einstein's equations are what allows us to build GPS systems, map the universe, and understand how gravity warps time.

I have seven years of physics education. There are many in physics who would love to "take down" Einstein. No one has come close.


On the reverse side, if people are inventing a mathematical formula to prove something that doesn't have a lot of common sense behind it, the wouldn't be real science either...


since all the math they use with time isn't based on a real particle, but as a unit of measure, then it is all flawed... time is the only unit of measurement they decided can be changed to suit their needs...

looking for a way to move between the stars has always been a fantasy, so people invent ways in their minds to see a way to travel these vast distances...

"photons that move outside of time"... you can't see how silly that sounds?

no photo
Tue 04/14/15 08:00 AM
The reason that the twin who travels into outerspace ages more slowly than the one who stays on earth is due to the speed they travel. Time does not flow at the same rate for people travelling at different speeds but in before the difference is big enough to notice one of them has to be going at a good proportion of the speed of light. By the way this is NOT science fiction. it is a real effect that has to be taken into account by such things as the GPS system.

metalwing's photo
Tue 04/14/15 08:26 AM



Moe,

You left out one of the most important facts concerning the article you posted, the fact that the author is ...

"Josh Richardson is blogger, healer, and a constant pursuer of the natural state of human consciousness."

Most articles of this type are only philosophical in nature. Einstein's equations are hard science and have proven themselves at every testing. Your writer did not understand the quote by Einstein at the end of the article and used it out of context because it "appears" to back up his essay. I did a search on him and all I could find was ...

Joshua Richardson is a student of Film Studies at the University of Kansas.

Making definitive statements about science being wrong does not mean one understands anything about science. This "attack syndrome" has been going on since real science started.

When I first started posting here what seems like many years ago, I pointed out that "M theory" was the current version of physics being taught in universities. It mostly still is with extrapolations more or less added by the professor at any given major university. M theory or Branes (short for membranes) is a multi dimensional concept that explains why Einstein's Special Relativity and Quantum Theory are NOT incompatible. The mathematical use of dimensions explains the interaction of energy and matter. If no math is used, it really is not science. Einstein's equations are what allows us to build GPS systems, map the universe, and understand how gravity warps time.

I have seven years of physics education. There are many in physics who would love to "take down" Einstein. No one has come close.


On the reverse side, if people are inventing a mathematical formula to prove something that doesn't have a lot of common sense behind it, the wouldn't be real science either...


since all the math they use with time isn't based on a real particle, but as a unit of measure, then it is all flawed... time is the only unit of measurement they decided can be changed to suit their needs...

looking for a way to move between the stars has always been a fantasy, so people invent ways in their minds to see a way to travel these vast distances...

"photons that move outside of time"... you can't see how silly that sounds?


It's your post that sounds silly. There isn't anyone in real science that is "inventing" equations to make proofs. It doesn't work that way. You measure what you can see happening, and then try to match the observation with a formula that predicts the event. You then try to find a similar event to predict with the formula. Time laspe photography over years using infrared light from otherwise hidden stars at the center of our galaxy have shown us the super massive black hole that was only a theory. Einstein's math was proven out.

This type of event has happened over and over for a century proving Einstein at every turn. Time is an integral part of space and is just as flexible. You don't seem to have a problem thinking space exists but you don't grasp that time is part of the same thing (space/time) and both are relative to each other (hence the theory of Relativity) and both are flexible.

Gravity bends space and slows time. Speed slows time and exists both inside and outside of space.(space can expand!) Speed is relative to being inside the universe and outside the universe. The speed of objects inside the universe have a speed relative to outside the universe even if they are measured in the same spot! (the universe is expanding).

The measurement of space changes with your position and perspective BECAUSE TIME IS AN INTEGRAL PART.

One way to help understand space/time is to understand the expansion of the universe. Two objects which are limited to movement at the speed of light can be moving apart at several multiples of the speed of light. The reason this great speed is possible is that in space, they think they are moving at less than the speed of light but the actual speed of the universe expanding is added to the distance between the two objects. There is no speed limit to space expanding.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 04/14/15 09:58 AM




Moe,

You left out one of the most important facts concerning the article you posted, the fact that the author is ...

"Josh Richardson is blogger, healer, and a constant pursuer of the natural state of human consciousness."

Most articles of this type are only philosophical in nature. Einstein's equations are hard science and have proven themselves at every testing. Your writer did not understand the quote by Einstein at the end of the article and used it out of context because it "appears" to back up his essay. I did a search on him and all I could find was ...

Joshua Richardson is a student of Film Studies at the University of Kansas.

Making definitive statements about science being wrong does not mean one understands anything about science. This "attack syndrome" has been going on since real science started.

When I first started posting here what seems like many years ago, I pointed out that "M theory" was the current version of physics being taught in universities. It mostly still is with extrapolations more or less added by the professor at any given major university. M theory or Branes (short for membranes) is a multi dimensional concept that explains why Einstein's Special Relativity and Quantum Theory are NOT incompatible. The mathematical use of dimensions explains the interaction of energy and matter. If no math is used, it really is not science. Einstein's equations are what allows us to build GPS systems, map the universe, and understand how gravity warps time.

I have seven years of physics education. There are many in physics who would love to "take down" Einstein. No one has come close.


On the reverse side, if people are inventing a mathematical formula to prove something that doesn't have a lot of common sense behind it, the wouldn't be real science either...


since all the math they use with time isn't based on a real particle, but as a unit of measure, then it is all flawed... time is the only unit of measurement they decided can be changed to suit their needs...

looking for a way to move between the stars has always been a fantasy, so people invent ways in their minds to see a way to travel these vast distances...

"photons that move outside of time"... you can't see how silly that sounds?


It's your post that sounds silly. There isn't anyone in real science that is "inventing" equations to make proofs. It doesn't work that way. You measure what you can see happening, and then try to match the observation with a formula that predicts the event. You then try to find a similar event to predict with the formula. Time laspe photography over years using infrared light from otherwise hidden stars at the center of our galaxy have shown us the super massive black hole that was only a theory. Einstein's math was proven out.

This type of event has happened over and over for a century proving Einstein at every turn. Time is an integral part of space and is just as flexible. You don't seem to have a problem thinking space exists but you don't grasp that time is part of the same thing (space/time) and both are relative to each other (hence the theory of Relativity) and both are flexible.

Gravity bends space and slows time. Speed slows time and exists both inside and outside of space.(space can expand!) Speed is relative to being inside the universe and outside the universe. The speed of objects inside the universe have a speed relative to outside the universe even if they are measured in the same spot! (the universe is expanding).

The measurement of space changes with your position and perspective BECAUSE TIME IS AN INTEGRAL PART.

One way to help understand space/time is to understand the expansion of the universe. Two objects which are limited to movement at the speed of light can be moving apart at several multiples of the speed of light. The reason this great speed is possible is that in space, they think they are moving at less than the speed of light but the actual speed of the universe expanding is added to the distance between the two objects. There is no speed limit to space expanding.


what did they tell Galileo when he purposed the earth wasn't at the center of the universe? they told him that was silly as well...i'm just saying look outside the mainstream box, just to accept something because the math "fits" doesn't make it right...or maybe it is right, but checking and thinking doesn't hurt...

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Tue 04/14/15 01:01 PM

Holy Mother Of God!:laughing:


LOL!! Crazy

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Thu 04/16/15 10:28 PM
I think mightymoe beat me to it, but time was/is an arbitrary unit of measurement invented by man. That being said, I don't care how fast you go, a minute is a minute, an hour is an hour.

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Fri 04/17/15 09:28 AM

I think mightymoe beat me to it, but time was/is an arbitrary unit of measurement invented by man. That being said, I don't care how fast you go, a minute is a minute, an hour is an hour.


i agree, they don't change what the length of a mile is because of light speed, but time can be slowed or sped up... when someone can tell me what time is, what it's made of to be able to change, then i will be able to get on board with this...

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Sat 05/02/15 03:37 PM

If yes, then how? I cannot understand the process, especially the twin paradox. Why one twin is getting older faster than the other one who travels to the outerspace ?


NO, because there is no such thing as Time, the future and past lives in human mind past as memory and future as imagination. In reality only present exist. If you disappear so goes the past and future, only present remains.

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Sun 05/03/15 11:17 AM
maybe the universal frequencies speed up the faster anything goes... all atoms have a natural vibration, or frequency, and if it changes according to velocity, the object that is speeding up changes the natural frequency. maybe if, in a quantum level, they all change simultaneously to make the appearance of "time" changing...

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Fri 05/08/15 10:06 AM
I think it's only possible in our memory. When we think about the past. Time is important to people who have busy schedules. It's not so important for someone who lives their life as a hermit. I don't have to go to sleep at night. I could go to sleep ANY time of the day. It's just that other people accept certain times of the day, to do certain things. Everything revolves around time.

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Fri 05/08/15 10:18 AM

I think it's only possible in our memory. When we think about the past. Time is important to people who have busy schedules. It's not so important for someone who lives their life as a hermit. I don't have to go to sleep at night. I could go to sleep ANY time of the day. It's just that other people accept certain times of the day, to do certain things. Everything revolves around time.


exactly, one of the many reasons i say "time" is just in peoples heads... we all have our own version of what time is or isn't, since we all experience it differently...