Twist, twist, twist, spin, spin, spin. Will the truth ever be let in?

Really, shall we name names? Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown come to mind, but then how can they be thugs, they are black. And if you live by violence and are black, I guess that changes the meaning of a thug.

And you felt so wrong I'm sure you made a banner and immediately ran into the street to protest.

Ah, your rancor finally instills a moment of truth.

correction, I don't defend thugs, I defend 'victims' who are not restricted to just the perfect law abiding citizens


I felt it just as wrong for them to shoot the white boy who answered his fathers door and was shot

I felt it just as wrong for a citizen AFTER robbers had run from his house to shoot and kill one

I felt it just as wrong for a citizen AFTER being instructed that police were coming and not to pursue, to follow his neighbors robbers outside and kill them



so, no , its not about racism, its about LIFE MATTERING, even impoverished lives, even minority lives, even non law abiding lives even if that life has stolen, or bullied, or trespassed,,,,,,

its a life that matters, particularly a young and still developing life,,,,


the THUGS, in my opinion, are those that keep promoting the idea that it somehow shouldn't matter,,,,

lol

not worth talking to internet 'thugs',, their reasoning is beyond reproach to their own self appointed superiority,,,,

The grand jury did the right thing. Honest people will accept that fact.

ALL of the crap posted by EVERYONE who defended the thug with lies about "his hands were in the air in surrender" and "he was murdered!" while the grand jury was deliberating contributed to the looting and rioting.

Those should be ashamed. The National Bar Association is just showing it's level of racism.

This story was never about racism. It was about a cop shooting a thug.

you should be ashamed of that assessment

basically it promotes an idea that in the 'land of the free' if people act out illegally its the fault of those who were using their freedom of expression LEGALLY,,

if someone now goes out and assassinates Bill Cosby , will that too be the fault of the alleged victims?

this story was about EXCESSIVE FORCE and EXCESSIVE PENALTY , which happens far too often in impoverished communities, which are disproportionately black communities

no, by definition of anyone breaking a law (which is most people , though they wont admit, in this land of laws),, they were both 'thugs

one because he engaged in smoking weed(which is illegal)

and the other because he stole (Which is illegal) and bullied


what that had to do with their being killed is irrelevant, being that Treyvon was not killed in the act of smoking weed and smoking weed is not a death penalty offense

and Brown was not killed IN THE ACT of a robbery, and robbery is not a death penalty offense

and Brown was not killed IN THE ACT of an altercation with police, which WOULD be a potential death penalty offense


therefore, as imperfect as their young lives and choices were, yes, I DO FEEL upset by their being gunned down,,,,,

as I do with any of the young lives I hear about, as I posted back with the example of the white robbers who were killed running away and the Mexican robbers who were killed trying to get away

but perhaps its only worth addressing or noticing if I happen to be commenting about black folks?

perhaps the problem shouldn't be seen as whether I get upset about young black lives (and others) that are lost but that others don't find any need to get upset about ANY of their lives, and least of all those who are black,,,

I hear they are going to rename Michael to Horst!

I just hope they start seeking solutions to improve police conduct,,,


as well as community relations and conditions,,,

Actually, it was you who repeatedly used the word "murder" in your posts when nothing of the sort happened.

Since when is it ok to incite to riot?

This story is about a cop who killed a thug who tried to kill him.

All this BS about "EXCESSIVE FORCE and EXCESSIVE PENALTY" is just another of a long list of lies to justify unjustly accusing the cop of murder.

There is NEVER an admission that all the crap about the "hands in the air" and "shot in the back" were just pure and simple lies.

Every single thug, black, white, or whatever, that pulls the stunt that Brown pulled should get his azz shot off.

perception is an amazing thing

I have responded to what other said, yet , once again, it is perceived that I said it or have somehow paid special attention or drawn special or repetitive attention to it,,,

a quick control f right now will prove to you that I have not once said anything about 'murder' except in quoting someone elses post,,,



its never ok to incite to riot, but you are confusing inciting with freedom of expression,,,,

let me share one definition

As used in this chapter, the term “to incite a riot”, or “to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot”, includes, but is not limited to, urging or instigating other persons to riot, but shall not be deemed to mean the mere oral or written (1) advocacy of ideas or (2) expression of belief, not involving advocacy of any act or acts of violence or assertion of the rightness of, or the right to commit, any such act or acts.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2102


this story is about a cop who killed a 'thug' who was unarmed but whom the cop CLAIMED tried to kill him

same cop who CLAIMED he had been hit so hard he thought another punch would kill him,,,


this story is about whether just because a cop says it its true and whether threat (Which is part of a cops PAID position) is justification by itself to take lives without any de escalation and when 'threat' is actually threat as opposed to overreaction,,,

this story is about ALL LIVES Mattering and not just those who have the right to use their gun,,,

there wont be an 'admission' that hands in the air was bs because there is no proof that it didn't happen that way

people confuse 'consistent with' as 'rules out',,,,,

Im disappointed but not surprised to hear the internet thuggery which boasts of the support of gunning down' thugs',,,,

By 'this story' do you mean a specific article referenced earlier in the thread, or the larger Ferguson story?

Because if you mean the latter, I can't agree. The story that I keep hearing from people irl, who wilfully ignore the facts, are the lies as told by Dorian and augmented by others. The story of a innocent gentle giant who was a victim of an unprovoked physical attacked, and who was shot down in cold blood by a maniac cop while in the midst of trying to surrender to him.

This is the story which motivates many to protest, to say 'hands up don't shoot', to declare that the system is unjust, etc.

Sure, there are a few people out there who are mad because they think that a cop should be more like a robot, and should be able to control a situation and use *exactly* the level of force required at each instant....

.... but it seems to me that most of the angry 'justice for brown' people are not actually angry about Wilsons failure to fine tune his use of force, they are angry because they believe the dorian-esque lies.

I don't declare or agree that he was a 'gentle giant' and I really don't care as that is not the point. He wasn't required to be 'gentle' and his size is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT

the disputed and troubling possibility that he had gone into surrender mode and was STILL KILLED is what poses much concern, grief, aggravation....


what causes many to say 'hands up don't shoot' is not JUST this story but the string of stories like it where people in an array of detailed encounters with police have been gunned down even though at the time of that decision there were other solutions , solutions that we see exercised REPEATEDLY with other people,,,


what causes people to say 'hands up don't shoot' is the inherent association that americans , including those with guns, and those with badges, have between black males and 'life threatening' behavior,,, which always justifies their use of the deadliest force available,,,


this was not JUST about Michael Brown, anymore than divorces are JUST ABOUT That last argument,, this is an event that occurred due to a CULMINATION of events,,,, and especially in the particular community where this happened,,,

some will never understand that and will choose instead to be caught up only on whether the victim was law abiding, small, or 'gentle'

Actually, Brown's size is absolutely relevant, because it played a role in his decision to assault a police officer.

based on what is that proven?

do we know for a fact who assaulted whom? the officer had a mark that could have been a rash , and Brown had several bullets,,,

apparently his SIZE didn't make him too strong since a virtual life threatening array of punches only left a 1 and one half inch RASH on the officers face,,,

like I said, his SIZE (when he has run over a hundred yards away from an Initial confrontation) became irrelevant

(once that altercation evolved into an attempted escape)

If you don't know then it would just be a waste of time explaining it.

But here, the Washington Post has encapsulated it very nicely. The physical evidence in the Michael Brown case supported the officer (updated with DNA evidence}

But what the hey you probably know somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody that saw the whole thing and physical evidence shouldn't be that important anyway, should it?

And now because of hundreds of idiots that believe protest with some thug as a hero, involves the right to burn and pillage, there are many families in Ferguson that have had their lives destroyed.

Thugs, the victims are the beings they destroy. And you care less about all those others, they are but convenient because of the thugs. How many threads have you started over the thugs? And not one over the others....

It should seem so from the vast volume of information released. When that criminal claiming to be the thugs mother's ME agrees with the physical evidence of the ME, sort of displaces doubt.

So anyone that debases your frivolous spin is an internet thug but thugs that act in a criminal manner are victims.

Glad to see you clarify your outlook on matters in general so openly.