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Topic: big brother, modern era...
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Mon 02/09/15 09:11 AM
Why worry about Big Brother?

It's your big Samsung TV that's watching you. Oh, and listening to you.

That seems to be the conclusion from reading the privacy small print offered by the company. (Samsung's motto: TV has never been this smart.)

It concerns the voice-recognition feature, vital for everyone who finds pressing a few buttons on their remote far too tiresome.

The wording, first spotted by the Daily Beast, first informs you that the company may "capture voice commands and associated texts so that we can provide you with Voice Recognition features and evaluate and improve the features."

This is almost understandable. It's a little like every single customer service call, supposedly recorded to make your next customer service call far, far more enjoyable.

However, the following words border on the numbing: "Please be aware that if your spoken words include personal or other sensitive information, that information will be among the data captured and transmitted to a third party through your use of Voice Recognition."

We are NOT having your mother here this weekend, next weekend or ANY weekend!

I'm pregnant and it's not yours.

The possibilities curdle in the mind. So much so that I have contacted Samsung to ask how broad this policy might be and what third parties might be informed of your personal conversations. (I would have just shouted at my SmartTV to get comment, but it isn't a Samsung.)

A Samsung spokeswoman told me: "Samsung takes consumer privacy very seriously. In all of our Smart TVs we employ industry-standard security safeguards and practices, including data encryption, to secure consumers' personal information and prevent unauthorized collection or use."

But what might be authorized and by whom?

Samsung's spokeswoman continued: " Should consumers enable the voice recognition capability, the voice data consists of TV commands, or search sentences, only. Users can easily recognize if the voice recognition feature is activated because a microphone icon appears on the screen."

Yes, we must now look for little microphone icons to check whether we're being listened to.

As for the third parties mentioned in the privacy policy, Samsung explained it to me like this: "Samsung does not retain voice data or sell it to third parties. If a consumer consents and uses the voice recognition feature, voice data is provided to a third party during a requested voice command search. At that time, the voice data is sent to a server, which searches for the requested content then returns the desired content to the TV."

One imagines this is simply one more small step for mankind toward ultimate electronic envelopment, which some see as a very good thing.

Your Nest and other devices will, of course, capture so many of your domestic predilections too. This is about making the Internet of Things merely one more thing in making your life easier, lazier and seemingly less private.

Clearly, this isn't the only option for those intent on a SmartTV. You can disable the full panoply and stick to a series of already-defined voice commands. However, this still brings with it stipulations such as "While Samsung will not collect your spoken word, Samsung may still collect associated texts and other usage data so that we can evaluate the performance of the feature and improve it."

Alright, you cry, I'll switch voice-recognition data off altogether. This will result in "You may disable Voice Recognition data collection at any time by visiting the 'settings' menu. However, this may prevent you from using all of the Voice Recognition features."

As Samsung's spokesperson explained to me: "Voice recognition, which allows the user to control the TV using voice commands, is a Samsung Smart TV feature, which can be activated or deactivated by the user. The TV owner can also disconnect the TV from the Wi-Fi network."

You might imagine that other SmartTV manufacturers would have similar controls and stipulations. If a product can listen and record something, it's likely it will.

So I went to Philips SmartTVs and could only find a general privacy notice, with no specific information relating to SmartTVs. LG's privacy policy again is general, with no apparent specific information relating to SmartTVs and their potential.

I have contacted both companies to ask whether there is a more detailed supplement that makes their TVs capabilities clear.

LG was, however, embroiled in a privacy controversy in 2013, when its SmartTVs were accused of knowing too much. The company promised to change its policies.
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At the heart of all this is, of course, trust. The best and only defense against intrusion from the likes of Google to Samsung is this: "We don't really care about your private life. We just want your data, so that we can make money from it."

It's inevitable that the more data that we put out, the more will be recorded and the more will be known about us by machines which are in the charge of people.

We have all agreed to this. We click on "I agree" with no thought of consequences, only of our convenience.

It isn't just your TV that will listen and record. Soon, it'll be everything that has a digital connection.

This is our digital bed. We lie in it willingly.

http://www.cnet.com/news/samsungs-warning-our-smart-tvs-record-your-living-room-chatter/#ftag=YHF65cbda0

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Mon 02/09/15 09:15 AM
Oh No...!

My T.V. is watching me back? scared

mightymoe's photo
Mon 02/09/15 09:21 AM

Oh No...!

My T.V. is watching me back? scared

listening, anyway... soon to be watching

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 02/09/15 09:29 AM

Oh No...!

My T.V. is watching me back? scared


Silly Humans, haven't you ever watched "The Kentucky Fried Movie"?

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Mon 02/09/15 09:30 AM
Okay, I don't talk to my T.V. much, anyways. sad2

mightymoe's photo
Mon 02/09/15 09:33 AM

Okay, I don't talk to my T.V. much, anyways. sad2


thats a good thing...

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Mon 02/09/15 09:33 AM
The Kentucky Fried movie...?

Must of been produced by Davidben1.

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Mon 02/09/15 09:38 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Mon 02/09/15 09:39 AM

SMILE! YOU'RE ON CANDID CAMERA!

So much for the 4th amendment and the Constitution/Bill of Rights in general

And the idiot sheeple sleep asleep

messi_is_a_tim_1888's photo
Mon 02/09/15 09:40 AM

The Kentucky Fried movie...?

Must of been produced by Davidben1.
I bet he's (SEA)N it? laugh laugh laugh

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Mon 02/09/15 09:43 AM
:laughing: Hey Messy Tim, You back from the land of BoOUZO?

messi_is_a_tim_1888's photo
Mon 02/09/15 09:47 AM
Naw, it's raining here Sheik, so me and the missus are on the laptops, in the hotel room, as my kid is sleeping just now. Nearly 8pm over here! drinker

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Mon 02/09/15 10:12 AM
The Greeks are big on Ouzo.

The dryer, the better!

Tim's wife----> drinks <-----and Tim, in Greece on a rainy day

messi_is_a_tim_1888's photo
Mon 02/09/15 10:16 AM

The Greeks are big on Ouzo.

The dryer, the better!

Tim's wife----> drinks <-----and Tim, in Greece on a rainy day
Ouzo is alright, but i prefer Sambuca Sheik, or my all time favourite Drambuie. Class! bigsmile drinker

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Mon 02/09/15 10:23 AM
I think it's Liquorice and Ever-Clear mixed together.

Don't introduce it to Kids or they'll all be unconscience when You get back to them!

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Mon 02/09/15 10:51 AM
Edited by DavidCommaGeek on Mon 02/09/15 10:52 AM
Silly Humans, haven't you ever watched "The Kentucky Fried Movie"?


I literally just watched that for the first time a couple days ago. That sequence was just about the funniest one in the whole movie.

Another very good reason to not have a TV in the house. Thankfully, none of my other devices have cameras or microphones which cannot be disabled or circumvented.

FEAR THE ALL-POWERFUL, ALL-SEEING TECHNOLOGY! ... until you slap a sticky-note over the lens of your webcam to block it...
Complex, far-reaching problems... simple solutions.

Dodo_David's photo
Tue 02/10/15 11:37 AM
From DigitalTrends.com: You can stop whispering: Your Samsung Smart TV isn't spying on you

... this business about an army of eavesdropping TVs is flat-out irresponsible reporting, loosely rooted in ignorance and imagination.

Argo's photo
Tue 02/10/15 11:46 AM
Orwell was right.....the thought-police are on their way now...

mysticalview21's photo
Tue 02/10/15 11:51 AM


Oh No...!

My T.V. is watching me back? scared

listening, anyway... soon to be watching



and your cell phones and web ... ck this movie out ...
was thrilling and interesting ... Enemy of the State...

Rock's photo
Tue 02/10/15 11:56 AM
Some days, I wonder if it'd be worth it, to run a haberdashery....

I foresee a rush on tinfoil hats.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 02/10/15 01:13 PM

From DigitalTrends.com: You can stop whispering: Your Samsung Smart TV isn't spying on you

... this business about an army of eavesdropping TVs is flat-out irresponsible reporting, loosely rooted in ignorance and imagination.



everyone believes what they believe...samsung flat out said they were doing it, and here you are saying they are not....

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