Topic: Clarifying Institutional Racism
Dodo_David's photo
Thu 03/12/15 06:20 AM
To start a brouhaha, just mention institutional racism, and watch the sparks start flying. That topic is debated in part because people have different ideas as to what institutional racism is.

Here is the definition of "institutional racism" given by the Aspen Institute: "Institutional racism refers to the policies and practices within and across institutions that, intentionally or not, produce outcomes that chronically favor, or put a racial group at a disadvantage."

According to this definition, institutional racism can occur even if there is no intent to produce an outcome that favors one race over another. Institutional racism can occur even if members of an institution aren't individually racist.

As stated by the American Psychological Association, "Policies which result in unequal outcomes for individuals of different races can also be considered a form of institutional racism." As the National Association of Social Workers defines it, institutional racism "is the combination of polices, practices, or procedures embedded in bureaucratic structure that systematically lead to unequal outcomes for groups of people."

Institutional racism doesn't necessarily imply that it is a phenomenon limited to only one racial group. For example, institutional racism is clearly seen in the modern-day existence of all-black fraternities and sororities. During an era in which racial integration is supposed to be the desired norm, such fraternities and sororities appear to contradict the principle that "all men are created equal". These days, an organization for blacks only is just as racist as an organization for whites only. Whenever people say or imply that they don't want to have you as one of their members because you aren't the same race as them, racism has reared its ugly head.

Sometimes, people aren't aware of the non-verbal messages that they send out to others of different races. For example, when a fraternity boasts about being the only modern-day fraternity to originate in the antebellum South, outsiders might interpret that boast to mean that the fraternity is proud to have a racist past, because plenty of people equate the antebellum South with racism. The same is true whenever a fraternity makes the Confederate battle flag one of its symbols. Fraternity members may say that they are racially inclusive, but their symbols may give others the opposite impression, resulting in others avoiding pledging that fraternity, in turn resulting in few people of other races being in that fraternity.

Even the behavior of an organization can give a racist message. This happens when an organization holds a party that promotes a racial stereotype.

Likewise, when an an organization advertises itself as being a black organization, the message given is that non-blacks aren't welcome in that organization or that non-blacks should stay away. The Black Entertainment Television network, for example, might have a larger audience (hence, better ratings) if it had a name that wasn't race-specific.

If one wants to see cases of institutional racism in politics, then one merely needs to look at the Democrat policies that keep minority children trapped in poorly-performing schools, the Democrat regulations that prevent minority entrepreneurs from starting their own businesses, the Democrat-promoted laws that drive up the unemployment rate among minorities, the Democrat philosophy which says that minorities can't obtain photo IDs for themselves and can't survive life unless the government is constantly acting as their nanny.

Some of the same people who complain about institutional racism also support those who create it. Ironic isn't it?

2469nascar's photo
Thu 03/12/15 07:23 AM
WOW DAVE. never hred of all that. butt of course were i come from we don't have that prob.black white brown red, its all good. seems like thats a big city thing i guess?

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 03/12/15 09:30 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 03/12/15 09:34 AM
http://conservativetribune.com/white-students-banned-school/

ALERT: White Students BANNED From School Event Because of Their Race.Where's Sharpton?

Imagine a school hosting a forum entitled White Lives Matter, and then imagine the school barring all black students from attending.

Not stop imagining, because the exact opposite scenario occurred late last month at the Illinois-based Oak Park and River Forest High School, where white students were literally prohibited from attending a Black Lives Matter forum.

The principal, Nathaniel Rouse, argued that it is better for black students to talk about racial issues only among themselves, so that they are able to express themselves fully and safely.

I found it has been far easier for me to talk about my experiences with racism with individuals that look like me,he said. I still struggle myself with talking about my experiences with people who don't look like me.

This is reportedly known as the affinity group method.

Furthermore, Rouse expressed his hope of hosting similar events in the future for other minorities, including Latinos and Asians. The irony is that, all the while, he clamored that he's not trying to be exclusive.

Funny way to show it.

Regardless, parents are mortified that a school that prides itself on diversity and inclusion would resort to such non-inclusive tactics, reported Opposing Views.

The high school responded to this outrage with a news release that touted its commitment to improving communications in the future by hosting other racial affinity groups.

Would it be fair to ask whether the mission of improving communications between the races might be more fruitful were ALL THE RACES to be included in the discussion?

Here's another question where the heck is Al Sharpton while this obvious racial discrimination is going on, huh?

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/12/15 11:04 AM

To start a brouhaha, just mention institutional racism, and watch the sparks start flying. That topic is debated in part because people have different ideas as to what institutional racism is.

Here is the definition of "institutional racism" given by the Aspen Institute: "Institutional racism refers to the policies and practices within and across institutions that, intentionally or not, produce outcomes that chronically favor, or put a racial group at a disadvantage."

According to this definition, institutional racism can occur even if there is no intent to produce an outcome that favors one race over another. Institutional racism can occur even if members of an institution aren't individually racist.

As stated by the American Psychological Association, "Policies which result in unequal outcomes for individuals of different races can also be considered a form of institutional racism." As the National Association of Social Workers defines it, institutional racism "is the combination of polices, practices, or procedures embedded in bureaucratic structure that systematically lead to unequal outcomes for groups of people."

Institutional racism doesn't necessarily imply that it is a phenomenon limited to only one racial group. For example, institutional racism is clearly seen in the modern-day existence of all-black fraternities and sororities. During an era in which racial integration is supposed to be the desired norm, such fraternities and sororities appear to contradict the principle that "all men are created equal". These days, an organization for blacks only is just as racist as an organization for whites only. Whenever people say or imply that they don't want to have you as one of their members because you aren't the same race as them, racism has reared its ugly head.

Sometimes, people aren't aware of the non-verbal messages that they send out to others of different races. For example, when a fraternity boasts about being the only modern-day fraternity to originate in the antebellum South, outsiders might interpret that boast to mean that the fraternity is proud to have a racist past, because plenty of people equate the antebellum South with racism. The same is true whenever a fraternity makes the Confederate battle flag one of its symbols. Fraternity members may say that they are racially inclusive, but their symbols may give others the opposite impression, resulting in others avoiding pledging that fraternity, in turn resulting in few people of other races being in that fraternity.

Even the behavior of an organization can give a racist message. This happens when an organization holds a party that promotes a racial stereotype.

Likewise, when an an organization advertises itself as being a black organization, the message given is that non-blacks aren't welcome in that organization or that non-blacks should stay away. The Black Entertainment Television network, for example, might have a larger audience (hence, better ratings) if it had a name that wasn't race-specific.

If one wants to see cases of institutional racism in politics, then one merely needs to look at the Democrat policies that keep minority children trapped in poorly-performing schools, the Democrat regulations that prevent minority entrepreneurs from starting their own businesses, the Democrat-promoted laws that drive up the unemployment rate among minorities, the Democrat philosophy which says that minorities can't obtain photo IDs for themselves and can't survive life unless the government is constantly acting as their nanny.

Some of the same people who complain about institutional racism also support those who create it. Ironic isn't it?


you missed the most important part

"Policies which result in unequal outcomes for individuals of different races "


all black fraternities dont create any unequal outcome SYSTMATICALLY because most fraternities already are primarily or exclusively white


other than that attributing all the ails to democrats is nice attempt at controversial nonsense,, but the thread should be entertaining,,lol

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 03/12/15 11:39 AM
attributing all the ails to democrats is nice attempt at controversial nonsense


I know of some black columnists who would agree with me about Democrat policies.

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Thu 03/12/15 01:55 PM
I think if the whites would just let go the racial fighting, and behave in non racial ways that promote racial inclusion the problem would solve itself eventually. Don't expect minorities to solve a problem that was created by whites. Whites are responsible for solving the injustices they create. And I'm white so I'm included, if I can get that so can others.

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Thu 03/12/15 02:19 PM

I think if the whites would just let go the racial fighting, and behave in non racial ways that promote racial inclusion the problem would solve itself eventually. Don't expect minorities to solve a problem that was created by whites. Whites are responsible for solving the injustices they create. And I'm white so I'm included, if I can get that so can others.


i blame obama and the democrats...

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Thu 03/12/15 02:32 PM
I just blame the white man. The white man needs to stop shifting the blame, stand his ground and say oops, we messed up big time and now we are seeing the after effects generations later. It is to be expected and we need to do more than just tolerate the healing process. We need to try to make it right. The more good we do for minorities the faster they can get on with life. It would be good for society, since they aren't going anywhere..

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Thu 03/12/15 02:37 PM
Don't expect
minorities to solve a problem that was created
by whites.
What about those MILLIONS of minorities that didnt seem to find any problem, got an education, didnt get wrapped up in criminal activities, decided not to have children until they could afford it, and basically decided to work hard, shake the haters off, and become successful?

mightymoe's photo
Thu 03/12/15 02:40 PM

I just blame the white man. The white man needs to stop shifting the blame, stand his ground and say oops, we messed up big time and now we are seeing the after effects generations later. It is to be expected and we need to do more than just tolerate the healing process. We need to try to make it right. The more good we do for minorities the faster they can get on with life. It would be good for society, since they aren't going anywhere..


then go help the blacks out and see what that gets ya...

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Thu 03/12/15 02:45 PM
Edited by Estelle79 on Thu 03/12/15 02:50 PM
Let's not argue about the details. Don't go to a black neighborhood and start asking for trouble. Don't be a fool. Don't blame the minorities for what they haven't been able to accomplish so far, give them a break. Just do little things to make it better and not worse that's all.

Honestly it doesn't matter what, like send a minority a floral arrangement for example. That's not going to get you killed and it could bring a smile to someone's face.

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Thu 03/12/15 02:49 PM
Edited by funkyfranky on Thu 03/12/15 02:50 PM

To start a brouhaha, just mention institutional racism, and watch the sparks start flying. That topic is debated in part because people have different ideas as to what institutional racism is.

Here is the definition of "institutional racism" given by the Aspen Institute: "Institutional racism refers to the policies and practices within and across institutions that, intentionally or not, produce outcomes that chronically favor, or put a racial group at a disadvantage."

According to this definition, institutional racism can occur even if there is no intent to produce an outcome that favors one race over another. Institutional racism can occur even if members of an institution aren't individually racist.

As stated by the American Psychological Association, "Policies which result in unequal outcomes for individuals of different races can also be considered a form of institutional racism." As the National Association of Social Workers defines it, institutional racism "is the combination of polices, practices, or procedures embedded in bureaucratic structure that systematically lead to unequal outcomes for groups of people."

Institutional racism doesn't necessarily imply that it is a phenomenon limited to only one racial group. For example, institutional racism is clearly seen in the modern-day existence of all-black fraternities and sororities. During an era in which racial integration is supposed to be the desired norm, such fraternities and sororities appear to contradict the principle that "all men are created equal". These days, an organization for blacks only is just as racist as an organization for whites only. Whenever people say or imply that they don't want to have you as one of their members because you aren't the same race as them, racism has reared its ugly head.

Sometimes, people aren't aware of the non-verbal messages that they send out to others of different races. For example, when a fraternity boasts about being the only modern-day fraternity to originate in the antebellum South, outsiders might interpret that boast to mean that the fraternity is proud to have a racist past, because plenty of people equate the antebellum South with racism. The same is true whenever a fraternity makes the Confederate battle flag one of its symbols. Fraternity members may say that they are racially inclusive, but their symbols may give others the opposite impression, resulting in others avoiding pledging that fraternity, in turn resulting in few people of other races being in that fraternity.

Even the behavior of an organization can give a racist message. This happens when an organization holds a party that promotes a racial stereotype.

Likewise, when an an organization advertises itself as being a black organization, the message given is that non-blacks aren't welcome in that organization or that non-blacks should stay away. The Black Entertainment Television network, for example, might have a larger audience (hence, better ratings) if it had a name that wasn't race-specific.

If one wants to see cases of institutional racism in politics, then one merely needs to look at the Democrat policies that keep minority children trapped in poorly-performing schools, the Democrat regulations that prevent minority entrepreneurs from starting their own businesses, the Democrat-promoted laws that drive up the unemployment rate among minorities, the Democrat philosophy which says that minorities can't obtain photo IDs for themselves and can't survive life unless the government is constantly acting as their nanny.

Some of the same people who complain about institutional racism also support those who create it. Ironic isn't it?

MOBO awards, while you're creeping clarify that.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 03/12/15 03:01 PM

Let's not argue about the details. Don't go to a black neighborhood and start asking for trouble. Don't be a fool. Don't blame the minorities for what they haven't been able to accomplish so far, give them a break. Just do little things to make it better and not worse that's all.

Honestly it doesn't matter what, like send a minority a floral arrangement for example. That's not going to get you killed and it could bring a smile to someone's face.


honestly, i don't consider blacks a minority...like i said, knock yourself out on the flowers...

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Thu 03/12/15 04:23 PM
I think flowers are a nice gift. Especially white ones in this case..well that could be considered racist, I was going for a peaceful gesture..just send them a mixed arrangement. laugh

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Thu 03/12/15 05:12 PM

attributing all the ails to democrats is nice attempt at controversial nonsense


I know of some black columnists who would agree with me about Democrat policies.


yes, controversial nonsense sales,,, and even black columnists appreciate press and attention,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 03/12/15 06:39 PM

yes, controversial nonsense sales,,, and even black columnists appreciate press and attention,,,


Hey, you shouldn't talk about Eugene Robinson and Charles Blow like that. indifferent

msharmony's photo
Thu 03/12/15 06:46 PM
I cant be talking about them, not personally anyhow, cause I don't know who they are

Dodo_David's photo
Thu 03/12/15 06:59 PM

I cant be talking about them, not personally anyhow, cause I don't know who they are


When you mentioned nonsense ... Oh, forget it. :tongue: