Topic: the change from sabbath to Sunday biblical or not?
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Fri 04/10/15 08:27 PM


[ With Regards Ladywinds Comment ]

Yes...

And, it needs to be emphasized that the purpose is not only for worship, but for us to be mindful that all creation was made in a mere six days of time by our perception.

God didn't create the World we live in in some mind-numbing long drawn-out timeless expanse of countless millions of years.







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Fri 04/10/15 09:26 PM
Edited by SassyEuro on Fri 04/10/15 09:28 PM


What Day Is The True Original Sabbath... ?

Really, nobody can know just because of the verses I quoted from (Joshua 10: 12-14)

Apparently, God Almighty stopped the Earth from turning for almost one full day, at Joshua's request in prayer.

So, when is the Sabbath, NOW ? spock


So I am not the only one who doesn't know? Woo hoo!

What if it is really our Monday? I think that might be the point Ladywind might be making?

So who is to say one day or the other is right?

Now I am more confused. I have always observed it on Sunday...but who knows


By the Jewish calendar it is the year 5775. That is 3760 MORE years than the Gregorian calendar.
And the Torah is much older than KJ Holy Bible.
That is... a lot of Sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday Sabbaths. biggrin

" Remember the Sabbath Day to Keep It Holy "
Anyone who is not remembering/ honoring/ acknowledging that, is NOT keeping it Holy. And therefore making Satan smile. * He gets off on confusion, doubt & twisting the truth. He is ' The Prince of Lies, & has always hated ' God's Chosen People - The Jews * pitchfork

But we know how that story ends. And what will happen to Jew & Christian haters ... laugh

BTW: The KJ Holy Bible does say, 1,000 years is ONE day to God. Anyone can Google it, or look in the reference of the Holy Bible or Torah. Or The Stong's Concordance.

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Fri 04/10/15 09:33 PM
God's ability to recollect a mere 1000 years as easily as we recollect a 24 hour day doesn't imply what's written at (Genesis 1: 5) isn't still just 24 hours.

What else would You read into it ? spock

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Fri 04/10/15 09:44 PM



By the Jewish calendar it is the year 5775. That is 3760 MORE years than the Gregorian calendar.



When You consider that it was exactly 1656 from Creation till the Great Flood of Noah's day and it has probably been more than 5300 years since then... Both of these calendars that You speak of seem shy of any accuracy.

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Sat 04/11/15 12:48 AM
Not going to venture a guess anything better than somewhere in the book of Deuteronomy or the book of Numbers that there are records of people living 2-3-4 500 some odd years. Since we know that people generally did not live as long as we do today from fossil records (detailed dental exams, stress on spinal discs and joints etc.) would it really be a blessing from god or a curse to live past lets say 75 in biblical times? Yes the ark has been found. There is evidence of destroyed cities where Sodom and Gomorrah were. Many other biblical events are just- don't get angry people - ways to explain things biblical people couldn't comprehend. The pillars of salt are, well... salt. The altar that was set aflame with water, a very old science experiment. The burning bush that was not consumed, venting gasses create the same effect today.
I know, you hate me. It's ok. Since you hate me already, Christmas… isn't in December. The north star was actually a comet which in ancient times was a sign of war and the birth of Kings, which is why the slaughter of the first borns occurred. A Roman coin found in the area marked the event with an object depicting the comet on the reverse and was dated to 6 B.C. Astrolgists proved that the North star would not be visible in Israel in the winter and it would have been too cold for shepherds to be tending their flocks by night. They would have been in stables in the winter. Rolling back the astrological clock by what would be visible in the night sky in Israel showed the comet, then called stars, that signaled the birth of Jesus about April 15. Hope you got your taxes filed and all your Christmas shopping done for the year.
Why December 25th you ask? Winter solstice and again combined with pagan -not my fault- celebrations to help convert pagans to Christianity.
Man has defiled our holy book, some lost in translation, most lost at the papal council of Nicea and at the hand of William Shakespeare and the king that ordered the bible be edited to convey a less human Jesus. Much was found by a goat herder breaking a clay jar. The Gnostic gospels are older than mMatthew Mark Luke and John. Those are the only 4 books deemed 'acceptable' by the council of Nicea in Constantinople.
I will not read the Shakespearean (King James Version) bible because it allowed Henry the 8th to divorce his wife for not bearing him a son and it changed the actual meaning of many parts of the Babel to obscure the truth.
All of these findings are just what I can quote from memory but all were televised. Merry Christmas to all!

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Sat 04/11/15 02:09 AM




not specifically a 7th day adventist or pentatcostal... but the sabbath would technically be Saturday as God blessed the 7th day and thus by our calculations would be Saturday.



smile2 So, what day would resume being the Sabbath since Joshua asked in prayer for the Sun to stand still in battle. (Joshua 10: 12-14)


Don't know specifically.. as the calender we have now is not the same calender they celebrated then. Don't know what specifically the Sabbath is Sun/Sat, ect.


I was just about to ask how do we know what day the Sabbath is in modern day. Not trying to debate it. It's an honest question that I don't know

I my self doesn't' know. And I think no body knows because we are basing on the calendar.

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Sat 04/11/15 05:42 AM
To answer the original question, nowhere in the New Testament is the Sabbath changed from Saturday to Sunday,

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Sat 04/11/15 07:43 AM
more Spitzfinigkeiten,and all sorts of Hairsplitting worthy of Lawyers besides!
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Sat 04/11/15 08:53 AM


I was just about to ask how do we know what day the Sabbath is in modern day. Not trying to debate it. It's an honest question that I don't know

The Jews have always kept the Sabbath, that would be one way.

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Sat 04/11/15 09:02 AM

To answer the original question, nowhere in the New Testament is the Sabbath changed from Saturday to Sunday,


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Sat 04/11/15 09:23 AM


To answer the original question, nowhere in the New Testament is the Sabbath changed from Saturday to Sunday,


:angel:

There was a lot of things changed by men. The Council of Nicaea did most of them. Constantine presided over the council. He didn't care what they decided. He just wanted to use religion for his power base. He started as the hero of Christianity when he gave the Christians their rights back under the Edict Of Milan. After being persecuted during the Diocletian Persecution, Christians thought he was wonderful. However his new version of Christianity persecuted those following Christ mercilessly. One of the ways they found true christians was, they were observing the Sabbath.(sundown to sundown). They outlawed the Sabbath and put in sunday instead.

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Sat 04/11/15 09:04 PM



To answer the original question, nowhere in the New Testament is the Sabbath changed from Saturday to Sunday,


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There was a lot of things changed by men. The Council of Nicaea did most of them. Constantine presided over the council. He didn't care what they decided. He just wanted to use religion for his power base. He started as the hero of Christianity when he gave the Christians their rights back under the Edict Of Milan. After being persecuted during the Diocletian Persecution, Christians thought he was wonderful. However his new version of Christianity persecuted those following Christ mercilessly. One of the ways they found true christians was, they were observing the Sabbath.(sundown to sundown). They outlawed the Sabbath and put in sunday instead.


Great answer. Sabado gigante! Saturday it is, makes perfect sense to me.

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Mon 04/13/15 12:31 PM
A lot of things make more sense when you the history of religion. After the Council of Nicaea a false version of Christianity has been presented. This version has been shoved down peoples throats, with a sword. A big part of what is preached today has no connection to what is written in the Bible.

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Mon 04/13/15 02:43 PM

A lot of things make more sense when you the history of religion. After the Council of Nicaea a false version of Christianity has been presented. This version has been shoved down peoples throats, with a sword. A big part of what is preached today has no connection to what is written in the Bible.


That's why we're suppose to read and study the word of God personally, not just follow "religion" and or what the religious leaders or people say or do. Relationship with God is a personal relationship and only way to make it "personal" is for you to learn about this being in which you wish to have a relationship with, and how to serve him as a faithful child. And is probably number one reason I don't claim to be Christian or any other religious affiliation for I don't follow religion, I follow our Christ.

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Thu 04/16/15 04:00 PM
Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Thu 04/16/15 04:01 PM
And, quote more abrogated verses from the same abrogated Bible that was re-written after 380 A.D. by that same Constantine based Church...

Right Cowboy GH ? slaphead

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Thu 04/16/15 05:10 PM

And, quote more abrogated verses from the same abrogated Bible that was re-written after 380 A.D. by that same Constantine based Church...

Right Cowboy GH ? slaphead

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Excuse me? The scrptures are not abrogated, what in the world are you talking about?

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Thu 04/16/15 05:37 PM
Case-In-Point...

(John 1: 1) From the Greek texts of the Scripture-

'In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God's.'

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The same verse You so commonly quote with the assumption it's correct.

The same verse I'm willing to send a photo-copy from out of a Greek Bible.

Remember, this scriptural reference is over 18 hundred years old.


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Sun 04/19/15 09:14 AM
Is the Greek word for God Elohim?
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with Elohim and the word was Elohim.
I have read that Elohim is a uniplural word. Like family, church or Canadian, it can mean one or many. John Smith and his son's Bill and Pete, are all Smith. God the father and the word are Elohim. Two separate entities of the same unit.

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Sun 04/19/15 11:52 AM

Is the Greek word for God Elohim?
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with Elohim and the word was Elohim.
I have read that Elohim is a uniplural word. Like family, church or Canadian, it can mean one or many. John Smith and his son's Bill and Pete, are all Smith. God the father and the word are Elohim. Two separate entities of the same unit.


Precisely, and is why Jesus says "The Father and I are one".

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Sun 04/19/15 12:02 PM

Case-In-Point...

(John 1: 1) From the Greek texts of the Scripture-

'In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God's.'


Oh look. It is a mistranslation of the Greek texts.