But, do you notice that these things are happening to street thugs? If the cops weren't there who would be the ones being killed? JMHO

so what are you suggesting, if the cops didnt kill freddie that day then he (freddie) would have killed somebody else?

Was Freddie a thug?

not sure, never met the guy.

Then how do you know so much about what happened to him?

Okay...
I gotsta laugh at the self anointed legal "experts" here.

Any clue what reasonable suspicion is?
Not your opinion of what it 'should' mean.
But, word for word, what the law is?
What the supreme court ruling is?
What the actual case minutes are?

The fact that Freddie ran, gave police every right
to chase him down and find out why he ran from them.
Reasonable suspicion, also gives police the right to
detain a "suspect" for 24 to 72 hours, without charges.

That does not mean that there aren't plenty of scumbag cops that need a reality checks themselves. Just because someone doesn't have a criminal history doesn't mean they aren't a criminal. It means they just haven't been caught yet.

maybe it varies state to state, from what i read simply looking at a cop and running is not enough for them to arrest you. i never claimed to be an expert.

Evading arrest on foot (sometimes called flight) is committed by knowingly running away from an officer to escape capture, detention, or arrest.

Arrest and detention

Flight is not a crime unless the defendant has been detained or arrested. The line between a detention and arrest is not always clear, but generally, a person is under arrest whenever a police officer has stopped the person and the person is not free to leave. A detention occurs when a person is briefly stopped by a police officer. For example, a passenger in a car that is stopped for a traffic violation is detained.

he was not under arrest or detention when he ran away, would that not make it an illegal arrest?

Actually, they had no right to hold him, only to detain and search for suspicious behavior. They arrested him for the knife he had which was a legal pocket knife. They had no legal grounds for the arrest.

They had no right to arrest him because he was probably going to church.

i'm not so sure... it would have been worse had he been a doctor or someone that actually contributes to society, unlike the scumbag gray that only takes from others... good riddance to people like him...

No they had no right to arrest him because he had nothing illegal on him. Maybe he was jogging who know point is criminal history is not a reason to arrest someone. Maybe he got help and was trying to go straight. No one knows. Point is they had nothing on him to arrest him. It was an illegal arrest period. I live in the area and see all the local reports. Truth is the cops were wrong period.

If this itemization was gleaned from official record the dispositions of the cases would also be there. So they were left off for either conciseness or intentionally to sway opinion back to police favor.

If this man was indeed guilty of all these offenses occurring in such rapid succession then he and we were failed by the judicial system. He was clearly denied an opportunity for rehabilitation and instead was dumped back on the street to continue the behavior to the detriment of himself and society.

And while it may make some of you feel better to call this man a scumbag, low life, etc., how does his poor standing in society warrant his having been neglected to the point he died?

Without debating the cause of his injuries, the willful negligence exercised by the police involved resulted in this man dying. And that is a crime that would also invite the monikers scumbag and low life being used to describe the perpetrators.

exactly just because you have a record in no way makes it ok for cops to neglect you to the point of your death. esp when they caused the injuries in the first place over a false arrest for having a switchblade when he really had a legal pocket knife.

What about people like the 50+ year old Sunday school teaching preacher's wife killed by a police officer in a church parking lot in VA a couple/few years ago? The 12 year old kid in Ohio? The numerous mentally ill and homeless people murdered by police all over the country for the sake of expedience? Are they all low life scumbags?

The point isn't the character of the people the police are killing, it is the fact that they kill without merit and without just penalty, if any penalty is imposed.

This lends to their increasing "rage" when interacting with citizens. They will treat you, me, anyone, with equally harsh disdain - because they can.

If all it takes to enforce the law is to drive up as fast as one can and kill the subject, any Jim Bob with a deer rifle can do that.

It is evident that the cavalier attitudes expressed towards this man's death is/was shared by the police officers involved and that should not be.

Using the dates of his "arrest record" I think it would stand to reason that he saw the police coming and thought, "S**T, let me get out of here before they think I'm up to no good and hassle me". (Just my hypothesis which may or may not reflect the facts.) This inadvertently captured their attention and made him a victim of over-policing.

Being said, if a man fears you so much that he runs away at the very sight of you, what is to be gained by chasing him down and torturing him?

exactly. these cops MURDER people on camera and get away with it most everytime. 12 year old tamir rice playing with a toy gun in a park, cops roll up and get out the car shooting? like how the f*c* is that not wrong? well that 12 year old kid had detention after school one day so he must have deserved it. thats what most of your logic of thinking sounds like, pretty damn stupid huh? my cousin was shot in his backyard by a police woman (who many many residents have complained about for years because shes abusive and harasses people). she tased him multiple times before shooting him twice in the chest killing him. saying there was an "altercation" and that he "had a weapon" when in reality the whole thing was on video and there was eye witnesses that completely contradict what she said. there was no altercation, he had no weapon, she lied and its on video and seen by witnesses. thankfully she is being charged with homicide but who knows if she will be convicted. but my cousin had a record for DUI and a drug possesion charge, so i guess he deserved it too? he was the nicest guy you would ever meet and now hes dead because some power tripping b!tc|-| ended his life for no other reason than she could, and thought she would get away with it. but according to most of your logic, he deserved it because he had priors. let it be someone close to you like a friend or family member and see how your opinion changes...

Allrighty then....

i was thinking the same thing, gettin arrested that frequently either means your a really bad (dumb) criminal or the cops know you and harass you on purpose. why else would you run just at the sight of the cops??? because you KNOW they are going to harass you.

I normally use the example of people who hate homosexuals until one of their family members "comes out". You better not utter any slurs against homosexuals then (which they used to do and/or laugh at) because they'll use their soap boxes to help them climb on their high horses.

Once it is your loved one who is victimized you too will become a crusader for justice.

A sad state of affairs.

Police are no longer worried about citizen safety, all has become "officer safety". Which unfortunately translates to "hurry up and waste this s**t bag so we can go to a burger joint and laugh about it".

Don't be deluded. Police are not interested in preventing crime. Their jobs and ever increasing numbers rely solely on crime occurring. Jails and prisons are big business and without a steady stream of customers businesses fail and lay offs occur.

But I digress.....