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| Topic: Freddie Gray Arrest Record, Criminal History | |
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Grey was a complete scumbag. The police still should take reasonable care of anyone they arrest. The jury is still out. We don't know what happened to cause the injury yet. Sounds pretty fishy though. Agreed. The jury is still out. Nobody knows what happened for sure except for the 6 cops and Gray. Not even tomato86 knows....lol  if they think the riots were bad before, wait till the officers get found not guilty. a law professor (i forget which school) said that the officers were overcharged and the prosecutors likely wont be able to prove all of their claims due to lack of evidence. i dont trust what the cops say. if they go by witness testimony the cops will likely be found guilty, but noone knows how its all gonna go. like i said im not trying to say freddie was "man of the year" as he was far from it, but for people to bring up his past or the fact he had weed and heroin in his system to somehow justify what happened to him is ridiculous. just because he had a record and or drug problem doesnt give police the right to kill him. and to top this all off he was arrested for having a switchblade knife, which he didnt have it was a regular pocket knife (cops lied). and looking at a cop and running isnt illegal, maybe if he was being questioned or detained then they would have a reason to chase him down and arrest him. but looking at a cop and running is not a crime and i dont believe its reason enough to arrest him. so he was falsely arrested in the first place, which ended up being the cause of his death. we will all just have to wait and see what happens. They were overcharged for one reason and one reason only, to give the jury something to find them guilty for. |
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Okay... I gotsta laugh at the self anointed legal "experts" here. Any clue what reasonable suspicion is? Not your opinion of what it 'should' mean. But, word for word, what the law is? What the supreme court ruling is? What the actual case minutes are? The fact that Freddie ran, gave police every right to chase him down and find out why he ran from them. Reasonable suspicion, also gives police the right to detain a "suspect" for 24 to 72 hours, without charges. Not in all states, especially here in Nevada. If they cant find anything to charge them with they get kicked loose. When they book someone into the jail they can not put them into the system without a charge. |
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They had no right to arrest him because he was probably going to church. No they had no right to arrest him because he had nothing illegal on him. Maybe he was jogging who know point is criminal history is not a reason to arrest someone. Maybe he got help and was trying to go straight. No one knows. Point is they had nothing on him to arrest him. It was an illegal arrest period. I live in the area and see all the local reports. Truth is the cops were wrong period. That we know of. There were both police and civilian witnesses to a drug transaction. When someone dealing runs, the first thing they do is ditch their wares. |
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exactly just because you have a record in no way makes it ok for cops to neglect you to the point of your death. esp when they caused the injuries in the first place over a false arrest for having a switchblade when he really had a legal pocket knife. Using the dates of his "arrest record" I think it would stand to reason that he saw the police coming and thought, "S**T, let me get out of here before they think I'm up to no good and hassle me". (Just my hypothesis which may or may not reflect the facts.) This inadvertently captured their attention and made him a victim of over-policing. Being said, if a man fears you so much that he runs away at the very sight of you, what is to be gained by chasing him down and torturing him? i was thinking the same thing, gettin arrested that frequently either means your a really bad (dumb) criminal or the cops know you and harass you on purpose. why else would you run just at the sight of the cops??? because you KNOW they are going to harass you. Or because you have something you need to ditch, quick fast and in a hurry. |
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Grey was a complete scumbag. The police still should take reasonable care of anyone they arrest. The jury is still out. We don't know what happened to cause the injury yet. Sounds pretty fishy though. im not saying gray was a model citizen, he was far from it. but to use his past as a way to try to justify what happened to him is ridiculous. i'm not so sure... it would have been worse had he been a doctor or someone that actually contributes to society, unlike the scumbag gray that only takes from others... good riddance to people like him... What about people like the 50+ year old Sunday school teaching preacher's wife killed by a police officer in a church parking lot in VA a couple/few years ago? The 12 year old kid in Ohio? The numerous mentally ill and homeless people murdered by police all over the country for the sake of expedience? Are they all low life scumbags? The point isn't the character of the people the police are killing, it is the fact that they kill without merit and without just penalty, if any penalty is imposed. This lends to their increasing "rage" when interacting with citizens. They will treat you, me, anyone, with equally harsh disdain - because they can. If all it takes to enforce the law is to drive up as fast as one can and kill the subject, any Jim Bob with a deer rifle can do that. It is evident that the cavalier attitudes expressed towards this man's death is/was shared by the police officers involved and that should not be. i thought the topic was freddy grey? |
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Grey was a complete scumbag. The police still should take reasonable care of anyone they arrest. The jury is still out. We don't know what happened to cause the injury yet. Sounds pretty fishy though. That does not mean that there aren't plenty of scumbag cops that need a reality checks themselves. Just because someone doesn't have a criminal history doesn't mean they aren't a criminal. It means they just haven't been caught yet. This argument doesn't make any sense. "Just because someone doesn't have a criminal record doesn't mean they aren't a criminal. It means they haven't been CAUGHT yet."' What kind of element are you use to? If someone doesn't have a criminal record, then they are NOT technically & by law & society .... A CRIMINAL. Geez... talk about pre judgements. NON CRIMINALS know & obey the law & corporate with the police. They don't walk/ run/ flee or skip AWAY from them. Criminals with guilty consciences and/or who don't want to go to jail (again in this case) flee, because they are guilt of (yet) another crime. |
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Grey was a complete scumbag. The police still should take reasonablecare of anyone they arrest. The jury is still out. We don't know what happened to cause the injury yet. Sounds pretty fishy though. im not saying gray was a model citizen, he was far from it. but to use his past as a way to try to justify what happened to him is ridiculous. i'm not so sure... it would have been worse had he been a doctor or someone that actually contributes to society, unlike the scumbag gray that only takes from others... good riddance to people like him... What about people like the 50+ year old Sunday school teaching preacher's wife killed by a police officer in a church parking lot in VA a couple/few years ago? The 12 year old kid in Ohio? The numerous mentally ill and homeless people murdered by police all over the country for the sake of expedience? Are they all low life scumbags? The point isn't the character of the people the police are killing, it is the fact that they kill without merit and without just penalty, if any penalty is imposed. This lends to their increasing "rage" when interacting with citizens. They will treat you, me, anyone, with equally harsh disdain - because they can. If all it takes to enforce the law is to drive up as fast as one can and kill the subject, any Jim Bob with a deer rifle can do that. It is evident that the cavalier attitudes expressed towards this man's death is/was shared by the police officers involved and that should not be. i thought the topic was freddy grey? Exactly, I'm sorry for his lost. Tragic & despicable & I hope THAT cop fries for her actions, IF found guily.... just as I hope everyone faces there consequences. But this is the OP's thread & topic.. Another thread is in order or reviving an older one, for an anti police brutality agenda. |
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They had no right to arrest him because he was probably going to church. No they had no right to arrest him because he had nothing illegal on him. Maybe he was jogging who know point is criminal history is not a reason to arrest someone. Maybe he got help and was trying to go straight. No one knows. Point is they had nothing on him to arrest him. It was an illegal arrest period. I live in the area and see all the local reports. Truth is the cops were wrong period. That we know of. There were both police and civilian witnesses to a drug transaction. When someone dealing runs, the first thing they do is ditch their wares. who witnessed a drug transaction? and between whom? |
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Grey was a complete scumbag. The police still should take reasonable care of anyone they arrest. The jury is still out. We don't know what happened to cause the injury yet. Sounds pretty fishy though. That does not mean that there aren't plenty of scumbag cops that need a reality checks themselves. Just because someone doesn't have a criminal history doesn't mean they aren't a criminal. It means they just haven't been caught yet. This argument doesn't make any sense. "Just because someone doesn't have a criminal record doesn't mean they aren't a criminal. It means they haven't been CAUGHT yet."' What kind of element are you use to? If someone doesn't have a criminal record, then they are NOT technically & by law & society .... A CRIMINAL. Geez... talk about pre judgements. NON CRIMINALS know & obey the law & corporate with the police. They don't walk/ run/ flee or skip AWAY from them. Criminals with guilty consciences and/or who don't want to go to jail (again in this case) flee, because they are guilt of (yet) another crime. Actually, no its not a prejudgment. Anyone can be a criminal without a record. It is not ridiculous. I worked in government. I have seen dirty cops that get away with it. I have met people in other employment that have dealt drugs and had no arrest record. Doing something illegal makes them criminals without a record. No it is not a prejudgment. The cops were negligence. Not acting and causing another's death is negligence and enough for manslaughter just like driving a vehicle while drunk and killing someone is negligence. There is precedence for negligent homicide. That is my point. |
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Grey was a complete scumbag. The police still should take reasonable care of anyone they arrest. The jury is still out. We don't know what happened to cause the injury yet. Sounds pretty fishy though. That does not mean that there aren't plenty of scumbag cops that need a reality checks themselves. Just because someone doesn't have a criminal history doesn't mean they aren't a criminal. It means they just haven't been caught yet. This argument doesn't make any sense. "Just because someone doesn't have a criminal record doesn't mean they aren't a criminal. It means they haven't been CAUGHT yet."' What kind of element are you use to? If someone doesn't have a criminal record, then they are NOT technically & by law & society .... A CRIMINAL. Geez... talk about pre judgements. NON CRIMINALS know & obey the law & corporate with the police. They don't walk/ run/ flee or skip AWAY from them. Criminals with guilty consciences and/or who don't want to go to jail (again in this case) flee, because they are guilt of (yet) another crime. Actually, no its not a prejudgment. Anyone can be a criminal without a record. It is not ridiculous. I worked in government. I have seen dirty cops that get away with it. I have met people in other employment that have dealt drugs and had no arrest record. Doing something illegal makes them criminals without a record. No it is not a prejudgment. The cops were negligence. Not acting and causing another's death is negligence and enough for manslaughter just like driving a vehicle while drunk and killing someone is negligence. There is precedence for negligent homicide. That is my point. very true, i know people who commit crimes on a daily basis, but have never been caught. does this mean theyre not a criminal? no, it just means they were never caught.so maybe in the eyes of the law theyre not technically considered a criminal, but theyre still a criminal regardless. |
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well the guy was a drug dealer that is fairly clear from his arrest record. I really do think the larger question is what was he doing on the streets
but his rap sheet is not material to being mistreated by the police. |
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well the guy was a drug dealer that is fairly Thats a pretty good question. Im pretty sure he had a court date for a charge upcoming later this month. If he was out on bail, I wonder what his bail conditions were?
clear from his arrest record. I really do think the larger question is what was he doing on the streets |
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like i said before gray wasnt a model citizen, far from it. but his criminal past in no way justifies what these cops "supposedly" did to him. he didnt have drugs on him when they arrested him, they arrested him for possessing an illegal weapon (switchblade) which he did not have, he had a perfectly legal pocket knife. yea im pretty sure he was out on bail awaiting a court date, again though, nothing illegal about that unless somehow he was violating the conditions of his bail.
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I thought the title of this thread said ''Freddy Gaylord arrested''
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I thought the title of this thread said ''Freddy Gaylord arrested'' nope, you got a little lost after the freddie part.
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I thought the title of this thread said ''Freddy Gaylord arrested'' Freddie Gaylord was arrested????.... 
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Edited by
RebelArcher
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Mon 05/04/15 10:06 AM
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yea im pretty sure he was out on bail Which is why I asked the question. Do you know the conditions of his bail? I dont, but I bet some are not to use illegal drugs (they were in his system) and cooperate with law enforcement (he ran). But if you have the conditions, please post them.... awaiting a court date, again though, nothing illegal about that unless somehow he was violating the conditions of his bail We have only heard what the AG wants us to hear. So far, at the most, its a negligence or involuntary manslaughter case. That could change in the form of more evidence....either for, or against the cops. Anything said now is just speculation by keyboard lawyers(of which, Im also one). Either way, I couldnt give two $h!ts about an often arrested drug dealer already awaiting ANOTHER trial. If people wanna vilify bad cops, find a better example....this one sucks. |
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yea im pretty sure he was out on bail Which is why I asked the question. Do you know the conditions of his bail? I dont, but I bet some are not to use illegal drugs (they were in his system) and cooperate with law enforcement (he ran). But if you have the conditions, please post them.... awaiting a court date, again though, nothing illegal about that unless somehow he was violating the conditions of his bail We have only heard what the AG wants us to hear. So far, at the most, its a negligence or involuntary manslaughter case. That could change in the form of more evidence....either for, or against the cops. Anything said now is just speculation by keyboard lawyers(of which, Im also one). Either way, I couldnt give two $h!ts about an often arrested drug dealer already awaiting ANOTHER trial. If people wanna vilify bad cops, find a better example....this one sucks. no i dont know the conditions of his bail, what we do know is he was falsely arrested (arrested for switchblade when in reality he had a perfectly legal pocket knife). running when seeing a cop is NOT illegal if you are not detained or arrested first. if a cop is detaining you or arresting you and THEN you run its illegal. if you see a cop and run before you are detained/arrested its NOT illegal. whether it was excessive force or negligence that caused his death, either way the cops are in the wrong. |
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and so what he had drugs in his system, theres probably a ton of people who have some kind of drug in their system, does that mean the police can just stop you for no reason and demand you take a drug test? ever hear on unreasonable search and seizure? HE DIDNT DO ANYTHING WRONG the day in question.
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Edited by
RebelArcher
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Mon 05/04/15 10:34 AM
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what No, we only know what the AG has let us know. But since it fits your agenda, you accept it. we do know is he was falsely arrested (arrested for switchblade when in reality he had a perfectly legal pocket knife). if you see a cop and run before you are It gives them probable cause to chase and detain you. detained/arrested its NOT illegal. whether it Looky there, we agree. was excessive force or negligence that caused his death, either way the cops are in the wrong. and if you think cops should be able to Thats not what I said....it was how you used confirmation bias to think thats what I said. Let me explain it SLOWLY for you.....If. you. keep. making. bad. life. decisions...it. will. catch. up. sooner. or. later. with you. Drug dealer doesnt quit being a thug, gets killed. Consequences for actions. Legal or illegal, they happen. kill someone because of their PAST record than u need your head checked ur the one advocating Again, thats your confirmation bias making you read what you wanna read.. Read what I typed.... that cops can be judge jury and executioner because of someones PAST criminal history. "" We have only heard what the AG wants us t hear. So far, at the most, its a negligence or involuntary manslaughter case. That could change in the form of more evidence....either for, or against the cops. "" u try to talk Well....you DO think there are subliminal messages in AARP commercials, so theres that.
about me being nutz |
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