Topic: Gender Fluidity
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Sun 05/17/15 05:53 AM
Just yesterday I saw a news report in Ontario regarding a province wide new sex-ed curriculum coming into effect in Sept for the first time. No mention of the "XE" gender fluidity BUT

grade 7 students do NOT need to learn about **** & Oral sex IMO noway

It is NOT mandatory, which is a good thing for concerned parents.




What does the new curriculum look like?

It will teach students in Grade 1 the proper names for body parts. Grade 2 students will learn about the broad concept of consent by being told that no means no. Concepts of gender identity will be introduced in Grade 3, though the curriculum doesn't get explicit and positions sexual orientation as one of the potential qualities that distinguish people from one another.

Discussions about puberty move to Grade 4 from Grade 5, while education about intercourse will take place the following year. Masturbation and "gender expression" will be taught in Grade 6, while kids in Grades 7 and 8 will discuss contraception, **** and oral sex, preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections.

Students will also learn about online bullying and the dangers of sharing sexually explicit images electronically.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-sex-ed-curriculum-5-things-to-know-1.3059951


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Sun 05/17/15 05:57 AM
The Globe & Mail (debate) CANADA May 8,2015 (last edited)

The raging battle over transgender kids.. By Margaret Wante

Discussion w/ child psychiatrist Dr Susan BRADLEY- a pioneer in treating kids with gender identity disorders in the 1970's.
She found the child adolescent gender idenity clinic at the CLARKE Institute in TORONTO CANADA

.http://www.the globe mail.com/globe/debate/the-raging-battle-over-transgender-kids/article 24333224


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Sun 05/17/15 06:33 AM
This whole idea, of adults discussing sexuality
with children, reeks like the gateway to pedophilia.

The act of physical touching, is referred to as
overt molestation.

The act of discussing sex and/or sexuality,
is referred to as covert molestation.


If you'll look at the names of the proponents of
this b.s. plan, many of them are the same chomos
who want the age of consent lowered to 13 or younger.

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Sun 05/17/15 07:12 AM

This whole idea, of adults discussing sexuality
with children, reeks like the gateway to pedophilia.

The act of physical touching, is referred to as
overt molestation.

The act of discussing sex and/or sexuality,
is referred to as covert molestation.


If you'll look at the names of the proponents of
this b.s. plan, many of them are the same chomos
who want the age of consent lowered to 13 or younger.


That is so true. Just recently Canada is TRYING to pass a law that school administration, teachers can NOT strip search children,(claiming drugs or anything else) only police can.
* I hope that it will be gender protected, female officer for female suspect? *

www.cbc.as
time.com
m.the star.com
Montreal gazette.com
www.cnetcom
ottawa citizen.com
www.ctvnew.ca

But in the USA it has only been this past decade that a male doctor can NOT examine a woman without a FEMALE nurse (RN) present,by law.
* It was not mandatory until that recently,prior- women could only request a woman present or if the doctor was THOUGHTFUL enough, called a nurse in*

In most if not all of the USA, sexual consent age is 13 (with other stipulations), the biggest lobbiests for this are , the MAN LOVE BOY group. (Name?)


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Mon 05/18/15 04:44 AM
Edited by 2OLD2MESSAROUND on Mon 05/18/15 04:49 AM
John1111 stated >>>
Just yesterday I saw a news report in Ontario regarding a province wide new sex-ed curriculum coming into effect in Sept for the first time. No mention of the "XE" gender fluidity BUT

grade 7 students do NOT need to learn about **** & Oral sex IMO noway

It is NOT mandatory, which is a good thing for concerned parents.


What does the new curriculum look like?

It will teach students in Grade 1 the proper names for body parts. Grade 2 students will learn about the broad concept of consent by being told that no means no. Concepts of gender identity will be introduced in Grade 3, though the curriculum doesn't get explicit and positions sexual orientation as one of the potential qualities that distinguish people from one another.

Discussions about puberty move to Grade 4 from Grade 5, while education about intercourse will take place the following year. Masturbation and "gender expression" will be taught in Grade 6, while kids in Grades 7 and 8 will discuss contraception, **** and oral sex, preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections.

Students will also learn about online bullying and the dangers of sharing sexually explicit images electronically.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-sex-ed-curriculum-5-things-to-know-1.3059951


There once was a time, fellow member John; when I thought that 5th grade on up had 'NO NEED' to know about STD's or oral sex dangers...but then I became aware that our youth of America were being Brain Washed into thinking that 'ORAL SEX' was "SAFE SEX" and it was being done in this age group!
My son graduated in 1994 - just in his class alone there were 3 girls that had been diagnosed with oral STD's from 'doing that SAFE SEX ACT' like their boy friends had told them!

Identifying body parts by their REAL NAME: unfortunately for the smallest child that is suffering sexual abuse within a home - from a family member/step parent/sibling/or neighbor...knowing what their specific body part is called will aide & assist in getting legal help far sooner then the ole days where puppets and a story boards were the method to pull the information out of the poor molested child. Facts & details matter.

This is not the same way that it was when I was growing up; kids today know far more about a lot of dangerous things that can provide a lifetime of physical/medical harm to them if they aren't forewarned and are just left to 'HEAR' it from some other 'FRIEND WITH AN AGENDA'...the word on the street = getting your bell rung with a gullible truth!

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Mon 05/18/15 06:21 AM

John1111 stated >>>
Just yesterday I saw a news report in Ontario regarding a province wide new sex-ed curriculum coming into effect in Sept for the first time. No mention of the "XE" gender fluidity BUT

grade 7 students do NOT need to learn about **** & Oral sex IMO noway

It is NOT mandatory, which is a good thing for concerned parents.


What does the new curriculum look like?

It will teach students in Grade 1 the proper names for body parts. Grade 2 students will learn about the broad concept of consent by being told that no means no. Concepts of gender identity will be introduced in Grade 3, though the curriculum doesn't get explicit and positions sexual orientation as one of the potential qualities that distinguish people from one another.

Discussions about puberty move to Grade 4 from Grade 5, while education about intercourse will take place the following year. Masturbation and "gender expression" will be taught in Grade 6, while kids in Grades 7 and 8 will discuss contraception, **** and oral sex, preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections.

Students will also learn about online bullying and the dangers of sharing sexually explicit images electronically.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-sex-ed-curriculum-5-things-to-know-1.3059951


There once was a time, fellow member John; when I thought that 5th grade on up had 'NO NEED' to know about STD's or oral sex dangers...but then I became aware that our youth of America were being Brain Washed into thinking that 'ORAL SEX' was "SAFE SEX" and it was being done in this age group!
My son graduated in 1994 - just in his class alone there were 3 girls that had been diagnosed with oral STD's from 'doing that SAFE SEX ACT' like their boy friends had told them!

Identifying body parts by their REAL NAME: unfortunately for the smallest child that is suffering sexual abuse within a home - from a family member/step parent/sibling/or neighbor...knowing what their specific body part is called will aide & assist in getting legal help far sooner then the ole days where puppets and a story boards were the method to pull the information out of the poor molested child. Facts & details matter.

This is not the same way that it was when I was growing up; kids today know far more about a lot of dangerous things that can provide a lifetime of physical/medical harm to them if they aren't forewarned and are just left to 'HEAR' it from some other 'FRIEND WITH AN AGENDA'...the word on the street = getting your bell rung with a gullible truth!


You are so right! drinker

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Mon 05/18/15 06:30 AM
That is so true. Just recently Canada is TRYING to pass a law that school administration, teachers can NOT strip search children,(claiming drugs or anything else) only police can.



That's not standard procedure in Canada (strip searches)... But in Quebec, there was a general guideline for high schools to be able to search someone for drugs, the guideline was specific about no physical contact, behind a curtain, by school officials and NOT teachers.

All this, still clearly unacceptable IMO. No law required to stop it, just a ban by the education minister and that's been done.

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Mon 05/18/15 06:33 AM
This is interesting,

Sex ed should focus more on relationships research shows
'Young people aren't that obsessed with sex, what they're obsessed with is romance'



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/sex-ed-should-focus-more-on-relationships-research-shows-1.3076556


msharmony's photo
Mon 05/18/15 05:04 PM

This is interesting,

Sex ed should focus more on relationships research shows
'Young people aren't that obsessed with sex, what they're obsessed with is romance'



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/sex-ed-should-focus-more-on-relationships-research-shows-1.3076556





oh lord,, what is quantitative enough about 'romance' to have education devoted to it?


I thought it was about teaching them whats important to know to protect them, not feeding subjective ideals to entertain them,,,


there is the need for them to know the anatomy, there is a need for them to know about how it works, what it can lead to, and how babies are made


all this other alternative crap being forced in is just scary and unnecessary, not to mention infringing upon the parents boundaries more and more,,


we are really losing it,,,,

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Mon 05/18/15 05:15 PM


This is interesting,

Sex ed should focus more on relationships research shows
'Young people aren't that obsessed with sex, what they're obsessed with is romance'



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/sex-ed-should-focus-more-on-relationships-research-shows-1.3076556





oh lord,, what is quantitative enough about 'romance' to have education devoted to it?


I thought it was about teaching them whats important to know to protect them, not feeding subjective ideals to entertain them,,,


there is the need for them to know the anatomy, there is a need for them to know about how it works, what it can lead to, and how babies are made


all this other alternative crap being forced in is just scary and unnecessary, not to mention infringing upon the parents boundaries more and more,,


we are really losing it,,,,


I couldn't agree more. Parents are & should always be ' THE Authority '...
Their children
Their family values
Their religion
Their culture.

This is do dangerous.

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Tue 05/19/15 11:38 AM



This is interesting,

Sex ed should focus more on relationships research shows
'Young people aren't that obsessed with sex, what they're obsessed with is romance'



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/sex-ed-should-focus-more-on-relationships-research-shows-1.3076556





oh lord,, what is quantitative enough about 'romance' to have education devoted to it?


I thought it was about teaching them whats important to know to protect them, not feeding subjective ideals to entertain them,,,


there is the need for them to know the anatomy, there is a need for them to know about how it works, what it can lead to, and how babies are made


all this other alternative crap being forced in is just scary and unnecessary, not to mention infringing upon the parents boundaries more and more,,


we are really losing it,,,,


I couldn't agree more. Parents are & should always be ' THE Authority '...
Their children
Their family values
Their religion
Their culture.

This is do dangerous.


Nothing dangerous about it, it's called education. Parental Dark age mentality has no place in todays society as that would leave their child vulnerable... is what they are trying to avoid.



oh lord,, what is quantitative enough about 'romance' to have education devoted to it?


Uhhhh romance encompasses everything leading up to sexual contact?
damn straight it's quantitative enough, at least as a single chapter? Maybe the communities who have an over abundance of dead beat dads can reverse this trend by teaching right from wrong from the start... or

we can stick with what doesn't work whoa slaphead



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Tue 05/19/15 11:51 AM
Edited by msharmony on Tue 05/19/15 11:52 AM




This is interesting,

Sex ed should focus more on relationships research shows
'Young people aren't that obsessed with sex, what they're obsessed with is romance'



http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/sex-ed-should-focus-more-on-relationships-research-shows-1.3076556





oh lord,, what is quantitative enough about 'romance' to have education devoted to it?


I thought it was about teaching them whats important to know to protect them, not feeding subjective ideals to entertain them,,,


there is the need for them to know the anatomy, there is a need for them to know about how it works, what it can lead to, and how babies are made


all this other alternative crap being forced in is just scary and unnecessary, not to mention infringing upon the parents boundaries more and more,,


we are really losing it,,,,


I couldn't agree more. Parents are & should always be ' THE Authority '...
Their children
Their family values
Their religion
Their culture.

This is do dangerous.


Nothing dangerous about it, it's called education. Parental Dark age mentality has no place in todays society as that would leave their child vulnerable... is what they are trying to avoid.



oh lord,, what is quantitative enough about 'romance' to have education devoted to it?


Uhhhh romance encompasses everything leading up to sexual contact?
damn straight it's quantitative enough, at least as a single chapter? Maybe the communities who have an over abundance of dead beat dads can reverse this trend by teaching right from wrong from the start... or

we can stick with what doesn't work whoa slaphead






romance is not quantitative at all,,,,some people feel romance with text messages, some feel romanced with hugs and kisses, some with flowers, its a totally SUBJECTIVE And nonqualitative concept that plays NO PART in prepareing kids to be successful in life by teachins dome conformist agenda about what 'romance ' is,,,

its for family to instill values,, its for schools to teach about being competitive enough to provide for oneself in the world, by having the knowledge REQUIRED to do so

knowing how to be 'romantic' rarely landed anyone a job,,,,its ridiculous to leave such a thing to the public education system


teaching about 'responsibility' is far different than teaching about 'romance'

we can certainly let an institution decide what will 'work' in personal relationship,, but the day we do, I and others will opt out as it will certainly turn into some political agenda run by lobbyists and special interests with no concern for how parents wish their children to be raised or the values they wish to teach them,,,
,, as in your concern for deadbeat dads,, unless dads are now romancing their kids,, the two are in no way dependent upon each other


romance is no prerequisite to being responsible for ones children

its not for some suits to determine if my mentality is 'dark age' or not when it comes to my kids,,,,

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Tue 05/19/15 01:09 PM
Edited by JOHNN111 on Tue 05/19/15 01:13 PM
romance is not quantitative at all,,,,some people feel romance with text messages, some feel romanced with hugs and kisses, some with flowers, its a totally SUBJECTIVE And nonqualitative concept that plays NO PART in prepareing kids to be successful in life by teachins dome conformist agenda about what 'romance ' is,,,



The "Romance" teachings could include all those facets you just brought up, anyways, I'm no expert, and by the looks of things, neither are you. See being successful in life starts with this, unless you equate success in life to financials. That would be quite sad.

You can discount it all you like, those are the choices parents make. It's an uncomfortable situation, to explain or teach sexuality, and some parents avoid it altogether. The streets are a terrible place to learn this.

As for the deadbeat dad reference, it had more to do with what's right and wrong when any romantic relationship has ended. How many instances are there of a man/woman turning their back on his/her children because of the crazy antics of their exs?

I'm backing out of this thread now, I think i spoke my mind enough about this subject flowerforyou


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Tue 05/19/15 04:03 PM

romance is not quantitative at all,,,,some people feel romance with text messages, some feel romanced with hugs and kisses, some with flowers, its a totally SUBJECTIVE And nonqualitative concept that plays NO PART in prepareing kids to be successful in life by teachins dome conformist agenda about what 'romance ' is,,,



The "Romance" teachings could include all those facets you just brought up, anyways, I'm no expert, and by the looks of things, neither are you. See being successful in life starts with this, unless you equate success in life to financials. That would be quite sad.

You can discount it all you like, those are the choices parents make. It's an uncomfortable situation, to explain or teach sexuality, and some parents avoid it altogether. The streets are a terrible place to learn this.

As for the deadbeat dad reference, it had more to do with what's right and wrong when any romantic relationship has ended. How many instances are there of a man/woman turning their back on his/her children because of the crazy antics of their exs?

I'm backing out of this thread now, I think i spoke my mind enough about this subject flowerforyou




And what a very good mind it is!drinker

I enjoyed the article you posted John...With respect to those parents opposed to sex education, I liked O'Sullivan's description of them as the "vocal minority"...I hope she is right...

As technology continues to evolve at break neck speed, the need to inform and protect children becomes even more crucial...Sex and relationship education is about 'learning' the emotional, social AND physical aspects of human sexuality and sexual health...With so much negative influence coming from "outside" the home, children need quality sex and relationship education now more than ever!...In spite of the fact that statistics on teen pregnancies have declined to their lowest point since tracking began, those and teen STD stats in the U.S. tell a grim story...Todays teens have already been exposed to more sexually explicit games, movies, magazines and videos then we adults see in a lifetime!...Every time I go out, I see tween and teen age "girls" sporting makeup, dyed hair and provocative clothing...Our kids are bombarded with sex, yet only 22 states and the District of Columbia require their public schools to teach Sex Ed...It should also be noted that 37 states and the DOC require school districts to allow parental involvement, 3 states require parental consent, and 35 states and the DOC allow parents to opt-out on behalf of their children...

The human sex drive is as powerful as it is normal...It's impossible to stop the inevitable so why not do everything in our power to ensure safe sex?...I say replace sexual repression and puritanical thinking with critical thinking, which is another "subject" that I think should be mandatory....

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Tue 05/19/15 04:36 PM
BRAVO...Leigh; well stated...and if nothing else proves your POV to be SPOT ON then the % of pre-teen/high school pregnancy in those southern states that refuse to allow any sex end classes to be taught in their schools!

ABSTINENCE JUST DOESN'T WORK AGAINST RAGING HORMONES. frustrated

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Tue 05/19/15 04:58 PM

romance is not quantitative at all,,,,some people feel romance with text messages, some feel romanced with hugs and kisses, some with flowers, its a totally SUBJECTIVE And nonqualitative concept that plays NO PART in prepareing kids to be successful in life by teachins dome conformist agenda about what 'romance ' is,,,



The "Romance" teachings could include all those facets you just brought up, anyways, I'm no expert, and by the looks of things, neither are you. See being successful in life starts with this, unless you equate success in life to financials. That would be quite sad.

You can discount it all you like, those are the choices parents make. It's an uncomfortable situation, to explain or teach sexuality, and some parents avoid it altogether. The streets are a terrible place to learn this.

As for the deadbeat dad reference, it had more to do with what's right and wrong when any romantic relationship has ended. How many instances are there of a man/woman turning their back on his/her children because of the crazy antics of their exs?

I'm backing out of this thread now, I think i spoke my mind enough about this subject flowerforyou




I disagree that being successful startts with 'romance'

and I completely disagree with letting bureacrats decide to define what 'romance' is for my kids


I agree with teaching 'responsibility' . which is completely different than teaching about 'romance'


however, I think that teaching should come from examples around children and not conformed to some public agemda

msharmony's photo
Tue 05/19/15 05:00 PM


romance is not quantitative at all,,,,some people feel romance with text messages, some feel romanced with hugs and kisses, some with flowers, its a totally SUBJECTIVE And nonqualitative concept that plays NO PART in prepareing kids to be successful in life by teachins dome conformist agenda about what 'romance ' is,,,



The "Romance" teachings could include all those facets you just brought up, anyways, I'm no expert, and by the looks of things, neither are you. See being successful in life starts with this, unless you equate success in life to financials. That would be quite sad.

You can discount it all you like, those are the choices parents make. It's an uncomfortable situation, to explain or teach sexuality, and some parents avoid it altogether. The streets are a terrible place to learn this.

As for the deadbeat dad reference, it had more to do with what's right and wrong when any romantic relationship has ended. How many instances are there of a man/woman turning their back on his/her children because of the crazy antics of their exs?

I'm backing out of this thread now, I think i spoke my mind enough about this subject flowerforyou




And what a very good mind it is!drinker

I enjoyed the article you posted John...With respect to those parents opposed to sex education, I liked O'Sullivan's description of them as the "vocal minority"...I hope she is right...

As technology continues to evolve at break neck speed, the need to inform and protect children becomes even more crucial...Sex and relationship education is about 'learning' the emotional, social AND physical aspects of human sexuality and sexual health...With so much negative influence coming from "outside" the home, children need quality sex and relationship education now more than ever!...In spite of the fact that statistics on teen pregnancies have declined to their lowest point since tracking began, those and teen STD stats in the U.S. tell a grim story...Todays teens have already been exposed to more sexually explicit games, movies, magazines and videos then we adults see in a lifetime!...Every time I go out, I see tween and teen age "girls" sporting makeup, dyed hair and provocative clothing...Our kids are bombarded with sex, yet only 22 states and the District of Columbia require their public schools to teach Sex Ed...It should also be noted that 37 states and the DOC require school districts to allow parental involvement, 3 states require parental consent, and 35 states and the DOC allow parents to opt-out on behalf of their children...

The human sex drive is as powerful as it is normal...It's impossible to stop the inevitable so why not do everything in our power to ensure safe sex?...I say replace sexual repression and puritanical thinking with critical thinking, which is another "subject" that I think should be mandatory....



Im all for teaching sex 'education'

ie what the parts are, how they work, what can happen


that is also different from teaching about 'romance' in school,,,,

msharmony's photo
Tue 05/19/15 05:01 PM

BRAVO...Leigh; well stated...and if nothing else proves your POV to be SPOT ON then the % of pre-teen/high school pregnancy in those southern states that refuse to allow any sex end classes to be taught in their schools!

ABSTINENCE JUST DOESN'T WORK AGAINST RAGING HORMONES. frustrated



Im not sure why people are substituting 'sex education' with education about 'romance'

they are different things,,,

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Tue 05/19/15 05:16 PM


romance is not quantitative at all,,,,some people feel romance with text messages, some feel romanced with hugs and kisses, some with flowers, its a totally SUBJECTIVE And nonqualitative concept that plays NO PART in prepareing kids to be successful in life by teachins dome conformist agenda about what 'romance ' is,,,



The "Romance" teachings could include all those facets you just brought up, anyways, I'm no expert, and by the looks of things, neither are you. See being successful in life starts with this, unless you equate success in life to financials. That would be quite sad.

You can discount it all you like, those are the choices parents make. It's an uncomfortable situation, to explain or teach sexuality, and some parents avoid it altogether. The streets are a terrible place to learn this.

As for the deadbeat dad reference, it had more to do with what's right and wrong when any romantic relationship has ended. How many instances are there of a man/woman turning their back on his/her children because of the crazy antics of their exs?

I'm backing out of this thread now, I think i spoke my mind enough about this subject flowerforyou




I disagree that being successful startts with 'romance'

and I completely disagree with letting bureacrats decide to define what 'romance' is for my kids


I agree with teaching 'responsibility' . which is completely different than teaching about 'romance'


however, I think that teaching should come from examples around children and not conformed to some public agemda


I can feel how uncomfortable the word "Romance" makes you. People get the general context of the article or not. It's not about ROMANCE per se and more about "relationships". Loving relationships, whatever those may be.

Or just read Leighs flowerforyou reply

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Tue 05/19/15 05:27 PM
I did. Im fine with sex education as it is , its nothing to do with 'romance'.

I believe these types of non quantitative undocumented ideals and theories should be learned from family and community and not the public educational system which bends to the will of political agendas,,


and if not,, I absolutely hope it is always the case that these things are not 'mandatory' but able to be opted out of....