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http://rt.com/usa/263333-nsa-keep-phone-records/ NSA says it will keep phone records even if surveillance program ends The National Security Agency has said it will lock down and mothball its archive of US citizens’ phone records if its legal authority to go on collecting the metadata expires as it is due to this Sunday. The political and legal dispute will come to a head on Sunday when the Republican controlled Senate will seek a resolution before the law authorizing the controversial NSA spying program expires at 11:59pm. The debate has pitted the Obama administration’s national security team against those who say the surveillance program, which was revealed to the American public by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden in 2013, infringes civil liberties and the US Constitution. The hours leading up to midnight will see a jump in activity at US phone companies and at the NSA as engineers take down servers, monitoring software and hardware from the main optic cables of telephone data traffic, according to several senior officials, the LA Times reports. "We're in uncharted waters. We have not had to confront addressing the terrorist threat without these authorities. And it's going to be fraught with unnecessary risk," said one official, as quoted by the LA Times. Even if the Senate votes to renew legislation that allows for the mass surveillance program to continue, it would take three or four days to get it through the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) before all the computer systems required could be rebooted. Read more NSA director wants ‘maritime’ law for internet http://rt.com/usa/262493-nsa-rogers-maritime-law/ Another official said even a gap of three or four days was “playing national security roulette.” In the unlikely scenario of the Senate voting before 8pm on Sunday in favor of renewing legislation, the NSA could stop the shutdown. But there are many lawmakers that will fight against any renewal of the law. Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky), who is running for a presidential nomination, told supporters on Thursday that he’s determined to “relegate the NSA’s illegal spy program to the trash bin of history where it belongs.” The NSA began the bulk collection of phone records after the September 11 attacks and FISA authorized them in 2006. But after Snowden’s leaks, Obama promised to change the NSA surveillance program. Thus, the so-called USA Freedom Act was born, which passed the house by 338 to 88 on May 13. It involves shifting the burden of holding data to the phone companies, who would then allow the NSA to access it. It would also mean the government would have to obtain a court order to search the records for phone numbers. According to the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, it “preserves the essential operational capabilities of the telephone metadata program and enhances other intelligence capabilities needed to protect our nation and its partners." It would take six months to take effect but could be derailed by Paul and other senators who argue the NSA’s surveillance remit should simply expire. Read more Obama can end NSA bulk surveillance by himself – Rand Paul http://rt.com/usa/262301-rand-paul-obama-nsa-surveillance/ Ever prepared for a worst case scenario from politicians, the NSA has put its planning teams on “hot standby” to prepare to shut down all the networks that connect them to the nation’s phone records. They will also make sure that officials cannot access the archives. If the legal authority expires they would “lock it down with the same certainty with which we operate,” an official said. Along with the bulk collection of metadata, the “roving wiretap” would also expire, this allows the FBI to keep up with terrorists or criminals who use so-called “burner” phones to evade electronic surveillance. The FBI would also lose its “lone wolf” provision which allows them to tap phones of someone they suspect might be involved in terrorist activity, but who is not connected to a known terrorist group. "As we face a decentralized and increasingly dispersed terrorism threat, and one where [Islamic State] is extolling actors to conduct opportunistic attacks, this is not a tool that we want to see go away,” a senior official said. |
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RT NEWS http://rt.com/usa/263333-nsa-keep-phone-records/ NSA says it will keep phone records even if surveillance program ends The National Security Agency has said it will lock down and mothball its archive of US citizens’ phone records if its legal authority to go on collecting the metadata expires as it is due to this Sunday. The political and legal dispute will come to a head on Sunday when the Republican controlled Senate will seek a resolution before the law authorizing the controversial NSA spying program expires at 11:59pm. The debate has pitted the Obama administration’s national security team against those who say the surveillance program, which was revealed to the American public by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden in 2013, infringes civil liberties and the US Constitution. The hours leading up to midnight will see a jump in activity at US phone companies and at the NSA as engineers take down servers, monitoring software and hardware from the main optic cables of telephone data traffic, according to several senior officials, the LA Times reports. "We're in uncharted waters. We have not had to confront addressing the terrorist threat without these authorities. And it's going to be fraught with unnecessary risk," said one official, as quoted by the LA Times. Even if the Senate votes to renew legislation that allows for the mass surveillance program to continue, it would take three or four days to get it through the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) before all the computer systems required could be rebooted. Read more NSA director wants ‘maritime’ law for internet http://rt.com/usa/262493-nsa-rogers-maritime-law/ Another official said even a gap of three or four days was “playing national security roulette.” In the unlikely scenario of the Senate voting before 8pm on Sunday in favor of renewing legislation, the NSA could stop the shutdown. But there are many lawmakers that will fight against any renewal of the law. Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky), who is running for a presidential nomination, told supporters on Thursday that he’s determined to “relegate the NSA’s illegal spy program to the trash bin of history where it belongs.” The NSA began the bulk collection of phone records after the September 11 attacks and FISA authorized them in 2006. But after Snowden’s leaks, Obama promised to change the NSA surveillance program. Thus, the so-called USA Freedom Act was born, which passed the house by 338 to 88 on May 13. It involves shifting the burden of holding data to the phone companies, who would then allow the NSA to access it. It would also mean the government would have to obtain a court order to search the records for phone numbers. According to the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, it “preserves the essential operational capabilities of the telephone metadata program and enhances other intelligence capabilities needed to protect our nation and its partners." It would take six months to take effect but could be derailed by Paul and other senators who argue the NSA’s surveillance remit should simply expire. Read more Obama can end NSA bulk surveillance by himself – Rand Paul http://rt.com/usa/262301-rand-paul-obama-nsa-surveillance/ Ever prepared for a worst case scenario from politicians, the NSA has put its planning teams on “hot standby” to prepare to shut down all the networks that connect them to the nation’s phone records. They will also make sure that officials cannot access the archives. If the legal authority expires they would “lock it down with the same certainty with which we operate,” an official said. Along with the bulk collection of metadata, the “roving wiretap” would also expire, this allows the FBI to keep up with terrorists or criminals who use so-called “burner” phones to evade electronic surveillance. The FBI would also lose its “lone wolf” provision which allows them to tap phones of someone they suspect might be involved in terrorist activity, but who is not connected to a known terrorist group. "As we face a decentralized and increasingly dispersed terrorism threat, and one where [Islamic State] is extolling actors to conduct opportunistic attacks, this is not a tool that we want to see go away,” a senior official said. wonder how long they keep them? |
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 Well.. VERISON turned over ALL it's phone lists... even the names of people on the " family of 4 plan ". just because the government "asked", (no court order, for those who don't know already).... And I believe that was Obama, using the "Patriot Act" * cough  * .... in the name of " Fighting Terrorism " Like all those Yuppies with 2.5 kids & a cheap car are a threat to the "Security " of the United States of America.  So nothing ^^^^^ here ^^^ surprises me. |
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tomato86
who says they really stopped i don't believe it they will just run it under a black budget project so they can say i know nothing about it |
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SassyEuro2
i agree i think they should turn it around and give access to every one in the government so its people can check up on them and what they are doing after all they are Suppose to be working for us right ? oh how fast all this would change never happen i know but still just another crazy thought of mine |
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SassyEuro2 i agree i think they should turn it around and give access to every one in the government so its people can check up on them and what they are doing after all they are Suppose to be working for us right ? oh how fast all this would change never happen i know but still just another crazy thought of mine It is NOT crazy. It is just not probable. But we can dream... right? We still can.... can't we ? 
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The NSA can suck wind from my rectal cavity.
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The NSA can suck wind from my rectal cavity. 
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The NSA can suck wind from my rectal cavity. lmao very well said : ) |
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tomato86 who says they really stopped i don't believe it they will just run it under a black budget project so they can say i know nothing about it i agree, what we need to do is get all of these traitors out of office and dissolve all these pointless alphabet agencies that do us no good. my god how nice america would be if ron paul wouldnt have been screwed over when running for president. no more IRS no more NSA no more income tax no more federal reserve and we would have had actual freedom. alot of people give ron paul alot of crap because they didnt understand him, and were brainwashed by the MSM to think he was too radical. if people would have looked at what HE said about his policies and not what the MEDIA said about his policies, i feel they would have had a different opinion of him. but he was the only honest politician who stood by his word. never voted to raised taxes, never voted for a congressional pay increase, didnt participate in the ridiculous pension program for congress. certain people like to call him a loon, and yet those same people are advocating that we should vote for donald trump. haha 
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The NSA can suck wind from my rectal cavity. only if they can take that wind and store it in a database for 5 years. just incase you ever fart something fierce that kills another american. they can run lab tests against your rectal wind to the rectal wind found at the crime scene. |
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when I drive by I tell them to go phuck themselves...
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Well.. VERISON turned over ALL it's phone lists... even the names of people on the " family of 4 plan ". just because the government "asked", (no court order, for those who don't know already).... And I believe that was Obama, using the "Patriot Act" * cough * .... in the name of " Fighting Terrorism " Like all those Yuppies with 2.5 kids & a cheap car are a threat to the "Security " of the United States of America. So nothing ^^^^^ here ^^^ surprises me. The patriot act was penned and passed under the dubyah administration. Many people missed it amid the M.I.A. Wmd's and his attempt to finish what H. dubyah Sr. started. In the months and years to follow 9/11 you could sell a patriots jersey to a member of the 1985 Chicago Bears. The Obama administration had to do CSI and public relations with the OK Corral that Bush's bull turned the middle east into. What you can eliminate from this article with logical deduction is that the authorities will no longer be able to protect us from threats WITHOUT mass collections. That is ridiculous. If someone calls in a bomb threat they won't be wandering around playing golf or on a beach somewhere, you get it. Questionable calls or texts will still be able to be acted upon legally. We are nowhere near 2001 in electronic communications. The VT, Sandy Hook, Fort Hood shootings, Charlie Hebdo, all have FB in common. All tweets will be kept in national archives at the library of congress. None of this requires my texts and phone records to be kept. Question for republicans; if the patriot act is so valuable an asset to the FBI, SBI's CIA NSA Dept of Homeland Security etc, why are there still crimes and terrorism active currently at this very minute on US soil?  Exactly. |
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Rooster35
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Authorities can do anything, that's why we call them "Authorities". We've only ever been Tax-payers. Get used to it and live your life as if a spy lived in your home which is not far from the truth with all the smart-TV's, tablets, PC's and the rest of it.
That spying-on-citizens can of worms has been open a long time. Good luck in closing it back up now. |
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Well.. VERISON turned over ALL it's phone lists... even the names of people on the " family of 4 plan ". just because the government "asked", (no court order, for those who don't know already).... And I believe that was Obama, using the "Patriot Act" * cough * .... in the name of " Fighting Terrorism " Like all those Yuppies with 2.5 kids & a cheap car are a threat to the "Security " of the United States of America. So nothing ^^^^^ here ^^^ surprises me. The patriot act was penned and passed under the dubyah administration. Many people missed it amid the M.I.A. Wmd's and his attempt to finish what H. dubyah Sr. started. In the months and years to follow 9/11 you could sell a patriots jersey to a member of the 1985 Chicago Bears. The Obama administration had to do CSI and public relations with the OK Corral that Bush's bull turned the middle east into. What you can eliminate from this article with logical deduction is that the authorities will no longer be able to protect us from threats WITHOUT mass collections. That is ridiculous. If someone calls in a bomb threat they won't be wandering around playing golf or on a beach somewhere, you get it. Questionable calls or texts will still be able to be acted upon legally. We are nowhere near 2001 in electronic communications. The VT, Sandy Hook, Fort Hood shootings, Charlie Hebdo, all have FB in common. All tweets will be kept in national archives at the library of congress. None of this requires my texts and phone records to be kept. Question for republicans; if the patriot act is so valuable an asset to the FBI, SBI's CIA NSA Dept of Homeland Security etc, why are there still crimes and terrorism active currently at this very minute on US soil? Exactly. great points |
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Authorities can do anything, that's why we call them "Authorities". We've only ever been Tax-payers. Get used to it and live your life as if a spy lived in your home which is not far from the truth with all the smart-TV's, tablets, PC's and the rest of it. That spying-on-citizens can of worms has been open a long time. Good luck in closing it back up now. i disagree, whether they are authorities or not, we outnumber them and they are supposed to serve us, the people. they only get away with all this crap because we let them. we dont have to let these clowns run our lives, they only do it cause we let them. but i feel their days are numbered. |
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Authorities can do anything, that's why we call them "Authorities". We've only ever been Tax-payers. Get used to it and live your life as if a spy lived in your home which is not far from the truth with all the smart-TV's, tablets, PC's and the rest of it. That spying-on-citizens can of worms has been open a long time. Good luck in closing it back up now. i disagree, whether they are authorities or not, we outnumber them and they are supposed to serve us, the people. they only get away with all this crap because we let them. we dont have to let these clowns run our lives, they only do it cause we let them. but i feel their days are numbered. sure we outnumber them, but how many of us are trained to kill? They sure are SUPPOSED to serve us but many things are SUPPOSED to be yet aren't. They get away with this crap because they control everything, from the water you drink to what's in your plate. And yes, their days are numbered... and so are ours. |
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I'll reiterate....
The NSA can gnaw on my chocolate starfish.
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Well.. VERISON turned over ALL it's phone lists... even the names of people on the " family of 4 plan ". just because the government "asked", (no court order, for those who don't know already).... And I believe that was Obama, using the "Patriot Act" * cough * .... in the name of " Fighting Terrorism " Like all those Yuppies with 2.5 kids & a cheap car are a threat to the "Security " of the United States of America. So nothing ^^^^^ here ^^^ surprises me. The patriot act was penned and passed under the dubyah administration. Many people missed it amid the M.I.A. Wmd's and his attempt to finish what H. dubyah Sr. started. In the months and years to follow 9/11 you could sell a patriots jersey to a member of the 1985 Chicago Bears. The Obama administration had to do CSI and public relations with the OK Corral that Bush's bull turned the middle east into. What you can eliminate from this article with logical deduction is that the authorities will no longer be able to protect us from threats WITHOUT mass collections. That is ridiculous. If someone calls in a bomb threat they won't be wandering around playing golf or on a beach somewhere, you get it. Questionable calls or texts will still be able to be acted upon legally. We are nowhere near 2001 in electronic communications. The VT, Sandy Hook, Fort Hood shootings, Charlie Hebdo, all have FB in common. All tweets will be kept in national archives at the library of congress. None of this requires my texts and phone records to be kept. Question for republicans; if the patriot act is so valuable an asset to the FBI, SBI's CIA NSA Dept of Homeland Security etc, why are there still crimes and terrorism active currently at this very minute on US soil? Exactly. " None of this requires my texts & phone records be kept " NOT required, but they CAN & DO. Look at it like this... You wouldn't trust mommy to clean your room & respect your privacy. So why trust daddy with your phone ?
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