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Topic: Putin Wants Texas to Secede from the U.S.
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Wed 06/24/15 04:58 PM


With the old Confederate battle flag very much in the news as a result of the horrific racist shooting in Charleston, S.C. last week, politicians across party lines are rushing to consign the symbol of Southern secessionism to museums, rather than to state capitols in former Confederate states.

But support for the secessionist cause still remains strong in…the Kremlin.

In a piece published in Politico, reporter Casey Michel outlines the deeply strange connection between the Texas National Movement, a group that advocates for Texas breaking away from the Union, and authorities in Russia.
The Kremlin has also apparently harnessed its considerable army of Internet "trolls" to gin up discussions of Texas eventually seceding from the Union on various platforms globally.

References to Texas have become strangely common in statements of Russian officials, up to and including President Vladimir Putin who, as Michel notes, accused the U.S. of "grabbing" Texas from Mexico in a rambling speech to the nation last December. (Texas, in fact, established its own independence from Mexico, establishing the Republic of Texas in 1836, nearly 10 years before voting to join the U.S.)
But Texas is by far the favorite target, and that's largely because it helps feed a storyline that Putin has been pushing for more than a year now: that the U.S. is deeply hypocritical in condemning Russia's invasion of Ukraine's Crimean peninsula last year and the Kremlin's continued support of separatist rebels in eastern Ukraine.

By invoking the memory of a revolution that took place 180 years ago — and didn't actually involve the United States — Putin has sought to draw a sort of moral equivalence between his actions in Ukraine and the U.S. annexation of Texas in 1845, 10 years after the foundation of the Republic of Texas by its own citizens.

However, the Kremlin may be overestimating the alienation that Texans feel. Three of the last nine U.S. presidents, for example, have been from the state, and two more Texans, Rick Perry and Ted Cruz, are vying to win the White House in 2016.

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Wed 06/24/15 05:23 PM
i wouldn't mind Texas seceding too...

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Wed 06/24/15 06:06 PM

i wouldn't mind Texas seceding too...

im with ya moe, if they secede im moving there.

i have been hoping PA will secede. sick of the federal gov.

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Wed 06/24/15 06:25 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Wed 06/24/15 06:27 PM


i wouldn't mind Texas seceding too...

im with ya moe, if they secede im moving there.

i have been hoping PA will secede. sick of the federal gov.


yea, sorry, we're not going to allow foreigners in once we secede... we have enough already...


just hot asian chics and a few mamasita's...

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Wed 06/24/15 06:55 PM
Wake up. He's already beaten you at your own game.

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Wed 06/24/15 07:06 PM

Wake up. He's already beaten you at your own game.


who beat whom at what game?

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Wed 06/24/15 07:10 PM
Edited by alleoops on Wed 06/24/15 07:12 PM
I'm with Vlad on this.:thumbsup:

I can just see the mass exodus out of Austinbigsmile

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Wed 06/24/15 07:13 PM
it would hurt the US more than it would hurt Texas... most all oil the the US deals with goes through Texas in one way or another...

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Wed 06/24/15 07:14 PM

I'm with Vlad on this.:thumbsup:

I can just see the mass exodus out of Austinbigsmile


maybe we can send the libs packing too...

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Wed 06/24/15 07:32 PM


Wake up. He's already beaten you at your own game.


who beat whom at what game?

Putin. The world knows that he's backing the seige of Crimea. He's using the Charleston murder prompted confederate flag crap and the misreading of Texas history to create a distraction that will fuel the flames of hate in the U.S. You're falling right into his trap.
Texas wasn't 'overthrown' by the U.S.

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Wed 06/24/15 07:41 PM
Bwahahahaha!
rofl

I'm amazed/amused,
By the amount of fools,
Who neglect to recall,
that Mexico was still property
of Spain, when Texans
won their independence.




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Wed 06/24/15 07:45 PM
So there you go. Spain, you have 30 days to claim your property. They have lots of guns there so keep that in mind.

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Wed 06/24/15 08:21 PM
Putin Wants Texas to Secede from the U.S.

Me too.

But mostly just to prove that they could.

I think that would knock a lot of things loose.

Some good, some bad.

If I were again a resident of Texas and they did secede I would be very fearful of the power of state politicians and the governor.

People focus on the federal government, but in many ways the state government is far far worse.

As things are now I think state government has less oversight from its voting constituents than the federal government.
Less media coverage for one.

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Wed 06/24/15 09:45 PM

Putin Wants Texas to Secede from the U.S.

Me too.

But mostly just to prove that they could.

I think that would knock a lot of things loose.

Some good, some bad.

If I were again a resident of Texas and they did secede I would be very fearful of the power of state politicians and the governor.

People focus on the federal government, but in many ways the state government is far far worse.

As things are now I think state government has less oversight from its voting constituents than the federal government.
Less media coverage for one.

surprised I can't say I agree on secession or anything connected but you made an actual point, ignorance of who is actually pulling the strings in the U.S. The state's governments. Yes federal government has some say and sway on issues thatour country as a whole should decide by committee like going to war for example. The President can only send the 1st Marine expeditionary force without the approval of congress. That's it. The house and senate have to agree to send ANY other members of the military to WAR. The President can't even declare war on his own. Even if the enemy is on our soil. I think we all have some general distrust of someone or some organization within our government. Case in point is as said above, oversight.
The only reason we have all the juicy salacious tell all's that piss us off and make us distrustful of the fed is because of their oversight committees. There are none at the state level and if there are they don't make the news. The only local government that makes the news is what they want you to see. If you don't believe that try asking for a copy of your states quarterly budget.

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Thu 06/25/15 12:37 AM


Putin Wants Texas to Secede from the U.S.

Me too.

But mostly just to prove that they could.

I think that would knock a lot of things loose.

Some good, some bad.

If I were again a resident of Texas and they did secede I would be very fearful of the power of state politicians and the governor.

People focus on the federal government, but in many ways the state government is far far worse.

As things are now I think state government has less oversight from its voting constituents than the federal government.
Less media coverage for one.

surprised I can't say I agree on secession or anything connected but you made an actual point, ignorance of who is actually pulling the strings in the U.S. The state's governments. Yes federal government has some say and sway on issues thatour country as a whole should decide by committee like going to war for example. The President can only send the 1st Marine expeditionary force without the approval of congress. That's it. The house and senate have to agree to send ANY other members of the military to WAR. The President can't even declare war on his own. Even if the enemy is on our soil. I think we all have some general distrust of someone or some organization within our government. Case in point is as said above, oversight.
The only reason we have all the juicy salacious tell all's that piss us off and make us distrustful of the fed is because of their oversight committees. There are none at the state level and if there are they don't make the news. The only local government that makes the news is what they want you to see. If you don't believe that try asking for a copy of your states quarterly budget.


since when do the presidents follow the rules?

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Thu 06/25/15 03:13 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 06/25/15 03:16 AM
http://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-steps-propaganda-push-online-kremlin-trolls-060946758.html

Russia steps up propaganda push with online "Kremlin trolls"
[Associated Press]
IULIIA SUBBOTOVSKA
Associated Press
May 29, 2015

someone is getting pooped on!:laughing:

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Thu 06/25/15 08:39 AM

http://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-steps-propaganda-push-online-kremlin-trolls-060946758.html

Russia steps up propaganda push with online "Kremlin trolls"
[Associated Press]
IULIIA SUBBOTOVSKA
Associated Press
May 29, 2015

someone is getting pooped on!:laughing:


yahoo also had an article saying Putin has the best approval rate ever, around 85%...

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Thu 06/25/15 09:08 AM


http://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-steps-propaganda-push-online-kremlin-trolls-060946758.html

Russia steps up propaganda push with online "Kremlin trolls"
[Associated Press]
IULIIA SUBBOTOVSKA
Associated Press
May 29, 2015

someone is getting pooped on!:laughing:


yahoo also had an article saying Putin has the best approval rate ever, around 85%...


he should run for president, of Texas.

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Thu 06/25/15 09:14 AM



http://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-steps-propaganda-push-online-kremlin-trolls-060946758.html

Russia steps up propaganda push with online "Kremlin trolls"
[Associated Press]
IULIIA SUBBOTOVSKA
Associated Press
May 29, 2015

someone is getting pooped on!:laughing:


yahoo also had an article saying Putin has the best approval rate ever, around 85%...


he should run for president, of Texas.


then the Russian population here would be to happy, can't be having that...

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Thu 06/25/15 09:30 AM




http://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-steps-propaganda-push-online-kremlin-trolls-060946758.html

Russia steps up propaganda push with online "Kremlin trolls"
[Associated Press]
IULIIA SUBBOTOVSKA
Associated Press
May 29, 2015

someone is getting pooped on!:laughing:


yahoo also had an article saying Putin has the best approval rate ever, around 85%...


he should run for president, of Texas.


then the Russian population here would be to happy, can't be having that...


yea but he would annex Mexico and have access to the Pacific Ocean.

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