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Topic: Trump: Deny citizenship to babies of illegal's
Conrad_73's photo
Tue 08/18/15 09:06 AM





In his speech in El Paso on immigration reform on May 10, 2011, Obama declared that the fence along the border with Mexico is "now basically complete." Like much of what comes out of the Obama administration, that was a lie. What was supposed to be built was a double layered fence with barbed-wire on top, and room for a security vehicle to patrol between the layers. Except for 36 of the seven-hundred mile fence, what was built looks like the picture above or the one above.

But that doesn't stop your "Liar in Chief". He claims.

"We have gone above and beyond what was requested by the very Republicans who said they supported broader reform as long as we got serious about enforcement," Obama said. "All the stuff they asked for, we’ve done. But even though we’ve answered these concerns, I’ve got to say I suspect there are still going to be some who are trying to move the goal posts on us one more time."

Maybe he's right--the goal posts were moved, but to make the job easier.
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mikeybgood1's photo
Tue 08/18/15 10:20 AM
Well Trump has a wedge he can drive into the 14th Amendment argument. The salient issue is you can't deny birthright citizenship without due process of law.

It should not be difficult to show Mr. & Mrs. Immigrant had no history in the US before baby is born on a sidewalk in Dallas. No W2's, no property tax, utility bills, rent receipts in their name. No vehicle registration, drivers license, VOTER ID CARD, social security number, and on and on.

I'm supposed to believe that a 9 months pregnant woman woke up one day in Guatemala and said "Hey, Raul, let's go to Vegas for a picnic before I drop this kid!". Yeah, that's the ticket!

If people can't prove the birth was unintentional (3 months premature for example) or somehow coincidental to their arrival, then the kid should stay the nationality of the parents. The only thing you might want to do on compassionate grounds pay to fly them home. Getting citizenship just because your mommy whelped you out on the lawn of a park she likely can't even pronounce, seems like too high a reward.

Lack of previous intent by virtue of having established a life in the US for some time before the birth would denote fraudulent intent. Citizenship is null and void for the child.

I'd be curious to know how many women give birth in Mexico every year from other countries? You know, they just don't cross the finish line into the States. Are they automatically Mexican citizens? If so, I wonder how many refuse Mexican citizenship. "Thanks, but we're good. Gonna go home and stick another bun in the Juanita oven. Maybe head for the States earlier next time."

msharmony's photo
Tue 08/18/15 12:09 PM
MExico also has birthright citizenship. However, america has citizenship by parentage. So a child born to an american on trip to Mexico,, technically qualifies for both Mexican and american citizenship.

no photo
Tue 08/18/15 12:29 PM

MExico also has birthright citizenship. However, america has citizenship by parentage. So a child born to an american on trip to Mexico,, technically qualifies for both Mexican and american citizenship.


But who wants to be a Mexican by birth? Nada.
Most developed countries have recently change their birthright laws to ban automatic citizenship.
What is happening here is a travesty of our borders for the benefit of foreigners who flood across. It's out of control and we will be financially burdened under the weight of it.

no photo
Tue 08/18/15 12:43 PM
I have to admit, sometimes I get inspired by trump...but from a business perspective oops offtopic

mikeybgood1's photo
Tue 08/18/15 10:11 PM
Just a thought. Other than the obvious diplomatic corps situation for whose children citizenship of the home country is retained, I'd be interested in knowing how many people a year actually TURN DOWN American citizenship for children born on U.S. soil?

If the 'anchor baby' issue is no big deal, as some believe, then one would suggest the vast majority of people with the option of having a U.S. citizenship for the child would actually be declining the offer.

I'm sure it does happen on rare occasion, but nonetheless having some numbers could be eye-opening.

Anyone want to try and dig those up?

Lpdon's photo
Tue 08/18/15 11:04 PM

Trump: Deny citizenship to babies of people illegally in US

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump wants to deny citizenship to the babies of immigrants living in the U.S. illegally as part of an immigration plan that emphasizes border security and deportation for millions.

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump greats the crowd at the Iowa State Fair Saturday, Aug. 15, 2015, in Des Moines.
August 17, 2015

He would also rescind Obama administration executive orders on immigration. Trump described his expanded vision of how to secure American borders during a wide-ranging interview Sunday on NBC's "Meet The Press," saying that he would push to end the constitutionally protected citizenship rights of children of any family living illegally inside the U.S.

"They have to go," Trump said, adding: "What they're doing, they're having a baby. And then all of a sudden, nobody knows ... the baby's here." Native-born children of immigrants — even those living illegally in the U.S. — have been automatically considered American citizens since the adoption of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution in 1868.

The odds of repealing the amendment's citizenship clause would be steep, requiring the votes of two-thirds of both houses of Congress and support from three-fourths of the nation's state legislatures. Republicans in Congress have repeatedly failed since 2011 to pass bills aimed at ending "birthright citizenship." Some conservatives believe that the granting of citizenship in such cases could be changed without amending the Constitution.

"They're illegal," Trump said, describing native-born children of people living illegally in the US. "You either have a country or not." Trump's remarks came as his campaign website posted his program for "immigration reform." Among its details: Making Mexico pay for a permanent border wall. Mandatory deportation of all "criminal aliens." Tripling the force of immigration officers by eliminating tax credit payments to immigrant families residing illegally in the U.S.

Trump said a tough deportation policy was needed because "there's definitely evidence" of crimes linked to immigrants living in the country illegally. He repeated comments he's made previously, noting that: "The good people can come back."

The New York businessman also said he would waste little time rescinding President Barack Obama's executive actions aimed at allowing as many as 3.7 million immigrants living illegally in the U.S. to remain in the country because of their U.S.-born relatives. Obama's November 2014 actions were halted by temporary injunctions ordered by several federal courts in rulings challenging his executive powers to alter immigration policies without congressional approval. The cases could lead to the Supreme Court.

"We have to make a whole new set of standards," Trump said. "And when people come in, they have to come in legally." Trump's plan was endorsed by Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., who chairs a Senate subcommittee on immigration.

"This is exactly the plan America needs," Sessions said in a statement. "Crucially, this plan includes an emphasis on lifting struggling minority communities, including our immigrant communities, out of poverty, by preventing corporations from bringing in new workers from overseas to replace them and drive down wages."

Most other GOP candidates also back completing the border wall but differ over how to treat immigrant families already living in the U.S. Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush recently released his own immigration plan, which calls for the use of forward bases and drones to guard the border, but also backing an eventual plan to legalize the status of immigrant families.

On Sunday, Ohio Gov. John Kasich said he would "finish the wall" but would then work to legalize 11 million immigrants now estimated to live in the U.S. illegally. He spoke on CBS' "Face the Nation." Florida Sen. Marco Rubio worked with senators from both parties to develop a comprehensive plan in 2013 that would have legalized the status of many immigrant families. But Congress balked at the idea as tea party Republicans opposed the deal and Rubio has since backed away from his support.

Online:

"Meet the Press":
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/

Immigration plan on Trump website:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform


I don't usually post Trump stuff, but I know that Mshrmny and Soufie are his biggest fans. happy




The majority of American's support this.

germanchoclate1981's photo
Wed 08/19/15 03:26 PM

The majority of American's support this.

Texas kinda beat Hairumph to the punch. No neon sign necessary, the rest of the States just need to do the same thing Texas has. Once the supreme court dockets fill up with non American trials congress will have no choice but to take tripartisan (quadripartisan, pentapartisan....) ACTION. After all, even if Hairumph was President the Constitution wouldn't allow him to enact his (senator Sessions) plan, Congress has to do it.

germanchoclate1981's photo
Wed 08/19/15 08:14 PM
Trump is married to an immigrant... Does that count as a free divorce?
The wall built by this administration was an actual wall, not fencing, not railroad ties, not vehicles barriers. Those are descriptions of the old (non)wall. This photo looks extremely familiar, this is a cattle guard. Most cattle, won't cross this. That also appears to be a mesquite grove with clear rows of trees. Much of the border includes private ranch land.

On another note, former apprentice contestant Raj Peter Bhakta (also a former republican congressional candidate and CEO of Whistle Pig) Actually crossed the Rio Grande with a mariachi band ON AN ELEPHANT to show how difficult border patrols jobs are.[CNN Tonight w/ Don Lemmon] Can't just chuck a few cinder blocks slap a coat of paint and string concertina wire across the Rio Grande people. He also challenged Hairumph to start with his contractors on one side and he'd start with undocumented workers on the other side and the undocumented workers would finish first.

germanchoclate1981's photo
Wed 08/19/15 08:25 PM
Edited by germanchoclate1981 on Wed 08/19/15 08:25 PM





rant I followed your link and I'm stuck in the Lost Forest AGAIN.....DAMN IT!!!! Damn you Gannon, damn you to HELL!!!!frustrated mad

the link to the pic even says "politifact_photos_Border_fence_vehicles"

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/19/15 09:21 PM
birthright was the product of people being forced here to help build the country and not having rights or even having their children born here having rights

at this age, where we are not in the common business of slavery, an amendment would make sense going forward... birthright should still stand , in my opinion, only there should be stipulation added that at least one of the parents must be a citizen or legal resident

if you happen to give birth while only VISITING, or while here illegally, the child should retain their parents citizenship status,,,

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