note how i put "refugee"? the argument is that a lot of these people fleeing persecution and death in their home countries are passing through, safe, friendly, countries in order to reach other memeber EU states that they see as "friendlier" and possibly offer better standard of living and better benerfits, Germany,Sweden, Netherlands, Norway, UK etc.

now as i much as i have sympathy for a lot of these people, surely the idea of seeking refuge is that you take refuge in the first friendly country that's willing to accept you? but yet these migrants have been protesting in Hungary and other countries because they want to go to Germany etc, and even refusing food, water and clothing from local governments and local civilians.

so are they still classed as "refugees", for me they are losing a lot of sympathy, because they are refusing to be sheltered in safe countries.

i suppose if they don't like the help from certain EU member states then they could always go back to syria,libya,afghanistan etc?

This is in keeping with what we have earnestly tried to expose previously. These are not necessarily refugees; indeed, most are not refugees at all , they are opportunists from various regions, mostly North Africa, using the chaos in Libya/Syria to gain entry into Europe.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/09/06/raging-horror-confirmed-at-austria-italy-border-mid-east-muslims-refugees-go-on-rampage/

If it was you, would you want a choice of which country to settle your family in?

Germany is going to regret this ....

if it was and my family genuinely fleeing war and persecution i would just be happy and grateful to receive any help, not throw it back in people's faces because they want to live in a certain country.

like i said, most people do have sympathy with the genuine refugees but that sympathy is slowly ebbing away as is the pot of gold we are supposed to use to provide for these people.

The real aggressor here is Assad and the way he conducts his rule of government.
I get that some bad apples are in the basket, but do not throw them all out because of the rotten few.

along with the American/British/European leaders who armed these people years ago!

but not all of them are genuine refugee's fleeing war torn Syria, an estimated 10,000 or so are just using the events in Syria and Iraq to try and get free asylum in Europe.

That is debatable as everything is on Mingle lol

Understanding why Syrians are fleeing Syria.

With the refugee crisis worsening as many Syrians attempt to flee to Europe, many people may find themselves wondering just how the war in that country got so bad, and why so many are fleeing now. Here, then, is a very brief history of the war, written so that anyone can understand it:

Syria is a relatively new country: Its borders were constructed by European powers in the 1920s, mashing together several ethnic and religious groups. Since late 1970, a family from one of those smaller groups — the Assads, who are Shia Alawites — have ruled the country in a brutal dictatorship. Bashar al-Assad has been in power since 2000.

This regime appeared stable, but when Arab Spring protests began in 2011, it turned out not to be. The country's Sunni Arabs, the largest demographic, were clearly sick of their second-class status, and of the country's corruption, brutality, and inequity. Protests began that spring.

On March 18, Syrian security forces opened fire on peaceful protestors in the southern city of Deraa, killing three. Protests grew, and so did the increasingly violent crackdowns. Assad's troops shot demonstrators, abducted and tortured activists, and even murdered children.

Perhaps inevitably, Syrians took up arms to defend themselves. Defectors from Assad's regime joined them. By early 2012, the protests had become a civil war. Government forces indiscriminately bombed and shelled civilian populations; Assad aimed to crush the rebels and their supporters by brute force.

Assad deliberately targeted Syria's Sunni Muslim majority, civilian and rebel alike, for slaughter. His goal was to polarize the conflict on religious lines, to turn what began as a broad-based uprising against a dictator into a sectarian war, with religious minorities on his side. He knew this would attract extremists to the rebel side, which would make the world afraid of seeing Assad lose.

It worked. By 2013, hard-line Sunni Islamists had become some of the most effective anti-Assad fighters, backed by Sunni states like Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Meanwhile, Iran's Shia government backed Assad with cash, weapons, and soldiers. It became, in part, a Middle East sectarian proxy war of Shia versus Sunni.

Meanwhile, a Sunni extremist group known as al-Qaeda in Iraq, which had been mostly defeated in 2007, was rebuilding itself. It grew strong fighting against Assad in Syria, and later swept northern Iraq under the new name ISIS.

By 2014, Syria was divided between government, rebel, ISIS, and Kurdish forces. (The Kurds, an ethnic minority, have long sought independence.) It is divided in a terrible stalemate:
Civilians always suffer most in war, but Syria's have suffered especially. Assad targets them ruthlessly, including with barrel bombs and chemical weapons. ISIS and other groups, when they take over towns, put them under brutal and violent rule. Fighting has left entire neighborhoods and towns flattened.

About 250,000 people have been killed and half of the country's population has been displaced, with 4 million fleeing as refugees:

Send them home.