Please explain exactly what you mean by 'energies'.


Just cold reading, or, if you know the person, warm reading (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Warm_reading).

If you throw out enough general verbiage, people will tend to latch onto anything that they can make fit and ignore the rest (the Barnum effect).

1 Nah, you're too skeptical. Not my job to 'convert' people. If you want to be informed, you can find it all over the net. You can Google intuition, 6th sense, Higher Self, High Sensitive Person (HSP) and so on.

2 I don't throw out general verbiage. It's not about chucking a bucket full of stuff at a wall and hoping something will stick. Maybe some ppl do that, not a clue. I'm not one of those. NOr do I know anyone who does that, and I know quite a lot of ppl who do readings.
I tune into the other person, and give them information they can do something with. Sometimes this is based on a question, sometimes it's what is important for them to know now, at this very moment.
I mostly do readings for ppl I don't know, have never met and often don't even know their real names.
Sometimes I do readings for ppl I know.
To a skeptic, it probably sounds like BS or impossible, if you have developed your intuitive skills a bit, it's no big deal. It's like energetically calling someone else to get information. I don't make up the information, I get it from them.
The hardest part about reading, is shutting up your own ego, so you don't start projecting when you come across something that you've been through yourself as well. It's important to be unbiased, neutral, and above all not judgemental. I'm merely passing on information. What the other does with it, is up to them. If they discard it, fine with me.
Compare to having a computer that you cannot fully access yourself and yet you need to for some reason. Then you get someone in who can access the bios, or hidden files, the key registry, or whatever you want to call it. He'll retrieve the info for you, and move on and you got the info you needed.
Similar kind of thing.
Once I'm done with a reading, I let go of all the info. If someone asks me something about it a few days later, I have to look it up (I keep files, in case someone has questions). No need for me to hang on to (remember) all that information, as it's of no use to me whatsoever.
So far I've come up with all kinds of information. Stuff about physical ailments (that I didn't know about upfront, I didn't know the person), character traits, emotional needs, very personal stuff i.e. reasons why someone's sex life doesn't work out and lord knows what else.
Mostly it's what the person needs to know at the moment of the reading.
I also don't read for just about everyone. Only when I feel drawn to do it, when I feel called so to speak.
I can do it with cards, but also without any 'tools'. Just depends, matter of intuition, gut instinct.
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good thing you didn't go to Kansas then... that bible belt can get pretty weird...

[Nah, you're too skeptical. Not my job to 'convert' people.]
I didn't ask you to convert anyone, just to define your terms. Without clear meanings all you have is babble.

It's interesting to note that none of these self-proclaimed psychics claimed the JREF million dollar prize. All they had to do was demonstrate their claimed gifts. Cue for a list of the usual weasel-word excuses.

Can you give an accurate reading when you can't see the person in question? If not, the cards are irrelevant. If you can, just demonstrate your accuracy and you'll invent a whole new area of physics (not psychics) and proabably get a Noble Prize.

So I babble, thank you. You know, cos you don't believe or feel anything, you don't have to become disrespectful.
I can define a whole lot, don't feel like it, cos it'll be a tome. And the info is easy to be found on the net. Like I said, you can Google Higher Self, chakras and aura, etc. And you only ask cos you want proof. That's why I said "I don't 'convert' ppl." That's not my task in life, neither is delivering proof.
I did explain some things though ... like how you connect to the person you read. Basically you got a physical body and energetic bodies. You can get a lot of info if you connect to someone's energetic bodies/self. That's the part of the 'computer' that many cannot access themselves.
But more and more ppl can. Not the older generation so much, cos they've been raised in a different environment. Brought up with science, and often the doctrine of religion, and told that anything else is nonsense and non-existent. In essence, everybody can feel, see and hear things when they're born and young, but because such things are being denied and rejected by parents and society, you close that door. You cut yourself off from that higher connection. You can always reconnect, but that will take some work, and as long as you're convinced it's nonsense, it ain't going to work. You cannot open a door that you're convinced of doesn't even exist.
Many/most children that are born today, and approx. the last decade, have that door wider open than any of us before. THey grow up with parents that never completely closed that door themselves, so their is space for them to let it develop and grow.
That 'door' means you are open to intuitive guidance, guidance from your higher self, your soul group etc. We are far more than just the part that is in our physical bodies. We are larger than that. Part of us is outside of our bodies. And that is the part that connects with the other person that you do a reading for.
Simply put: we are whole as a being, a soul, and part incarnates in a body to learn and experience things so you grow as a being/soul.
After you die, you become one with the rest of your soul. You never really separate, you always remain one, whole. Just that when you close that door I spoke of earlier, you cannot connect to that part anymore.

See, I haven't even told you anything much, and already it's a tome. Hence me saying: if you really want to know, really are interested, there's tons of info on the net.
No need for me to regurgitate and re-invent the wheel here...


I told you in my previous post I don't know most ppl I read for. Meaning they're not there in person when I read for them. That goes for 95% of the readings I do.
I understand this JREF prize means something to you. I have never heard of it. I move in spiritual circles, with ppl that are open about readings, energy work, crystals etc. Mostly such ppl don't move in scientific circles where such tests and prizes are being invented (basically to get their precious proof)

I do the occasional reading, if ppl are happy with the results because they are accurate and gives them something they can work with, fine with me. 95% of the readings I do, I do for free. Simply cos I love to do it, I love to help ppl. I do that from the heart.
The Nobel prize? You still seem to think this is so unusual and new. There's millions of ppl who do readings -with or without cards-, energy work, and healings.
Like with someone else in the thread, science seems to be your god. It isn't mine. Science isn't all-knowing, you know, far from it. It's just an entity with a very limited scope that is trying to widen their scope by experimenting and testing, no matter the cost. Only to discover that what our ancestors knew thousands and thousands of years ago, what then got discarded by science & church, is true after all. Deuh!

Haha, my girl lived in Kansas (Manhattan City) before they moved to Alabama last year. They'll be going to Georgia or Texas later on this year.
But from what I've seen and heard, I'm beginning to think that most of the US is bible belt. Except for maybe NY, California, Washington DC? And Florida maybe?

Do any of us REALLY know anything when it comes to this world we live in, where proof is non existent? Better not to knock anyones beliefs & if what they believe produces a more positive life for them & hurts no one, then who really cares. Sometimes the placebo is the most effective medication. I admire people who improve their well being with non traditional ways, even if some laugh at them. The one laughing & attempting to find proof & reasoning, seem to often be the most miserable. I've been guilty of this myself, but I do love people like fairy who has obviously found a way to beautify her heart & soul and I don't care how it became that way. It's easier to admire than to try and understand or agree with the method. The end justifies the means in cases like that. I envy this

there's more, the bible belt is OK north to about Ill, and only a state or two wide... Texas used to be real bad, but changed in the 80's when we were a democratic state then... they got rid of the "blue law" which basically said nobody cannot do anything on Sunday, but go to church... no malls were open, no alcohol, and and we buy only groceries only... they would have entire Isles roped off of things that were "forbidden" to buy on Sundays...

[you don't have to become disrespectful]
I can respect you while pointing out when you make meaningless statements.

From Google:
"The Higher Self is generally regarded as a form of being only to be recognized in a union with a divine source. In recent years the New Age faith has encouraged the idea of the Higher Self in contemporary culture, though the notion of the Higher Self has been interpreted throughout numerous historical spiritual faiths. Some denominations believe that the higher self is a part of an individual's metaphysical identity, while others teach that the higher self is essentially our tie to the heavens. Similar to the notion of the soul, the higher self can be defined by many different sects, while also being a topic of interest in the scientific and philosophical fields."

Would someone care to translate that into something that has any meaning?

[Not the older generation so much, cos they've been raised in a different environment. Brought up with science, and often the doctrine of religion, and told that anything else is nonsense and non-existent.]
I have never been told that; I work out what is nonsense for myself, usually from the complete absence of anything but anecdotal or apocryphal evidence.

If you really want to know, and want a nice description and explanation of Higher Self, you can find it here. It's lengthy, but nicely written, easily accessible and easy to understand.
http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2006/11/how-to-meet-your-higher-self/

Also, ppl aren't usually told directly that anything other than church/politics/science etc. is nonsense. It's just part of life, of society, and it simply seeps in your subconscious from every direction. There's no blame involved in that either, it's just part of the times you grew up in and/or live in now.
We all have such things happen to us, each culture and each country has their own little things like that. We cannot escape them, and there's no real need to either, unless something turns out to be too restricting and you choose to investigate and change your own views.
This changing of views is also part of a changing, developing society & culture. Like our culture isn't the same it was 100 yrs ago, there's also smaller changes to be noticed within for instance a decade, or a few decades. Just look at the 60s-70s and where we are now. Life is dynamic, societies are dynamic. But many things that are part of society we live in aren't directly conveyed to us. They're just there and we simply take them in.
Sorry for that lengthy explanation, I'm quite sure you know all that :)

As for the rest, aposomething evidence (English isn't my first language, and I don't know that word, too lazy at the mo to look it up, lol)...
We both work differently. The evidence that is sufficient for me, would likely not suffice for you.
For instance when I notice that my readings work, that's proof enough for me. I don't need any more proof. To me that's pointless, as I have already learnt that it works. I know it, feel it, sense it. (and yes, I can connect with my HS).
And that we're different that way, is also fine. We all have our own needs and points of reference.
Also, -apart from personal preferences and character- men usually work more from logic and needing proof etc. Women tend to be more intuitive.
Also no judgement in that, it's just how we're wired, and that goes back to ancient times. PRimal instincts, survival of the species etc.
But based on that there's also a 'feminine' way of healing and a 'masculine' way of healing. The latter you choose what energy you want to use, you choose what method etc. The first you don't. Of course there's intent and focus, but differently. It's more like letting it flow, like water flows to the lowest point without any guidance whatsoever. And if you block it, it will just flow around the block and continue on its path. THat's more the feminine way.
In comparison, the masculine way is more like you'd build a channel, as straight as possible, remove all blocks and go in a straight line for the lowest point.
Both ways are good, both ways work. Matter of preference, and of how differently men & women are wired.
But I digress...

Oh yeah, I remember my girl telling me that the alcoholic beverages weren't for sale on Sundays. All that is totally unreal to me, haha.
We may have some stuff like that in our own bible belt, that yes, we have over here too. Of course on much smaller scale, as the Netherlands is a small country. But I doubt we'd have roped off sections and so on. It's more that certain events -like a fair- will have to stop at 24.00 on Saturdays in the bible belt area, because 24.01 it's the day of the lord.
I really don't understand that they still get away with that kind of stuff in this day and age in our country, but yeah ...
And there are occasional outbreaks of measles cos those ppl choose to not have vaccinations, but leave it to god. I'm not too happy about that either, I live close to part of the Dutch bible belt, and I didn't have a measles shot myself, as it wasn't part of the program yet when I was born. And I didn't have measles, so I'm not immune... Meaning I'm at risk whenever there's an outbreak I have to take that up with my GP, but I keep forgetting.
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The definition from your reference:
"Your higher self is you."
So it's a tautology (like one equals one)

"You in the ether."
What is the "ether"? Definitions in terms of underfined things remain undefined.

"Your higher self is the real you, your total soul consciousness."
What is a "soul consciousness"?

"The you that is living here on Earth is just a projection of the consciousness of your higher self."
So I am a projection of myself? How is one projected?

"Your higher self is the more complete you,..."
Complete describes something has nothing missing, so what can this possibly mean?

"...the one that isn’t being frustrated by the veil that draws down upon us when we incarnate..."
This assumes we exist before we are born. Where is the evidence for this?

"...that causes us to forget where we came from."
A simpler explanation for forgetting where we come from that we didn't exist before we were born and so had nowhere to come from.

"The higher self is the one in possession of your spiritual contract, the plan you made for yourself before you incarnated."
So we make plans before we exist...

"He or she has your instruction manual and your life plan in his/her hot little hands."
... and we seem to have a temperature too?

Sorry, but this is nothing like a definition; it's no more than another example of what can only be described as babble: use lots
of meaningless words that sound good.


[As for the rest, aposomething evidence (English isn't my first language, and I don't know that word, too lazy at the mo to look it up, lol)...]
Apocryphal is an adjective meaning "(of a story or statement) of doubtful authenticity, although widely circulated as being true."
Perhaps you should read about both sides of these issues in your native language where you can spot uses of undefined terms.

[We both work differently. The evidence that is sufficient for me, would likely not suffice for you.]
You haven't provided any evidence.

[For instance when I notice that my readings work, that's proof enough for me. I don't need any more proof.]
So if you think something is true, that's enough? I suggest you investigate "cognitive bias".

[I have already learnt that it works.]
It is common for people who believe they have special powers to remember the hits and forget the misses. If I make random guesses as to which face of a die will come up, I am bound to be right sometimes. Can I claim clairvoyance if I ignore all the times I was wrong?

[The latter you choose what energy you want to use, you choose what method etc.]
Throwing around a word like 'energy' when you are unable to provide a clear, unambiguous definition diminishes your credibility.

the "Southern Baptists" are pretty wacko... almost as bad as the Catholics...

Thank you! I'm Catholic.
*And don't you dare say "I rest my case!"

Needless to say I'm not a practicing Catholic anymore. Never really have been, and not anything like the extreme stuff in the USA. Those days have gone over here. That was more the thing when my grand-parents were young. Quickly started to die down in the 60s.
I'm a pagan, spiritual, or whatever you want to call it. Nothing floaty, down to earth, both feet solidly on the ground (that's why I don't like the phrase 'spiritual' as many ppl automatically think you're some hippie or orange robe wearing twit (BrE twat) mumbling "Ooohmmm" all day long, lol.

whatever you want to be, just be it the best u can, i guess... i'm not sure what a "pagan" is or supposed to be, but apparently lots of people don't like them for some reason... and i'm sure it's {the reason) probably something stupid as well...

Haha, yeah, in a way it is. It is a person who does believe, but isn't following one of the main religions. So a pagan is considered a heretic, a blasphemer, by the churchies.
It's most commonly used for ppl who follow ancient erm ... tradition. Like the native Americans in the USA, or the old ppl in Europe, Druïds for instance, but also witchcraft, wise women, herbalists, that sort of thing.
Basically, simply put: the stuff our ancestors did/believed. Anything that put you on the pyre in the Middle Ages, lol.
ALthough I believe having a wart would not really suffice to be a pagan, haha.

I'm a professional tarot reader. I know a lot of theories and opinions on how they work but none of them proveable so I don't worry about it. I just know they work for me and the people I read for. Are they 100% accurate 100% of the time? No. But I believe that is because people make choices all the time that change outcomes. And that's a good thing. One of the best sayings I've heard is "the cards tell a story but you write the ending".

I would love to see a properly conducted trial where three 'professional' tarot readers independently give readings for the same people. Once the Barnum statements have been removed ("you have a good sense of humor, but not everyone sees it"; "you tend to think about things before taking action"; "You have had some major challenges in your life"; "you recently had a disagreement with someone you care for"...) the remaining specific predictions should be equivalent: not identical, but obviously foretelling the same things.

I have a prediction of my own: removing the Barnum statements will leave null readings.

http://web.randi.org/swift/did-a-psychic-see-my-future-no-it-wasnt-in-the-cards

When three ppl read for 1 person, they may very well all come up with different things. And ALL be right.
It's like having 3 doctor's examine 1 patient. 1 a cardiologist, 1 a oncologist, 1 a gynaecologist.
They all have their own specialty, so the gyn won't spot the heart disease that the cardiologist will come up with, both will miss the spot that is skin cancer the oncologist finds.
So you will get 3 different results, all accurate.

Readers all have their specific thing too. Some may not consciously aware of it, others will be, but intuitively you'd likely not be drawn to doing readings that concern things that aren't really your thing.

Except that if you go to three new specialists you are likely to get the same results as before. That's because they work in the real world and base their conclusions on evidence that is open for all to view and interpret.