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Topic: I'm writing a research essay about God.
Manami's photo
Tue 10/16/07 01:48 PM
I'm now writing a research essay, and I need your help.
If you think God created the earth, can you tell me one of your strongest support why you think so ?

Queene123's photo
Tue 10/16/07 01:51 PM
well if god didnt creare earth, then tell me who did...........:tongue: :tongue: :tongue: :tongue: such a silly question

boredinaz06's photo
Tue 10/16/07 01:56 PM
there is no god, god's or deities! if there is....SHOW ME!

Robbyboy's photo
Tue 10/16/07 01:57 PM
I think if you want a legitimate answer there is no way anyone can post it as a cooment. It would have to be a considerable amount of writing involved no?

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Tue 10/16/07 02:02 PM
Don't get me wrong, I am by no means a "holy roller", but science can only prove the creation of the universe to a certain extent. Beyond that there are things that are beyond our capability of understanding. While He may not of created the Earth directly, I believe He had a hand in it. Even some of the most intelligent scientists in the world acknowledge an existence of God to explain things they are not capable of explaining.

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Tue 10/16/07 02:07 PM
nah! god was created to explain the unexplainable. and used by alot of kings to keep his peasants inline. a strong pimp hand of sorts.

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Tue 10/16/07 02:07 PM
"If you think God created the earth, can you tell me one of your strongest support why you think so ? "

I suggest you look into the Anthropic principal and the fallacies involved with it. That is the strongest physical evidence that God created the universe.

Manami's photo
Tue 10/16/07 02:08 PM
You helped me a lot ! :)

stuck_in_ohio's photo
Tue 10/16/07 02:11 PM
good luck with your paper... much aloha wahine

Britty's photo
Tue 10/16/07 02:17 PM
Manami,

good luck with your essay.

If you follow spider's advice, I am sure you will find a lot of material that will help.

rozey2680's photo
Tue 10/16/07 02:24 PM
Thank you Spider!flowerforyou

rozey2680's photo
Tue 10/16/07 02:25 PM
All you have to do is look at the clouds, the sunsets, the sunrises, a blade of grass and see God, and His infinite power!flowerforyou

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Tue 10/16/07 02:54 PM
Let me give you guys a quick rundown on the Anthropic principle and what it says about the universe. It's important to remember this: The researchers who came up with the Anthropic principle were atheists at the time.

Physicists understand that the possibility of a non-life producing universe are far greater than the possiblity for a life producing universe. The possiblity of a non-life producing universe is so great, that physicists decided to tackle the issue, because it would be like winning the lottery daily for a year. Their results was the anthropic principle, in it's three forms: Weak, Strong and Final.

Weak is best described by an analogy: "Your car falls off a 100' cliff and hits the ground in a firey explosion. You are unharmed by both the fall and the explosion. If you hadn't survived, you couldn't marvel at the fact that you survived." Basically, this is a dodge of the question.

Strong is the belief that there is an infinite number of universes, so it's no surprise that ours contains life.

Final is the belief that any universe will eventually create intelligent life.

All three are obviously false.

Weak: The principle is a dodge. The question still remains how did you not die in the fall or explosion?

Strong: There is no evidence of an infinite number of universes. Common sense invalidates the idea of infinite infinities. Infinite infinities would be a single infinity.

Final: A universe that was composed entirely of hydrogen would not support life.

The only answer to the anthropic principle is God, which is why one of the two atheists who developed the theory has since become a deist. He couldn't accept at faith any of the anthropic principles, because they are clearly a case of having a conclusion and looking backwards to find theorys to explain the conclusion.

Fitnessfanatic's photo
Tue 10/16/07 03:15 PM
Hey Spider are you a physics professor because I thought your area of expertise was defending Christianity?

Science is man's wanting to understand the universe.

Religion is just man's way of living in ignorance of universe by inventing stories to find moral truth.


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Tue 10/16/07 03:20 PM
Oh by the way spider how old is the universe? If you played the lottery once a day for a 4 billion years do you think you eventually win?

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 10/16/07 03:46 PM
Manami wrote:
“I'm now writing a research essay, and I need your help.
If you think God created the earth, can you tell me one of your strongest support why you think so ?”

How long is your research paper going to be?

What do you mean by “god”?

There are many different ways to think of god.

There are ideas where god preplans every little detail of everything.

For example, some believe that earth was already planned at the Big Bang and was inevitable. In fact, the most popular western religions believe that the earth (and human beings) were the soul purpose of creation. Kind of makes the rest of the universe seem like an awful lot of wasted space doncha think?

Other religions don’t think of god as preplanning every little detail.

In these religions (like Eastern Mysticism), it’s more like god creates a set of dice. God knows what numbers are possible to come up. But even god doesn’t know what numbers actually will come up. God throws the dice (the Big Bang) and things like the earth and humans come up simply because they are possible numbers on the cosmic dice. Even god didn’t know precisely what would come up. She only knew what is possible and what isn’t.

Kind of like when we throw dice. If we throw a pair of dice we know that we’ll get a whole number between or including 2 through 12. But we aren’t going to get anything more, or anything less. Nor will we get any fractional numbers. The only possibilities are the whole numbers between or including 2 thru 12. We know what's possible, but we still don't know precisely what will happen on any given roll.

In a similar way, god throws the universe. She has no clue what might come up. But she knows what can't come up. So when she sees humans and earth she’s pleasantly surprised by her roll. She knew these “numbers” were possible, but she had no clue that they would come up precisely they way they did.

She sees you and thinks, “Wow! What a GREAT ROLL!” drinker

Maybe you could just write on the different kinds of gods that are possible?

It doesn’t have to be the drab Mr. Know-it-all God that wears a black suit and carries around a black book with a somber judgmental face.

It could be the Lucky Lady who rolls lucky 7’s and screams “Eureka! I rolled a Manami!” flowerforyou

There are actually millions of people who believe in the Lucky Lady who rolls Manamis. :wink:

Although they probably refer to their religions as Eastern Mysticism and things like that.

You could entitle the paper, “The God who Rolled Earth”,

At first they will probably think you said, “The God who Ruled Earth”, but boy will they be wrong! laugh

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Tue 10/16/07 03:56 PM
LOL Abra!

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 10/16/07 04:01 PM
FF wrote:
"Oh by the way spider how old is the universe? If you played the lottery once a day for a 4 billion years do you think you eventually win?"

Hey, let's count ALL the rolls of the dice! Try more like 14 billion years. The Earth and Sol were a lucky 7. :wink:

That out of 70 sextillion rolls or more! That's the number of stars in the currently observable universe, and that's just one "snapshot" in time that we can see.

That's 70 thousand billion billion billion rolls of the dice!

Mathematically it's extremely unlikely that the earth is the ONLY place where a lucky 7 came up.

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Tue 10/16/07 04:01 PM
"Oh by the way spider how old is the universe? If you played the lottery once a day for a 4 billion years do you think you eventually win?"

You don't understand the anthropic principle. I didn't create the anthropic principle, it was created by physicists. So if you disagree with the anthropic principle, then you need to take it up you disagreement on physics with the worlds foremost physicists.

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 10/16/07 04:05 PM
Einstein couldn’t believe that god plays dice. But in truth it’s really the most natural picture of god. And, of course, quantum mechanics confirms that god does indeed throw dice. It’s no longer in question.

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