Tarnakk4,

Done loads of debating myself, and trust me Tarnakk4, if you want to stay on topic, and debate intelligently, you must use your metaphorical pirate gun, and fire 'spider' to other pastures.

Only then can you resume debating.

If in a formal debating mode, 'spider' would consistently get the yellow card form the moderator, and probably would have to be chased out by security gards.

Religious fundamentalists do not debate, they pontificate.

Hmmm... I missed that post. I can see how such a thing might lend itself to being taken badly. I'd like to apologise to Spider and Invisible at the outset - because I'm about to make a point neither will like.

Nevertheless, I feel obliged to point out that it wasn't spider I thought was the lunatic when I showed up here. I assumed Invisible was just another one of those 12-year-old mental patients who can't get through an arguement without name-calling and temper-tantrums. Then I noticed they had a history of fighting, but by then, damage was done. The first impressions had stuck.

Consider this a lesson in letting your emotions get the better of you in a debate. Spider looked like a normal if patronizing guy expressing his views. Invisible just looked crazy. I gather both have been on edge lately, but that doesn't change the fact that I, as a bystander, am more likely to listen to Spider's arguements than Invisible's for what is likely to be no good reason other than Spider taking advantage of the language, and Invisible being trapped by the arguement.

Tarnakk4,

Done loads of debating myself, and trust me Tarnakk4, if you want to stay on topic, and debate intelligently, you must use your metaphorical pirate gun, and fire 'spider' to other pastures.

Only then can you resume debating.

If in a formal debating mode, 'spider' would consistently get the yellow card form the moderator, and probably would have to be chased out by security gards.

Religious fundamentalists do not debate, they pontificate.

I am starting to get that idea, voileazur. I thank your timely intervention and explaination.

My pleasure Tarnakk4!

By the way, your first impression of 'Fanta' is 'nickel' as we say, 'dead-on'!!! He is a formidable debator.

And look forward for civilized and enlightening exchanges in your company.

As for the situation, I think spider's last comment was half right. It's great that Congress has the science now, but I think the American people need to know it, too. Or, more aptly, the planetary population needs to know. The only way I can see for issues like global warming to be taken seriously is for popular interest in these issues to be fostered. People need to know how bad things can and likely will get.

Also keep in mind that the majority of Sr. Politicians are rich people from often ultrarich families. These are people who see wielding power as being worth the equivellant of 10 people's entire working careers to buy a mere 2-4 years of. "Let them eat cake" is certainly a phrase NY is familliar with from our former Governor Pataki. They are affraid of making changes related to preparing for a global climate shift, and likely won't unless we get off our butts and get them out of office. People also need to be aware how increased virulence of bacteria will likely affect them both in terms of health AND finance.

looks like the same old group is still feeding on each other's paranoia I don't think the tinfoil in your hats is working

and it looks like another raving lunatic has joined the ranks!!!!!

welcome Tarnakk4 whatever that means

ain't that an everyday's news in this country?

insert jacks line from a few good men here

Spidercmb,

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I hope you're not offended if I call you sweetheart. I live in Montréal, and we say 'sweetheart' to anyone we talk to.
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Not at all, in fact I expect it, since you are from Montreal after all.

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I also asked JSH 'webmaster', to add 'radical' everytime you wrote Muslim(s) or Islam, Iran, etc.
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That's just silly. Everytime I'm talking about Muslims, I'm not talking about Radical Muslims.

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I also asked them while at it, to try and re-write your posts in such a manner that the desperate, off-topic, attention grabbing, and egocentric ramblings you often slide into would not be so overwhelming.
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An honest person would have noted that it was "invisible" who went off topic and I just followed her. An honest person would also admit that I am correct in my statements. Since you guys only attack me and never address my arguments, I think it's hilarious that you even mention debating. Your ad hominem attacks would not serve you well in a debate. In fact, I have yet to see you actually offer any evidence to support your arguments and ironically, your arguments are always about why I'm not a real Christian or why I hate Islam. I'm NOT the topic of the thread, the topic of the thread was addressed in my earlier posts and you have not seen fit to even attempt to address my statements. I could not lose a debate to you, because your every statement would be a logical fallacy or ad hominem attack.

they edited the word apocalypse to read party??