Topic: Belgium Wants Migrants To Sign Pledge
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Mon 04/04/16 03:04 PM
Belgium wants migrants to sign local values pledge:
(Debate) Parliament is expected to pass this.

http://youtu.be/6rUx6QZCxSo/
12:51

Published on Apr 4, 2016

Belgium is considering making all non-EU migrants sign a so-called 'newcomers statement', declaring they accept Belgium's values. RT is joined by Tom Van Greeken, who's president of the country's right-wing Vlaams Belang party... and also Ignaas Devish, who is an ethics professor at Belgium's Ghent University.
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https://www.rt.com/news/338113-belgium-immigrants-sign-statement/

rt.com

Belgium wants migrants to sign pledge to accept local values

All non-EU immigrants wishing to reside in Belgium may soon have to accept local values and integrate into society by signing a “Newcomer’s statement.” Those failing to comply will have their residence claims rejected, immigration officials say.

Belgian Secretary of State for Asylum and Migration Theo Francken has drafted a document – “Newcomer’s statement.” The proposal is expected to be passed by parliament in the next few months, according to Reuters.

All non-EU immigrants and their children, who wish to stay in Belgium for longer than three months, will be asked “to respect the laws and democratic principles” and concede to freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of sexual orientation. The obligation to sign the “Newcomer’s statement” does not apply to international students and asylum seekers.

“Every individual can decide not to adhere to any religion or deny his/her religion,” the draft says. “In this country we consider a relationship between two men and two women as equal to a relation between a woman and a man.”

“In this country men and women have the same rights and obligations … to education and work. Any adult, men or women, can freely choose, without pressure of his/her parents, his/her job, home and partner,” the document notes, in an apparent reference to Islamic culture, where obedience to parents’ or husband’s will is considered a virtue.

Immigrants would also be asked to agree to “do everything possible” to prevent any act of terrorism and report it to the police. And finally, integration into society is a “condition to continue to have a right to stay in Belgium,” while failing to integrate “endangers the granting or renewal of [one’s] residence permit.”

Officials say the proposal would guarantee immigrants’ willingness to adapt to local culture and values.

“Many people come to Belgium from countries with other values,” Francken’s spokesman Laurent Mutambayi told Reuters. "If they want to build their life here in Europe, (we have) no problem with that, but they have to sign this statement that they accept our values," he added.

However, it is still unclear whether the statement will be legally binding. The proposal does not explain criteria to evaluate an immigrant’s adherence to those values and behavioral standards. Critics add that the tone of the document is biased and would fuel prejudice towards migrants.

"It's an extra tool for the immigration office to keep some people out of Belgium," said Didier Vanderslycke from ORBIT, an organization working on diversity and migration.

"The integration process can start when you have residence and not when you sign a document that you will integrate. It's really a bad thing as a welcome for people," he told Reuters.

For the proposal to be enshrined in law, it needs adoption by a simple majority at Belgium’s federal parliament and a signature of the government.

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Mon 04/04/16 03:18 PM


Taqiyya anyone?

Rock's photo
Mon 04/04/16 03:19 PM
Don't know that'll stop the terrorist minded.
But, it's a step in the right direction. :thumbsup:

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Mon 04/04/16 03:28 PM
I've always liked an idea like this. I'd want them to specify which values.

I'd put in there that they have to accept that the law of the land they are taking refuge in, supersedes any national, or cultural laws of their previous domicile, and that their religious laws take a back seat to the laws of the land as well.

To make it stick, we should have citizens sign the same pledge.

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Mon 04/04/16 03:37 PM

I've always liked an idea like this. I'd want them to specify which values.

I'd put in there that they have to accept that the law of the land they are taking refuge in, supersedes any national, or cultural laws of their previous domicile, and that their religious laws take a back seat to the laws of the land as well.

To make it stick, we should have citizens sign the same pledge.


3-4 values listed on the YouTube video. And copies of the pledge on article link.

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Mon 04/04/16 06:19 PM

I've always liked an idea like this. I'd want them to specify which values.

I'd put in there that they have to accept that the law of the land they are taking refuge in, supersedes any national, or cultural laws of their previous domicile, and that their religious laws take a back seat to the laws of the land as well.

To make it stick, we should have citizens sign the same pledge.


When my family immigrated LEGALLY to the United States we, actually my parents since I was a minor, had to agree to follow the laws of the land which included registering yearly and every time we changed addresses with the INS. When I became a naturalized citizen I had to pledge my allegiance to the Unites States and renounce all other citizenships during the swearing in ceremony.

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Mon 04/04/16 07:45 PM



Taqiyya anyone?


Intresting, this is in the Koran, or is it in some zelots book?

Robxbox73's photo
Mon 04/04/16 08:17 PM
Ok it's All-Taqqiya. It's part of the radical part of what the zelots belive.

Not all Muslims are wacko shira types. Ok with that said here is the info on how these Isis types and their frame of mind. True Muslims don't belive in this stuff.

Here's the article.
Islam Permits Lying to Deceive Unbelievers and Bring World Domination!
Radical Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.

By Don Boys, Ph.D.
KoranWithPrayerBeads
al-Taqiyya:
deception; the islamic word for concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies.

It is impossible to understand Islam and Radical Muslims by listening to their protestations against terror and their proclamations of patriotism for America. Usually, it is wise and fair to give people the benefit of the doubt but when it comes to national safety and the future of America, we had better look twice, even thrice at Radical Muslim patriotism. Why? Because Islam permits lying! It is called “Al-taqiyya.” One Muslim said that Al-taqiyya means dissimulation then he expanded it to diplomacy but he should have gone further to deception. Now some Radical Muslims who do not follow the Koran are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

Radical Muslims lie not because they are liars by nature but by choice. Systematic lying as a religious policy is deadly, and if our politicians do not understand this, thousands could die.
It seems our President and his advisors are clueless as to the desires, doctrines, and distinctives of Islam. While I feel a little audacious in giving advice to national leaders, it is necessary since no one else is doing it.Radical Muslims lie not because they are liars by nature but by choice. Systematic lying as a religious policy is deadly, and if our politicians do not understand this, thousands could die.

Radical Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.

Radical Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

Mohammed gave permission for a follower to lie in order to kill a Jewish poet who had offended Mohammed. I could provide many examples of permissible lying from the Koran and Hadith and will do so when my critics accuse me of hatred and bigotry because of this column. My motives are not important but the truth is. However, many unprincipled people do not consider truth important. It is political correctness that sits on the throne to be worshiped.

Radical Muslims may appear very sincere; in fact, they are sincere, when they lie for their own protection or in the cause of Islam. They have permission to lie. Yes, Christians have also lied but never are they given permission to lie. However, a Muslim has no guilt since the Koran and Hadith permit his deception.

Radical Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable.
They will lie to make Islam more attractive to potential converts as they speak of “no compulsion in religion” while all of them know that verse was abrogated by later verses. They will quote verses that speak of tolerance and kindness knowing that those verses were written when Mohammed was desirous of “tolerance and kindness,” but when he climbed into the catbird seat, everything changed and he became a terrorist.

Radical Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable. The Muslim is earning his way to heaven by lying to a non-Muslim.

Unlike Christians who are saved once for all by the grace of God through faith in Christ’s propitiatory death, no Muslim knows for sure if his works are good enough for Heaven. The only Muslim who knows for sure that his eternal destiny is secure and he will drop into a delightful garden filled with 72 virgins on soft green cushions is the one who dies while “taking out” unbelievers in Islam.

Most Radical Muslims will not have the “opportunity” to become a martyr in this war between Islam and the rest of the world and make no mistake every true Muslim must be involved in making America (or the nation where he lives) a Muslim nation. Since Muslims are limited in their ability to die for the cause, they can help the cause by supporting terrorists with money, succor, and cover. Sure, they are aiding terror against the U.S. but since they believe they are doing Allah’s will, then any deception is acceptable.

How should this affect America’s war on terror? Officials must look closely at every Muslim chaplain in the military and in our prisons; also look at those involved in the CIA, FBI, and other sensitive areas; look at all Arabic translators, military or civilian; look at all Muslim employees at the Pentagon, White House, atomic power plants, and in Congress; look at all civilian Muslim pilots; look at Muslim clerics in all U.S. mosques. In other words, get serious about this war before our cities are rubble.

mightymoe's photo
Mon 04/04/16 08:40 PM

I've always liked an idea like this. I'd want them to specify which values.

I'd put in there that they have to accept that the law of the land they are taking refuge in, supersedes any national, or cultural laws of their previous domicile, and that their religious laws take a back seat to the laws of the land as well.

To make it stick, we should have citizens sign the same pledge.


someone else on your account? that doesn't sound like something you would say...

but, yea, i agree with this...

mightymoe's photo
Mon 04/04/16 08:41 PM

Ok it's All-Taqqiya. It's part of the radical part of what the zelots belive.

Not all Muslims are wacko shira types. Ok with that said here is the info on how these Isis types and their frame of mind. True Muslims don't belive in this stuff.

Here's the article.
Islam Permits Lying to Deceive Unbelievers and Bring World Domination!
Radical Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.

By Don Boys, Ph.D.
KoranWithPrayerBeads
al-Taqiyya:
deception; the islamic word for concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies.

It is impossible to understand Islam and Radical Muslims by listening to their protestations against terror and their proclamations of patriotism for America. Usually, it is wise and fair to give people the benefit of the doubt but when it comes to national safety and the future of America, we had better look twice, even thrice at Radical Muslim patriotism. Why? Because Islam permits lying! It is called “Al-taqiyya.” One Muslim said that Al-taqiyya means dissimulation then he expanded it to diplomacy but he should have gone further to deception. Now some Radical Muslims who do not follow the Koran are as faithful Americans as any of us, but the problem is, we cannot know.

Radical Muslims lie not because they are liars by nature but by choice. Systematic lying as a religious policy is deadly, and if our politicians do not understand this, thousands could die.
It seems our President and his advisors are clueless as to the desires, doctrines, and distinctives of Islam. While I feel a little audacious in giving advice to national leaders, it is necessary since no one else is doing it.Radical Muslims lie not because they are liars by nature but by choice. Systematic lying as a religious policy is deadly, and if our politicians do not understand this, thousands could die.

Radical Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.

Radical Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

Mohammed gave permission for a follower to lie in order to kill a Jewish poet who had offended Mohammed. I could provide many examples of permissible lying from the Koran and Hadith and will do so when my critics accuse me of hatred and bigotry because of this column. My motives are not important but the truth is. However, many unprincipled people do not consider truth important. It is political correctness that sits on the throne to be worshiped.

Radical Muslims may appear very sincere; in fact, they are sincere, when they lie for their own protection or in the cause of Islam. They have permission to lie. Yes, Christians have also lied but never are they given permission to lie. However, a Muslim has no guilt since the Koran and Hadith permit his deception.

Radical Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable.
They will lie to make Islam more attractive to potential converts as they speak of “no compulsion in religion” while all of them know that verse was abrogated by later verses. They will quote verses that speak of tolerance and kindness knowing that those verses were written when Mohammed was desirous of “tolerance and kindness,” but when he climbed into the catbird seat, everything changed and he became a terrorist.

Radical Muslims have no hope for eternal salvation without their good works, so they must keep working to advance Islam. If a few lies will accomplish that goal, then lying is not bad but good. If they can get good publicity for Islam by lying, then lying is acceptable, even desirable. The Muslim is earning his way to heaven by lying to a non-Muslim.

Unlike Christians who are saved once for all by the grace of God through faith in Christ’s propitiatory death, no Muslim knows for sure if his works are good enough for Heaven. The only Muslim who knows for sure that his eternal destiny is secure and he will drop into a delightful garden filled with 72 virgins on soft green cushions is the one who dies while “taking out” unbelievers in Islam.

Most Radical Muslims will not have the “opportunity” to become a martyr in this war between Islam and the rest of the world and make no mistake every true Muslim must be involved in making America (or the nation where he lives) a Muslim nation. Since Muslims are limited in their ability to die for the cause, they can help the cause by supporting terrorists with money, succor, and cover. Sure, they are aiding terror against the U.S. but since they believe they are doing Allah’s will, then any deception is acceptable.

How should this affect America’s war on terror? Officials must look closely at every Muslim chaplain in the military and in our prisons; also look at those involved in the CIA, FBI, and other sensitive areas; look at all Arabic translators, military or civilian; look at all Muslim employees at the Pentagon, White House, atomic power plants, and in Congress; look at all civilian Muslim pilots; look at Muslim clerics in all U.S. mosques. In other words, get serious about this war before our cities are rubble.



you people always seem to forget.... it's not the good ones we worry about...

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Mon 04/04/16 08:53 PM
If I'm a terrorist migrant...sure, I'll sign your "pledge"....big frickin' deal laugh Hell..now I'll live AS one of you...REALLY blend in...right before I blow you to bits....

The key is....don't let me in to begin with.