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Topic: Do you believe in forever?
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Mon 01/03/22 10:50 PM
Now is really not 'now'. What we see as 'now' is in fact in the past.
This is because duration happens from the current state to the 'now' we understand. This duration is our nervous system sensing conditions and sending those signals to our brain which then creates an impression of 'now'.
Technically, in this way, we all live in the past slightly but it is still the past. If the 'now' changes before we can process it, we get confused.
Mind altering drugs, alcohol and brain defects can all lead to confused assessment of 'now'.

Time is a series of static states which change faster than we can detect (like snapshots from a camera). We see time as a fluid motion of progress most of the time.
Since our brains can associate slight changes in those static states we can predict the future in most cases. However, the more distant the prediction from the current detected state, the more likely our predictions will have errors.
When conditions change faster than we can predict we get surprised.

You see a pencil rolling off a table. You predict its future of it falling onto the floor. If a ball hits the pencil as it is falling, it doesn't hit the floor as predicted and we are surprised by that. The predicted series of state changes does not align with the reality. But, if you predict the ball hitting the pencil as it is falling, your prediction is valid and you have predicted the future.

The Past is processed by memory.
The Present is processed by stimuli.
The Future is processed by prediction.

Since the past is processed by memory and memory is more than a record of events, the past is subject to beholder and can be incorrect to actual events.

Some of the predictions of the future involve the memory of the past.

You once saw a pencil roll across a table and fall on the floor. You expect it to do the same thing you witnessed in the past.
When the ball intercepts the predicted outcome, present conditions have changed the future prediction.

The Past, Present and Future are extremely significant in the fact they constitute what we call "Life" or "Living".

Forever (Always) is a construct of our minds which bases in our ability to recognize the future and the past.
Never is also a construct of our minds based on our ability to recognize the past and predict the future.
'Forever' is optimistic and 'Never' is pessimistic.
'Usually' and 'Likely' acknowledges unpredictable events happen.

Hi Tom4Uhere,

Wishing you beautiful New Year!
May this New Year bring you Love, joy and health!
:rose:

Thank you so much for this very interesting analysis and view of the world, and especially on time from this perspective.
I find various fields of sciences as interesting as well.

:rose:

Ryan 's photo
Tue 01/04/22 04:43 AM
in my opinion we have no idea about questions such as infinity when we really have no idea what is up there...and we don't.
Hell, we don't even know what's in our oceans.

Tom4Uhere's photo
Tue 01/04/22 04:45 AM

in my opinion we have no idea about questions such as infinity when we really have no idea what is up there...and we don't.
Hell, we don't even know what's in our oceans.

Infinity isn't a "place" its a "concept".

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Wed 01/05/22 12:29 PM


I had a thought

How would You describe 'Now' without saying the present or vise versa?


The present or now. is a concept based on and reinforced by our own perception as fed to us by our five senses and exactly nothing more than our subjective (or individual) veiwpoint.

the past, present and future are, maybe the same outside of our own senses, and we are concievably existing indefinately in a sort of bizzarre, fantasmagorial kind of medium in which past, present or future have no meaning.

call it eternity or forever if you want.
Just a thought..
:smile:


Forever (Always) is a construct of our minds which bases in our ability to recognize the future and the past.


lol Past, present and future are a constuct of our minds. from my angle, this is much more fun as it allows for existing in a bizzarre timeless fantasmagorial state as well as thinking that a handful of senses and a bunch of neurones isn't biased in its estimation of the significance
of its own internal activity. and therefore the extent of existance.
not that i believe it. just more fun. sort of a Schrödinger's cat approach to time. exept life is the box. :smile:



it seems that no matter how much we chop up eternity in to little bits ie seconds, nano seconds etc we can always chop it further. it doesn't add wieght to the theory of a chain of instances accounting for the nature of existance. We base our standard candle of measurement on the decay of a cesium atom into its isotopes and while it is very clever and useful in the phisical world it is still only a measure (as it were) and a concept imposed on reality, as you observed. not a thing at all.
We'll have to wait until we open the box to find out.:smile:

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Mon 04/11/22 05:32 PM
2 things i don’t believe on: forever and never!

Rod's photo
Mon 04/11/22 08:50 PM
Not with climate change.

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Tue 04/12/22 05:43 AM
My first answer is no. I don't believe in forever. I sometimes doubt myself though when doing laundry.

MicMan's photo
Fri 04/22/22 09:29 AM
Yes Infinity must have a beginning to exist. therefore it has an end.
Cut an infinite string in two and you have two infinite strings. both will have a beginning and an end. It is the space between the ends that is infinite.

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Fri 04/22/22 10:33 AM
In my culture yes.. :slight_smile:

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Mon 04/25/22 01:08 PM
Forever is relative to the observer.
If one can see both the beginning and the end, forever does not exist.

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