I tried to suggest that we all believe in the same God but we just do so through different religions.

But I don't think that's going to fly.

FERAL, DEAR!!!

To rebutt my hypothetical... it is not the sum of my parts, nor is it an evasive excuse for personal observations or behaviors on my part. I too, am glad that the Lord chose The Open Bible Church in West Pittsburg, pastored By Glen and Sandy Biles to be my entrance into the family, as He saw fit to be the witness of my baptism. And as Glen said, the answer of a clear conscience towards God!!

Redirect #1. Yes, God hears all. I'm rather pointing to us, all, any , that WE need a basis point, not the Creator.

Redirect #2. Your answer assumes a qualified and evolved understanding to justify your response. The query I posted is not one of consequence, nor of covenant relationship with God, but rather the point in time where these covenants to man were evolved out of a response from God to the inquisition of man upon God. Where does the coherence begin, and how will it shape itself to whom? Personally, I know that God speaks to my heart and He consistently speaks to me consistent with Biblical Sdripture as that is what I know and study and endeavor to harmonize passage to passage in my life-long pursuit of TRUTH.
But my question is not a personal perplexity. It is one of brevity in contemplation of doctrinal evolution and converssation in the minds of man, and how that may ultimately relate to one consensus for all of mankind as God continues to harmonize our doings.

Redierect #3. Yes, I agree with you on a personal level and rejoice with you in your JOY!!! But you and I have a particular knowledge that is no longer incoherent nor white noise to us, but still, all in all, is QUITE SUBJECTIVE AFTER ALL !!!!! Let's you and I admit it. We're Christ's!! But again, that's not what I was engendering. More so, that when you and I were without Christ, it was white noise and perhaps no better than roof brain chatter to us. Certainly and undeniably it was so for me in my Godless, wild and resolutely self-destructive life of business, pleasure and mayhem. Perhaps you were not privy to the streets, more the blessing on your life, dear one.

But I'm speaking to the early understanding of man and how particular relationships with God, Creator, etc. have evilved over time. Certainly in the Christian world view there is debate as to whether or not our understanding of God is sufficiently complete. Iknow you have somewhat to say, and I already agree. So, let's fast forward to this thought.
Uniquely, Jesus Christ is the only one in the world of man to dare to say that He is God incarnate, and to have sufficiently been believed upon to inmpact the world of man more that all, no doubt. But rather, at what point is God ON HIS LEVEL, not our subjective one, COHERENT TO ALL??? EQUALLY!!!
Do you see my point?


As an example, dear to you and me at the very least, is the evolution of Christianity fron Judaism... and that through one of their own. Aside from that example, even that example is an evolution of earlier understanding of knowledge with wisdom.

Aside from consciences bearing personal witness of right and wrong, I'm more interested in hearing from everyone about te basis for any subjective overview of a God Centric and directed basis for consensual understanding of mutual respect and dignity.

I'm not drawing lines in the sand, nor casting aspersions, but rather interested in US TO US with this and that may or may not include personal spiritual beliefs.

Admittedly, I qouted the Old Testament. But David's words say what I'm saying, and yyes, there is more to his point....but the very question he puts forth is far more intriguing than one generally comprehends!!!

This is to ironic to even share.......Once again I let the anger of you get to me....and boy what I wrote......but once again God intervened and my screen went blank.....So yes abra I do take that as a sign.....to just let it go......

Hi Sherrie

Hi Abra

I've read the "good book" and one thing I remember clearly was,"Above all, gain understanding".
Does this not apply when christians speak to non christians? Does this mean just because we opted to exercise our "free will" we're all heathens?
One thing that is sorely lacking among the religious communities is that basic understanding and I wonder if it's a sign of insecurity in their own faith when they have to constantly attack to defend their beliefs?

and what exactly did 'I' do to you feral?

P.S. to my last post.

David wrote the psalm I quoted, for those that may be uncertain of which quote that I posted was being referenced once again.

PSALM 4:6.

I feel no anger or hostility at my end.

I'm sitting here in complete peace. What's to be angry about?

I tried to suggest that we all worship the same god and just view god in differnet ways.

Is this what sparked anger within you?

Or was it my mention that you seem to be just telling the same standard Christian story over again that I've heard a million times before? That's just the truth Feral, I'm not sure why that should make you angry, it just shows that you have been learning the ways of your religion really well.

Or was it something else I said?

I don’t feel any anger here so I’m at a total loss as to why you should feel anger associated with me.

I personally steer clear of those who claim to be so close to "our" God, yet seem to have a rampant desire to squish everything... so be it...

And just because one refuses to respond to nonsense, such as the mindgames like children play, DOES NOT mean that he/she did not catch or understand the juvenile and implied negative context.

He, in this case, just refused to play.

ABRA, I didn't see your post at 7:10 pm on pg. 3 of this thread when I posted the subsequent one on Isaiah about good and evil....that's interesting that our posts were ether at the time. I could see posts were up, but wasn't reading them at the moment, and since have been listening intently.

What I posted seems to have occured fortuitously and I'm still pondering the gap. My thoughts were elsewhere, and not meant to snipe you.

Irony......

It's quite alright Wouldee. If there were any negative connotations they went right over my head anyway.

It's not necessary that we all share the same views anyway.

I can not quote you any scruptures I do beleive within the seasons of life are path has been chosen for us,, our destiny so to speak is set,, as we grow and learn and waiver off,,, and at times question life as it is,,,, the answers will come,,, as to how Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i still have so many unanswered questions and in my heart I know one day the answers will come

Wouldbe.....sorry for such the delay to reponding to your last post.....but I fell asleep last night and had a few clients this morning....so here goes. By the way thank you for actually posting something that we can take the meat of scripture or our lives and apply it. How funny too I am also with an Open Bible Church in California.


wouldbe wrote:
Redirect #1. Yes, God hears all. I'm rather pointing to us, all, any , that WE need a basis point, not the Creator.

answer: agree 100%

wouldbe wrote:
Redirect #2. Your answer assumes a qualified and evolved understanding to justify your response. The query I posted is not one of consequence, nor of covenant relationship with God, but rather the point in time where these covenants to man were evolved out of a response from God to the inquisition of man upon God. Where does the coherence begin, and how will it shape itself to whom? Personally, I know that God speaks to my heart and He consistently speaks to me consistent with Biblical Sdripture as that is what I know and study and endeavor to harmonize passage to passage in my life-long pursuit of TRUTH.
But my question is not a personal perplexity. It is one of brevity in contemplation of doctrinal evolution and converssation in the minds of man, and how that may ultimately relate to one consensus for all of mankind as God continues to harmonize our doings.

Answer: If I am understanding what you want, I would have to say it started with Adam and Eve., the cration of man Geneisis 1, then the fall of man Genesis 2, the temptation of man, the fall of man and judgement of man all in Genesis 2, then followed by conflicting family lines,the ungodly line of Cain, the Godly line of Seth, the judgement then the flood (Noah), the ungodly destroyed, the godly saved, family lines after the flood, then Abrahamm Isaac to Jacob to Joseph. etc etc

wouldbe wrote:
Redierect #3.Yes, I agree with you on a personal level and rejoice with you in your JOY!!! But you and I have a particular knowledge that is no longer incoherent nor white noise to us, but still, all in all, is QUITE SUBJECTIVE AFTER ALL !!!!! Let's you and I admit it. We're Christ's!! But again, that's not what I was engendering. More so, that when you and I were without Christ, it was white noise and perhaps no better than roof brain chatter to us. Certainly and undeniably it was so for me in my Godless, wild and resolutely self-destructive life of business, pleasure and mayhem. Perhaps you were not privy to the streets, more the blessing on your life, dear one.

Answer: I too have spent many a day and night in the desert being tested.....And thank God even when I wanted to give up on bAnd found the Savior of my life.
myself he would not have any of it.....For his lovingkindness abounds.

Wouldbe wrote:

But I'm speaking to the early understanding of man and how particular relationships with God, Creator, etc. have evilved over time. Certainly in the Christian world view there is debate as to whether or not our understanding of God is sufficiently complete. Iknow you have somewhat to say, and I already agree. So, let's fast forward to this thought.
Uniquely, Jesus Christ is the only one in the world of man to dare to say that He is God incarnate, and to have sufficiently been believed upon to inmpact the world of man more that all, no doubt. But rather, at what point is God ON HIS LEVEL, not our subjective one, COHERENT TO ALL??? EQUALLY!!!
Do you see my point?

Answer: I feel that its always been a battle with people believing or not believing what they can physically see in front of them. And to try and explain faith is something that just is.....you can't make someone else either have it or understand it.

Now if I am understanding the second point of this question. I would have to say......I don't put God or Christ on any same level....God is the Father Christ is the son and the Holy Spirit.....all God all in one. Now I myself believe that as the trinity is no where in doctrine that that was something man came up with to explain to the masses. If that is not correct or you have a different view..I would love to hear it.

wouldbe wrote:
As an example, dear to you and me at the very least, is the evolution of Christianity fron Judaism... and that through one of their own. Aside from that example, even that example is an evolution of earlier understanding of knowledge with wisdom.

answer: agree

wouldbe wrote:

Aside from consciences bearing personal witness of right and wrong, I'm more interested in hearing from everyone about te basis for any subjective overview of a God Centric and directed basis for consensual understanding of mutual respect and dignity.

I'm not drawing lines in the sand, nor casting aspersions, but rather interested in US TO US with this and that may or may not include personal spiritual beliefs.

answer: For me, myself, and I....I don't have a problem with what people believe. If they want to believe they are God, the trees are God etc....well in a sense they are right....but when taken as a whole it also reflects what God the Father hates which is Love No Other God Then Me. When they openly call his word myth, or trash......I will say something to them.....and I think for as long as the Bible has been around there will always be people disputing if its authenic. I also feel that whatever someone wants to believe spiritually is their business.....For me God is, was, and always will be......and for everlasting salvation you must go through Jesus Christ....whom died on the cross for our since that we may have salvation......especially for the Gentiles....that is big to me.

Abra wrote:

The way I see god, she experiences creation through us. She has no agenda beyond creation. Her creation is her agenda.

Answer: This is giving me a thorn in my side....You always refer to god yours as a woman.......Why? Eveerything and anything I have studied on God's name is always masculine.
examples below..........so why are you always referring to him as a her or he as a she.??????

(1) Salvation is through His name (John 1:12).

(2) Believers are to gather in His name (Matt. 18:20).

(3) Prayer is to be made in His name (John 14:13-14).


(1) Elohim: The plural form of EL, meaning “strong one.” It is used of false gods, but when used of the true God, it is a plural of majesty and intimates the trinity. It is especially used of God’s sovereignty, creative work, mighty work for Israel and in relation to His sovereignty (Isa. 54:5; Jer. 32:27; Gen. 1:1; Isa. 45:18; Deut. 5:23; 8:15; Ps. 68:7).

Compounds of El:

* El Shaddai: “God Almighty.” The derivation is uncertain. Some think it stresses God’s loving supply and comfort; others His power as the Almighty one standing on a mountain and who corrects and chastens (Gen. 17:1; 28:3; 35:11; Ex. 6:31; Ps. 91:1, 2).
* El Elyon: “The Most High God.” Stresses God’s strength, sovereignty, and supremacy (Gen. 14:19; Ps. 9:2; Dan. 7:18, 22, 25).
* El Olam: “The Everlasting God.” Emphasizes God’s unchangeableness and is connected with His inexhaustibleness (Gen. 16:13).

(2) Yahweh (YHWH): Comes from a verb which means “to exist, be.” This, plus its usage, shows that this name stresses God as the independent and self-existent God of revelation and redemption (Gen. 4:3; Ex. 6:3 (cf. 3:14); 3:12).

Compounds of Yahweh: Strictly speaking, these compounds are designations or titles which reveal additional facts about God’s character.

* Yahweh Jireh (Yireh): “The Lord will provide.” Stresses God’s provision for His people (Gen. 22:14).

abra wrote:

I feel no anger or hostility at my end.

I'm sitting here in complete peace. What's to be angry about?

I tried to suggest that we all worship the same god and just view god in differnet ways.

Is this what sparked anger within you?

Or was it my mention that you seem to be just telling the same standard Christian story over again that I've heard a million times before? That's just the truth Feral, I'm not sure why that should make you angry, it just shows that you have been learning the ways of your religion really well.

Or was it something else I said?

I don’t feel any anger here so I’m at a total loss as to why you should feel anger associated with

Answer: I would just like the same courtesy as you abra....you can spew your same crap over and over and thats ok...but mine is repeating the standard Christian story over and over again....as yours is saying the standard new age over and over again.....I do get you abra and I also get that we worship and believe in our Gods differently.......I can accept that....But what I don't and won't let you get away with is saying that the Bible is myth, that it is the word of man and not of God....be cause that is a total lack of respect for not only me but for my Father God....

That's his view and he's entitled to it. I happen to share that view as do billions of others on this planet. If you're truly secure in your faith this shouldn't bother you.

http://www.isearchquotations.com/quotes/a_dog_barks_when_his_master_is_atta/564.html


It's funny that so many expect Christians to be silent while the Bible is mocked, but they wouldn't think of remaining quiet if their own beliefs were mocked.

totally 100% agree spider.....I don't care what ppl believe but say my God is a myth....and his word Bible is written by man and not God inspired get ready for battle baby......

Hi Harry... What-up? ....lol...

Ummmm...Everyone IS entitled to their own opinion... I agree...



Does questioned equal mocking?

If someone wants to refer to God as a feminine source... so be it... "no skin off my back"... right?


My natural father once told me...

"The winners write the history books!"

yea well soul that's fine for you.....but it's mocking to my God.....He is not a she....

Hi Micheal, just another day in paradise!

Battle?

No interest in argueing about any of it. Just don't try to sell me your brand of religion...or any other.
You know absolutely nothing of what I believe and it appears you have a need to attack anyone that doesn't believe as you do. Sad really.

and people don't really read....but I will say again.....people can believe whatever they want...I don't have any qualms about that..but when what they believe calls what I believe a myth....then be ready to do battle.