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Topic: What is Fascism?
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Mon 01/30/17 04:33 PM
Paxton, author of several books, including "The Anatomy of Fascism" (Vintage, 2005), said fascism is based more on feelings than philosophical ideas. In his 1988 essay "The Five Stages of Fascism," published in 1998 in the Journal of Modern History, he defined seven feelings that act as "mobilizing passions" for fascist regimes. They are:

1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.

2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.

3.The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.

4.A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."


5.Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."

6.Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.

7."The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.


Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.



Read more at: http://www.livescience.com/57622-fascism.html


do you see us eventually HAVING/EMBRACING a fascist leadership for the purpose of 'NATIONAL' loyalty and strength?





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Mon 01/30/17 06:07 PM
Feeling nothing more than feelings to blind me to the truth thats hard to handle

Denying truth to hold onto my feelings

Fearing to think thoughts that may scramble the handle that I tightly cling too

There is no ceiling when I justify my feelings



Thanks for the clarity msharmonyflowerforyou

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Mon 01/30/17 06:29 PM
What is Fascism?

Easily researched on Google.

Although, doing so tends to be similar to finding a wart and going to Web M.D. where the wart magically turns into superherpecancerplagueosis and you may start seeing it in every mole, ingrown hair, and zit you encounter.

I mean based on the snippets in the OP everything done against native americans is justified as a fight against fascism, and (if we want to fight fascism) we should all be at war with every oriental culture.

do you see us eventually HAVING/EMBRACING a fascist leadership for the purpose of 'NATIONAL' loyalty and strength?

Not without losing a few states to secession.

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Mon 01/30/17 09:56 PM
It's the rule justify by the saints of roman and the roman council.....so any people around here ready to be a saint like leader?drinker

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Mon 01/30/17 11:20 PM
in the real world,, there is a VAST space of options between 'saint' and 'fascist'

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Wed 02/01/17 12:09 AM

in the real world,, there is a VAST space of options between 'saint' and 'fascist'


nope..... to rule the people....to rule your self first....thats how fascist theory goes.......will you? drinker

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Wed 02/01/17 02:43 AM
??

saints are flawless in character

humans can have flaws and still represent more than just themselves,

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Wed 02/01/17 04:27 AM
Edited by IgorFrankensteen on Wed 02/01/17 04:28 AM
In answer to the OP question, I would say "No, not really."

Not because human beings have changed, or have even "learned lessons" from the 1930's. Rather because there are a greater number of powerful forces at work in the US, than there were in the European nations which fell into Fascism in the 30's. Just my sense of things, of course.

The Germans and Italians of then, had each had only a VERY short time operating as unified democracies, before being faced with the cataclysmic events which contributed to them actively choosing despotic fascism. They had only a very few power centers within their societies, and especially in Germany, those powerful people were already used to either knuckling under to central authority, or to being themselves in despotic power.

We have a LOT more power centers here and now, which, although they often PRETEND to have united viewpoints (when it's politically useful to do so), they actually aren't at all unified in purpose. We can see that in the Republican Party right now, with different factions pretending to support all sorts of social concerns (such as anti-abortion and fear of foreigners), but within the party itself, those concerns are secondary at best, to their efforts to eliminate limits to financial manipulation of our economy.

It's ironic, in my view at least, how few people realize that Fascism and Communism are NOT OPPOSITES. They are identical in almost every way, save for who they pretend is in charge, and who they pretend their enemies are.


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Wed 02/01/17 04:30 AM

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saints are flawless in character

humans can have flaws and still represent more than just themselves,


to be saint first ruling the self and thoughs then seek the truth also answer and save the people and guid the people in final. still remeber the Moses and his 10 commandments? that's how saints to be saint.....for roman republic......the security is the most impotant politics of the whole nation. althrough they had become an empire but because of war.......their principle against the Germania....because the people of the Germania are following the god of nature and worship to the evironment it self. but Roman which nation had suufering to much pains by the racism conflict.so the roman wants to enlarger their lands and the city also towns. but how to making their principle be more trustable then that's how fascist theory been created.......to rule the whole nation of republic of Roman the civiliance of Roman should be more civilization first then leading the neibours.....but they had failed......also because of the true humanoid and limited of social science developing level. then the people of Germania fear the anger of the god of forest.....that's how the war started between the Roman and Germania...........

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Wed 02/01/17 11:54 AM
No. But maybe if liberals have their way.:smile:

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Wed 02/01/17 12:04 PM
I feel anti-Trumps are facists (and no I don't like any politicians). They rioted and bullied people to get their way. Example: if Trump is president I will move to Canada (think they closed their borders), death threats to anyone that performed at the inauguration, riots destroying citizens property....all before he even took office. Now we have snowflakes needing play doh and coloring books and Hollywood wanting a strike. Who are they?

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Wed 02/01/17 04:06 PM
hmm, id say people who try to get their way by death threats are more BULLY than fascist

people using their voice to attempt and effect change is one of the greatest parts of the 'rights' in the USA

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Wed 02/01/17 05:04 PM
but, in a democracy, most just use their 'right' to vote or not vote to make a change. Although that "Hope and Change" didn't work so well.happy

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Wed 02/01/17 05:36 PM
this is nothing more then a repackaged anti Trump thread. One of many started recently under different headings.. but the same core meaning.... so obvious.


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Wed 02/01/17 08:05 PM

but, in a democracy, most just use their 'right' to vote or not vote to make a change. Although that "Hope and Change" didn't work so well.happy

it is about the civiliance educational level.....still remember the brexit? some of them even don't get what the hell is brexit but still vote for it and that's the democracy's redigulars side......then thanks for understanding......just like those fascist scholar had did so before......they have no idea what the truth socialty contains was......thus they do belive all people arounds knows it.......then you know what happen then......like some musician paly piano to the bull and wearing the red dress......drinker

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Wed 02/01/17 08:27 PM

hmm, id say people who try to get their way by death threats are more BULLY than fascist

people using their voice to attempt and effect change is one of the greatest parts of the 'rights' in the USA


What would you call what has happened at U C Berkeley today?

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Wed 02/01/17 09:01 PM

but, in a democracy, most just use their 'right' to vote or not vote to make a change. Although that "Hope and Change" didn't work so well.happy


that only impacts changing the who


more is needed to change the what

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Fri 02/03/17 02:29 AM

Paxton, author of several books, including "The Anatomy of Fascism" (Vintage, 2005), said fascism is based more on feelings than philosophical ideas. In his 1988 essay "The Five Stages of Fascism," published in 1998 in the Journal of Modern History, he defined seven feelings that act as "mobilizing passions" for fascist regimes. They are:

1. The primacy of the group. Supporting the group feels more important than maintaining either individual or universal rights.

2. Believing that one's group is a victim. This justifies any behavior against the group's enemies.

3.The belief that individualism and liberalism enable dangerous decadence and have a negative effect on the group.

4.A strong sense of community or brotherhood. This brotherhood's "unity and purity are forged by common conviction, if possible, or by exclusionary violence if necessary."


5.Individual self-esteem is tied up in the grandeur of the group. Paxton called this an "enhanced sense of identity and belonging."

6.Extreme support of a "natural" leader, who is always male. This results in one man taking on the role of national savior.

7."The beauty of violence and of will, when they are devoted to the group's success in a Darwinian struggle," Paxton wrote. The idea of a naturally superior group or, especially in Hitler's case, biological racism, fits into a fascist interpretation of Darwinism.


Once in power, "fascist dictatorships suppressed individual liberties, imprisoned opponents, forbade strikes, authorized unlimited police power in the name of national unity and revival, and committed military aggression," Paxton wrote.



Read more at: http://www.livescience.com/57622-fascism.html


do you see us eventually HAVING/EMBRACING a fascist leadership for the purpose of 'NATIONAL' loyalty and strength?







reminds me of U C's riot. No Free speech allowed

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Fri 02/03/17 09:24 AM
:thumbsup: laugh

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Sat 02/04/17 03:00 AM
fascism to me is an old ideology philosophy governing over the people not similar to meritocracy it just so happens to be an older to have a regime to suppress the vast majority maybe modern day fascism is more so the same in a lot of senses yada yada it can be about suppressing the masses making people live in fear too afraid to express themselves also that vast amounts of wealth is the only entitlement to their opinions it proves nothing I see it as bigger business has the authority over the people that make it possible I amm all up for free trade and capitalism it's just how things are now you just have to adapt and not let yourself become a target 3rd parties on social media comments on a major news outlet to really just need to know what we have and why we have these things we use on a daily if you don't know now you will never know and may not need to know..gasp

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