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Topic: It's time for Trump to kill government funding for the arts
msharmony's photo
Mon 03/13/17 08:56 AM
I am not sure we have ever had a 'balanced' budget because life is too unpredictable,,,,

as far as things having to do with supporting the country, thats akin to a father only sending a check for the basics

its an 'absentee' government, support is about much more than a dollar sign,,,,

msharmony's photo
Mon 03/13/17 08:58 AM
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


not, we the people will provide basic financial support, PERIODD

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Mon 03/13/17 10:05 AM

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


not, we the people will provide basic financial support, PERIODD


and not, we the people will support leftist, biased, un-American and
hate inspired fake art, EITHER

Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 03/13/17 10:10 AM

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


not, we the people will provide basic financial support, PERIODD


We the People of the United States

In any scenario the funding only comes from We The People. Even corporations are comprised of We The People.

establish Justice

Not Rule Justice. Not Support Justice... Establish it. I establish laws in my own house and none of them require money. Sometimes, money is required to enforce those laws but not to establish them.

insure domestic Tranquility

Insuring Domestic Tranquility also require no money. The Federal Government does not insure Domestic Tranquility, the States do thru their communities. Again, no money is needed from the Federal Government.

provide for the common defense

The key word to note is FOR. Provide FOR the common defense. Not to Provide the Common Defense. Provide FOR is to make the option available. To coordinate if need be. While the coordination may require some funding to operate the defense is actually being paid by the citizen in every state. Thus the States pay for the common defense and the Federal Government only organizes and uses that to protect all its citizens and the integrity of the Nation as a whole.

promote the general Welfare

This one is simple. Promote, not provide. The federal government is a cheering section, the States determine and pay for it.

secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity

Again, Very little money is needed by the federal government to do this.

ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

I can ordain and establish anything I want and it costs me absolutely nothing.

not, we the people will provide basic financial support

To the Federal Government? Why not? The FEDERAL govt needs nothing more than basic financial support. The State is where the people are. Ultimately we all live in the communities. The State government is supposed to be a represntation of the citizens that live in that state.

thats akin to a father only sending a check for the basics

Why don't all fathers send a check for all children's every want or desire?
The laws of our society have established a minimum of a father's finacial requirement to a child. The requirement is that he provide a percentage of finacial support for the welfare of the child. The finacial support of the child is not solely his responsibility. The responsibility of the federal government is not the same as the responibility of an absent father.

support is about much more than a dollar sign

Agree
However, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should not be supporting the people, State government should support its people. The federal government should only be organizing the state's (and therefore, the people's) will.

its an 'absentee' government

The government at the federal level should not be a government of the people in as much as a government of the States. Its like asking one father to be responsible for all children everywhere in the nation. If the government is at the State level, it is like asking a father to be responsible for his specific family.

The Nation is like all the fathers...and mothers of a family getting together and deciding what is best for all of the family. They agree on Uncle Sam to act as a coordinator so agreements wetween them all can be established. If Uncle Bill disagrees, Uncle Sam works with everyone to find an greement that supports the interest of everyone. Everyone gives Uncle Sam funds to provide for all the families the way that they agree on. If Uncle Sam needs a car to make that happen, everyone in the family agrees to buy that car but that car does not belong to Uncle Sam it belongs to the whole family. Just because Uncle Sam wants a limo doesn't mean the family should buy it.
Aunt Charity wants to help their neighbor Mr. Mexico. She asks the family for support and they say no. Uncle Sam agrees with Aunt Charity but cannot help Mr. Mexico because the rest of the family said no.

As for money, Uncle Sam holds the money that the rest of the family gives him. He divides it up and gives it back to them. Uncle Bob only had a dollar this year but Aunt Sue had fifty dollars this year. Uncle Sam gives back equal shares to all family members and keeps one share for his own expenses. All families get more than enough back to support their respective families and do with that money as they see fit. The money is only part of their income, they also have revenue garnered from the widgets they make and the gardens they harvest. The families that are large in number have more revenue so require less of the money Uncle Sam gives them. The smaller families, have less revenue and use more of the money Uncle Sam gives them back. Sometimes Aunt Rose gives some of her surplus money to Uncle Needy's family.

To me, that is not an Absentee Government.


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Mon 03/13/17 10:25 AM


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


not, we the people will provide basic financial support, PERIODD


We the People of the United States

In any scenario the funding only comes from We The People. Even corporations are comprised of We The People.

establish Justice

Not Rule Justice. Not Support Justice... Establish it. I establish laws in my own house and none of them require money. Sometimes, money is required to enforce those laws but not to establish them.

insure domestic Tranquility

Insuring Domestic Tranquility also require no money. The Federal Government does not insure Domestic Tranquility, the States do thru their communities. Again, no money is needed from the Federal Government.

provide for the common defense

The key word to note is FOR. Provide FOR the common defense. Not to Provide the Common Defense. Provide FOR is to make the option available. To coordinate if need be. While the coordination may require some funding to operate the defense is actually being paid by the citizen in every state. Thus the States pay for the common defense and the Federal Government only organizes and uses that to protect all its citizens and the integrity of the Nation as a whole.

promote the general Welfare

This one is simple. Promote, not provide. The federal government is a cheering section, the States determine and pay for it.

secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity

Again, Very little money is needed by the federal government to do this.

ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America

I can ordain and establish anything I want and it costs me absolutely nothing.

not, we the people will provide basic financial support

To the Federal Government? Why not? The FEDERAL govt needs nothing more than basic financial support. The State is where the people are. Ultimately we all live in the communities. The State government is supposed to be a represntation of the citizens that live in that state.

thats akin to a father only sending a check for the basics

Why don't all fathers send a check for all children's every want or desire?
The laws of our society have established a minimum of a father's finacial requirement to a child. The requirement is that he provide a percentage of finacial support for the welfare of the child. The finacial support of the child is not solely his responsibility. The responsibility of the federal government is not the same as the responibility of an absent father.

support is about much more than a dollar sign

Agree
However, the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT should not be supporting the people, State government should support its people. The federal government should only be organizing the state's (and therefore, the people's) will.

its an 'absentee' government

The government at the federal level should not be a government of the people in as much as a government of the States. Its like asking one father to be responsible for all children everywhere in the nation. If the government is at the State level, it is like asking a father to be responsible for his specific family.

The Nation is like all the fathers...and mothers of a family getting together and deciding what is best for all of the family. They agree on Uncle Sam to act as a coordinator so agreements wetween them all can be established. If Uncle Bill disagrees, Uncle Sam works with everyone to find an greement that supports the interest of everyone. Everyone gives Uncle Sam funds to provide for all the families the way that they agree on. If Uncle Sam needs a car to make that happen, everyone in the family agrees to buy that car but that car does not belong to Uncle Sam it belongs to the whole family. Just because Uncle Sam wants a limo doesn't mean the family should buy it.
Aunt Charity wants to help their neighbor Mr. Mexico. She asks the family for support and they say no. Uncle Sam agrees with Aunt Charity but cannot help Mr. Mexico because the rest of the family said no.

As for money, Uncle Sam holds the money that the rest of the family gives him. He divides it up and gives it back to them. Uncle Bob only had a dollar this year but Aunt Sue had fifty dollars this year. Uncle Sam gives back equal shares to all family members and keeps one share for his own expenses. All families get more than enough back to support their respective families and do with that money as they see fit. The money is only part of their income, they also have revenue garnered from the widgets they make and the gardens they harvest. The families that are large in number have more revenue so require less of the money Uncle Sam gives them. The smaller families, have less revenue and use more of the money Uncle Sam gives them back. Sometimes Aunt Rose gives some of her surplus money to Uncle Needy's family.

To me, that is not an Absentee Government.




Amen

msharmony's photo
Mon 03/13/17 10:27 AM
yes, and the state tells the father, and adults in general, what they are responsible for where their children are concerned, through neglect laws and child support laws,,,,etc,,

states laws without oversight, didnt work too well when we tried the before, at least for certain people,,,



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Mon 03/13/17 10:50 AM
Edited by alleoops on Mon 03/13/17 10:54 AM

yes, and the state tells the father, and adults in general, what they are responsible for where their children are concerned, through neglect laws and child support laws,,,,etc,,

states laws without oversight, didnt work too well when we tried the before, at least for certain people,,,



Pretty lame.yawn

soufiehere's photo
Mon 03/13/17 11:06 AM

Pretty lame.yawn

Not nearly as lame as this:

and not, we the people will support leftist, biased, un-American and
hate inspired fake art, EITHER

Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 03/13/17 11:08 AM
states laws without oversight

The federal government is not the oversight committee.
Oversight must be maintained by the people.
The people are represented by the State.
All the states together are represented by the federal government.

If Aunt Chasity requires that her children abstain from sex until they are married Uncle Sam has no say in the matter. If Aunt Chasity's son, Stud has sex someone and isn't married that is Aunt Chasity's issue to deal with not Uncle Sam's. If Aunt Chasity chooses not to deal with that issue it is her prerogative.

Aunt Beauty wants to have her children practice the arts. She places much importance on art and thinks it should be everywhere. Aunt Blind say no way. Uncle Sam should not be dictating what Aunt Blind has her kids do any more that what Aunt Beauty doesn't have them do. It doesn't matter what Uncle Sam wants. Its only going to matter if all the family wants it. Only the members of the family that want to adopt Aunt Beauty's art initiative should have the ability to do so. Those that don't want to also have the ability not to.

When Uncle Sam tells Aunt Blind she must adopt the art initiative it causes dissent and rebellion and Uncle Sam's job is to promote harmony in the family. When he fails to promote that harmony, he should be fired on the spot and a new family member takes his place. Eventually Uncle Just will be in his position, then the real changes will occur.

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Mon 03/13/17 11:26 AM
Edited by alleoops on Mon 03/13/17 11:27 AM


Pretty lame.yawn

Not nearly as lame as this:

and not, we the people will support leftist, biased, un-American and
hate inspired fake art, EITHER



Nor as lame as this:

Art is as important as war.

tongue2


yellowrose10's photo
Mon 03/13/17 11:31 AM
As a retired dance teacher, I love the arts but I know that is fluff and 2nd to other important issues

msharmony's photo
Mon 03/13/17 01:51 PM

states laws without oversight

The federal government is not the oversight committee.
Oversight must be maintained by the people.
The people are represented by the State.
All the states together are represented by the federal government.

If Aunt Chasity requires that her children abstain from sex until they are married Uncle Sam has no say in the matter. If Aunt Chasity's son, Stud has sex someone and isn't married that is Aunt Chasity's issue to deal with not Uncle Sam's. If Aunt Chasity chooses not to deal with that issue it is her prerogative.

Aunt Beauty wants to have her children practice the arts. She places much importance on art and thinks it should be everywhere. Aunt Blind say no way. Uncle Sam should not be dictating what Aunt Blind has her kids do any more that what Aunt Beauty doesn't have them do. It doesn't matter what Uncle Sam wants. Its only going to matter if all the family wants it. Only the members of the family that want to adopt Aunt Beauty's art initiative should have the ability to do so. Those that don't want to also have the ability not to.

When Uncle Sam tells Aunt Blind she must adopt the art initiative it causes dissent and rebellion and Uncle Sam's job is to promote harmony in the family. When he fails to promote that harmony, he should be fired on the spot and a new family member takes his place. Eventually Uncle Just will be in his position, then the real changes will occur.



the government is OF BY AND FOR the people,,,


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Mon 03/13/17 01:54 PM
and with t5he election of Trump, the people have spoken.

msharmony's photo
Mon 03/13/17 01:58 PM

and with t5he election of Trump, the people have spoken.



the electoral college has spoken, the people (majority) said hell to the nolaugh


I never read where the electoral college was of the people, by the people or for the people anyhow,,,,

my topic was government

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Mon 03/13/17 02:11 PM


and with t5he election of Trump, the people have spoken.



the electoral college has spoken, the people (majority) said hell to the nolaugh


I never read where the electoral college was of the people, by the people or for the people anyhow,,,,

my topic was government


Yea, the 4 million or so votes came from California too. Go figure.
No illegal voting going on there.
laugh

msharmony's photo
Mon 03/13/17 02:17 PM
still none uncovered, certainly not 4 million or anywhere in the country that ball park is in,,,,

like the kenyan birth certificate and wire tapping though; who needs stinking proof when the emperor declares it to be true,,,,laugh

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Mon 03/13/17 04:56 PM
well as much as I would hate to do it. I would give up my 4 dogs playing poker on velvet painting.

msharmony's photo
Mon 03/13/17 05:01 PM
so donate them to charity maybe?

I wouldn't give up art as a part of our culture , part that inspires creativity and vision,, at least as much as the basic R's ever could,let alone how it trains the mind to see beyond the merely tangible to the spiritual and emotional

the skill that allows us to recognize each other as HUMAN

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Mon 03/13/17 05:34 PM

so donate them to charity maybe?

I wouldn't give up art as a part of our culture , part that inspires creativity and vision,, at least as much as the basic R's ever could,let alone how it trains the mind to see beyond the merely tangible to the spiritual and emotional

the skill that allows us to recognize each other as HUMAN


Yes, have been trying. I would have to get it off of the laser beam encircled alarmed pedestal that I have it on in my garage ( next to the Van Gogh) and that takes time and a fast hand.

But someday I will part with it.. and do my part. I swear.

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