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yes, which is why I didnt call anyone A racist
I only explained that a behavior or action was a racist one,, |
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Jumping To FINAL Conclusions, Gossiping, Labelling Those are 3 very different things. What is the main reason/s behind people jumping to final conclusions ? Natural law? Coming to conclusions more quickly means quicker decisions and behavior. The concept of "better to ask forgiveness than permission" is based on it. Or "A poor plan well executed is better than a perfect plan not executed at all." People naturally jump to conclusions based on the information they have. They stick with or maintain those conclusions, even in the face of contradictory evidence, for all sorts of different reasons. Other than that, this thread is ironic, as it's practicing exactly what it seems to be asking. Like "why do people keep calling others nerds? Is it because they are jocks? Is it because they are retarded? Is it because they are racists? Is it because they are trash?" 1. I agree on your theory of natural law. I did't think of that one but its a very feasible explanation 2. My thread is not ironic as I am extolling the virtues of asking more deductive questions before coming to fixed conclusions and I proceeded to exemplify that by asking at the end of the OP about other reasons people could come up with apart from my own, which means that I did not come to a fixed conclusion. Did you read the option I labelled "E", at the end of the OP ... Did you understand it? The thread is about asking questions before settling on FIXED conclusions . There are 5 questions about about possible answers, so what part of the thread was ironic to you? (Ya see how I did that Tom? I examined something you did , I asked questions , and I didn't jump to a FIXED conclusion about you, just like I was advocating in my thread 
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I say at the start that the example about race is out of place, as the definition of racist is decisions acquired based only about race. There are racist decisions, but calling someone a RACIST is a different level because our culture assigns to that word the character of a monster, which is not always true,but people shy away from the label anyhow due to that connection. None of us is perfect and we all have our own mind. Within it, we form many views and opinions, often, these can be prejudices. Whilst kept in the mind they remain just that, prejudices. Now often these prejudices can be around issues of gender, sexual orientation, religion and racial differences, to name a few. These views can change through investigation, research, discussion etc or they can be held dear to the individual. Now whilst these prejudices are kept to oneself, they'll likely be only of detriment to the one holding them. However, once acted upon, whether physically or verbally, they have the ability to cause others offence or even harm. When someone acts upon their racial prejudices, that might be attack or avoidance, they are indulging in racism and can be rightly deemed racist. Yes, we all come to conclusions based on how we each individually process actions/information. |
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I have learned that people are going to think and say whatever they think and say.
I used to hang around with my brother a lot or a male cousin. People thought i was cheating on one with the other. I didn't date for a long time because i was afraid of men. People decided i either thought i was too good or a lesbian keeping it hidden. I've learned to simply live my life. If people have nothing better to do than talk about me, they must be reeeally bored |
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I say at the start that the example about race is out of place, as the definition of racist is decisions acquired based only about race. There are racist decisions, but calling someone a RACIST is a different level because our culture assigns to that word the character of a monster, which is not always true,but people shy away from the label anyhow due to that connection. None of us is perfect and we all have our own mind. Within it, we form many views and opinions, often, these can be prejudices. Whilst kept in the mind they remain just that, prejudices. Now often these prejudices can be around issues of gender, sexual orientation, religion and racial differences, to name a few. These views can change through investigation, research, discussion etc or they can be held dear to the individual. Now whilst these prejudices are kept to oneself, they'll likely be only of detriment to the one holding them. However, once acted upon, whether physically or verbally, they have the ability to cause others offence or even harm. When someone acts upon their racial prejudices, that might be attack or avoidance, they are indulging in racism and can be rightly deemed racist. I agree with everything the both of you said. :) Nice to see you and Funkyjunkie agreeing on something Mightymoe  But just to remind the both of you, and all the respondents in the thread, the OP was not about racism. It was about asking critical questions about EVERY scenario before coming to a fixed conclusion . |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 03/23/17 08:41 PM
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to dreamer
they have boring lives or,, you are very interesting,,,,, 
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I say at the start that the example about race is out of place, as the definition of racist is decisions acquired based only about race. There are racist decisions, but calling someone a RACIST is a different level because our culture assigns to that word the character of a monster, which is not always true,but people shy away from the label anyhow due to that connection. None of us is perfect and we all have our own mind. Within it, we form many views and opinions, often, these can be prejudices. Whilst kept in the mind they remain just that, prejudices. Now often these prejudices can be around issues of gender, sexual orientation, religion and racial differences, to name a few. These views can change through investigation, research, discussion etc or they can be held dear to the individual. Now whilst these prejudices are kept to oneself, they'll likely be only of detriment to the one holding them. However, once acted upon, whether physically or verbally, they have the ability to cause others offence or even harm. When someone acts upon their racial prejudices, that might be attack or avoidance, they are indulging in racism and can be rightly deemed racist. I agree with everything the both of you said. :) Nice to see you and Funkyjunkie agreeing on something Mightymoe But just to remind the both of you, and all the respondents in the thread, the OP was not about racism. It was about asking critical questions about EVERY scenario before coming to a fixed conclusion . Hey, it's not the first tome we've agreed on something, it's the second.  
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When people chat about you behind your back. It says more about them than it does about you.
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its a semantic argument as discrimination and prejudice ALSO have more than one definition this is why I try to include the CONTEXT in which I use a word that may be considered volatile  With regard to semantics, Ive never seen any definition of racist which examines any racially motivated decision INDEPENDENTLY of an effect equating injustice or degradation. But what matters is that you have identified such a definition, and its real to you. Feel free to send a link of that definition if you are ever so inclined. |
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to dreamer they have boring lives or,, you are very interesting,,,,,
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as to the rest, I think there are logical conclusions and conclusions that people 'jump to' we are presented with variables and do our best to define them. Doing our best to define a situation involves asking some critical questions and entertaining a range of possibilies. Because many people dont do that, I really dont think we doing our best to define most scenarios. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 03/23/17 09:52 PM
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http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racist
there is the noun racist to describe a person, which I do not use there is an adjective as well that describes an action,,which I do use there are many 'small' things we learn to correlate to race that are more complex than race,, for example , people may not find wider noses or thicker lips attractive, so they decide and condition themselves over and over that they arent attracted to 'black' people,, when in reality, 'black people' have many other potential features,,,,, these are the small 'racist' correlations we are taught to make , so that individuals unique combinations of traits are overlooked for a larger 'racial' stereotype |
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Some people have no life or pitiful ones and want to make something out of nothing. Sad really. Can't change them though I think I understand the essence of what you are saying yellowrose, but with due respect , if millions of people from all over the world are fighting over this issue , then its doubtful that its "nothing" that they are making all this "something" about . |
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http://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/racist there is the noun racist to describe a person, which I do not use there is an adjective as well that describes an action,,which I do use there are many 'small' things we learn to correlate to race that are more complex than race,, for example , people may not find wider noses or thicker lips attractive, so they decide and condition themselves over and over that they arent attracted to 'black' people,, when in reality, 'black people' have many other potential features,,,,, these are the small 'racist' correlations we are taught to make , so that individuals unique combinations of traits are overlooked for a larger 'racial' stereotype I appreciate you sending the link Ms H It used words like prejudice, discrimination and superiority. The words "prejudice" and "discrimination", when defined, touched on issues of being unjust to other races, having notions based on race ALONE, as opposed to logic beyond race,and it also touched on the concept of deeming one's race as superior. I offered 4 examples on page 1, that illustrated no provable signs of being unjust to other races, showed logical reasons beyond the race issue for their choice, and show no real evidence of them deeming their race superior. And although I agree with you that there are small 'racist' correlations we are taught to make ,including misguided notions about racial features, none of the 4 examples I offered had anything to do withphysical features or any misguided notions about race. This just reinforces my point that more critical questioning has to take place before we arrive at fixed conclusions about people OR their actions. |
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I say at the start that the example about race is out of place, as the definition of racist is decisions acquired based only about race. There are racist decisions, but calling someone a RACIST is a different level because our culture assigns to that word the character of a monster, which is not always true,but people shy away from the label anyhow due to that connection. None of us is perfect and we all have our own mind. Within it, we form many views and opinions, often, these can be prejudices. Whilst kept in the mind they remain just that, prejudices. Now often these prejudices can be around issues of gender, sexual orientation, religion and racial differences, to name a few. These views can change through investigation, research, discussion etc or they can be held dear to the individual. Now whilst these prejudices are kept to oneself, they'll likely be only of detriment to the one holding them. However, once acted upon, whether physically or verbally, they have the ability to cause others offence or even harm. When someone acts upon their racial prejudices, that might be attack or avoidance, they are indulging in racism and can be rightly deemed racist. Yes, we all come to conclusions based on how we each individually process actions/information. Agreed Funkyjunkie and this thread is not referring to mere conclusions. It is referring to FIXED conclusions without sufficient questioning |
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I have learned that people are going to think and say whatever they think and say. I used to hang around with my brother a lot or a male cousin. People thought i was cheating on one with the other. I didn't date for a long time because i was afraid of men. People decided i either thought i was too good or a lesbian keeping it hidden. I've learned to simply live my life. If people have nothing better to do than talk about me, they must be reeeally bored Wow Dream ! Those people were horribly unfair to you, but you overcame We definitely cant control the conclusions that people jump to , but I'm sure your experience taught you to ask alot more questions before making a fixed judgment about others :) |
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I have learned that people are going to think and say whatever they think and say. I used to hang around with my brother a lot or a male cousin. People thought i was cheating on one with the other. I didn't date for a long time because i was afraid of men. People decided i either thought i was too good or a lesbian keeping it hidden. I've learned to simply live my life. If people have nothing better to do than talk about me, they must be reeeally bored Wow Dream ! Those people were horribly unfair to you, but you overcame We definitely cant control the conclusions that people jump to , but I'm sure your experience taught you to ask alot more questions before making a fixed judgment about others :) Yes. I have learned to look at the whole picture and to help others not jump to unfounded conclusions |
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When people chat about you behind your back. It says more about them than it does about you. I agree funkyjunkie, but it still hurts and it can lead to loss of employment , relationships, futire opportunities etc when gossiping is taken to the extreme. |
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I have learned that people are going to think and say whatever they think and say. I used to hang around with my brother a lot or a male cousin. People thought i was cheating on one with the other. I didn't date for a long time because i was afraid of men. People decided i either thought i was too good or a lesbian keeping it hidden. I've learned to simply live my life. If people have nothing better to do than talk about me, they must be reeeally bored Wow Dream ! Those people were horribly unfair to you, but you overcame We definitely cant control the conclusions that people jump to , but I'm sure your experience taught you to ask alot more questions before making a fixed judgment about others :) Yes. I have learned to look at the whole picture and to help others not jump to unfounded conclusions Cheers to that !
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Humm a lot of the excample's you have used I have seen happen more then once. My brother is 4 years older then I'm. I was his shadow no telling what some would have to say now days. Back then people did not seem so quick to judge or they just keep their mouths shut one and minded their own business... As far as reason's why they seem to I think you pretty much covered them all pretty good... I say all above~~~ You brought up a good point TXGAL. Even if we have fore-gone conclusions in our minds, at least we could keep it to ourselves until we ask a few questions and consider some other viable conclusions. Ouvertly labelling or gossiping about those foregone conclusions are so unfair , and sometimes downright dangerous Yet, previously it was deemed improper for a young woman to meet a man without a chaperone present. Have we gone full circle? Oh yeah! That tradition died along time ago in most developped countries. Thank God!
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