The good news is that the few people who are idle enough to read through this dissertation of a thread ,will be afforded more than one credible viewpoint for this very complex topic. And I have to give you props for your large contribution to that Ms H.

Hopefully some might be enocouraged to dig a little deeper before coming to a final verdict on any issue.

I dont always agree with what you say but I have a better understanding of why you say it , and sometimes understanding and respect are way more important than agreement

And I have mad respect for you mama!
Thanks again

Oops ! I jumped to a conclusion without asking questions.
Sorry yellowrose

And you are right, sometimes the gossipers and labellers really seem like they have nothing better to do

Since there are 6 pages of 1 little example....I will say I agree with your point on that peggy. You put it so eloquently

Do you have an example of this david? Im not sure if I understand your context

Thanks yellowrose.The 6 gallons of wine I drank, really helped

I say at the start that the example about race is out of place, as the definition of racist is decisions acquired based only about race. There are racist decisions, but calling someone a RACIST is a different level because our culture assigns to that word the character of a monster, which is not always true,but people shy away from the label anyhow due to that connection.

as to the rest,


someone patting someone on the head is not evidence of sex
walking with people is not evidence sex is occurring
not having sex is not evidence of impotence, but by definition, only abstinence


I think there are logical conclusions and conclusions that people 'jump to'

because it is how our brain works, to find an answer or a solution, we are presented with variables and do our best to define them.


illogical conclusions are usually the result of lazy thinking or intolerance



[/quote and learning how not to jump to conclusions is the failure to learn the art of suspended judgement and the discipline that can teach this is philosophy...

And you didn't share?

If I were to give an example, then I might start a fight.

I understand where you are coming from Sybaritic guy , but reading up all the philosophy in the world , wont stop you from jumping to conclusions if you are drawn to salaciousness, if you are too lazy to ask questions or if you are closeminded about an issue

Once you stay away from the topics of race, religion and politics David, you should be ok :)

It would be great to get an example for me to understand what you are saying

I have a fictional example that comes close for you. But it does edge into racial territory. Bear with me.

In the story/film To Kill A Mockingbird, one of the central subplots,
involves the trial of a black man, who is accused of assaulting a white woman. Towards the end, it becomes clear that what actually happened was that the woman had herself made romantic advances of a sort towards the man, and that her father came in during the situation. Because it was so upsetting to him to face the idea of his daughter going after a black man, he saw it the other way around, as an assault, by the man, rather than him struggling to gently rebuff her advances.

In today's world, there are lots of fanatics of one kind and another, and something similar happens with them. They see things happening in a way that reinforces their fanaticism, in spite of reality, because it feels so very good to them. A blank mind, rewritten with only very simple admonitions, even if they are all negative, can be like a clean place to rest in a messy world. And since most fanatics manage to find similarly self-deluded people, they end up confirming each other's biases over and over.

I see it as a part of my "want to feel on the right track" idea, of course.

Once you stay away from the topics of race, religion and politics David, you should be ok :)

It would be great to get an example for me to understand what you are saying

Stay away from the topics of race, religion and politics? That would be a challenge.

I have a fictional example that comes close for you. But it does edge into racial territory. Bear with me.

In the story/film To Kill A Mockingbird, one of the central subplots,
involves the trial of a black man, who is accused of assaulting a white woman. Towards the end, it becomes clear that what actually happened was that the woman had herself made romantic advances of a sort towards the man, and that her father came in during the situation. Because it was so upsetting to him to face the idea of his daughter going after a black man, he saw it the other way around, as an assault, by the man, rather than him struggling to gently rebuff her advances.

In today's world, there are lots of fanatics of one kind and another, and something similar happens with them. They see things happening in a way that reinforces their fanaticism, in spite of reality, because it feels so very good to them. A blank mind, rewritten with only very simple admonitions, even if they are all negative, can be like a clean place to rest in a messy world. And since most fanatics manage to find similarly self-deluded people, they end up confirming each other's biases over and over.

I see it as a part of my "want to feel on the right track" idea, of course.

how sad that a father would ever want to be right about a daughter being RAPED,,,no matter how questionable or untasteful they found their taste in men,,,,,

Personally I think it's all a little give-and-take... the Op makes a topic..
And everybody contributes..
Adds in their 2 cents... now sometimes conclusions can be drawn..
Right or wrong... but at the end of the day it's really about the open honest..
Banter... that's what I enjoy... sometimes it might just be a matter of the opening post.. clarifying ther opening post... great !now I can't even remember what this topic was about...lol.. hang on a minute while I run all the way back to the top page..lol...ohhh.k... did I ever jump to conclusions on this one..lol.. totally not the topic I thought it was... gossip