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Topic: the left still doesn't understand free speech
mightymoe's photo
Mon 09/04/17 12:44 PM
A Georgia school district apologized after a teacher compared President Trump's slogan to a Swastika and told a student they could not wear their #MAGA shirt to school any more.

"You cannot wear a Swastika to school - you cannot use a slogan like that," the teacher told the student.

The directive was caught on what appeared to be another student's cell phone video, which was obtained by Turning Point USA.

The Cherokee School District outside Atlanta later apologized, saying the student did nothing wrong and that the teacher acted "inappropriately."

The school did not formally identify the teacher, but Turning Point alleged that she is Lyn Orletsky, a mathematics instructor.

Town Hall pointed out Trump is not the first American president to use the phrase in a public way, adding that teachers in the 80s and 90s had no problem with Presidents Reagan and Clinton using it.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/09/04/teacher-tells-student-no-swastika-donald-trump-make-america-great-again-shirt
Reagan made the call to "Make America Great Again" in his 1980 convention speech.

Clinton, who blasted Trump as speaking to "white southerners" when he says "Make America Great Again," used the slogan in 1991, 1992 and as recently as 2008.

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Argo's photo
Mon 09/04/17 02:54 PM
Does this mean i can wear
my Oakland Raiders jersey
to school now ???

Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 09/04/17 04:23 PM
"You cannot wear a Swastika to school - you cannot use a slogan like that,"

Ummm...

So Much for FREEDOM

msharmony's photo
Mon 09/04/17 04:26 PM
FREEDOM in its most absolute sense, has never existed in a 'civilized' society


Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 09/04/17 04:43 PM
Sure it has but what is civilized?
Society determines civilization.
It sets the determination for civilized conduct.
What one society considers civil another may find savage.

The United States preaches freedom yet restricts freedom itself.
There is a name for people like that and most intelligent people don't like them. No wonder most of the world has such a low opinion of the USA.

We even refer to ourselves as Americans like we are the only people entitled to that name.
Well, America is a hemisphere and Mexicans and Canadians and Brazillians and Chilians are also Americans. So are all the other countries that exist on this hemisphere (not to minimize any American).

Just like Egyptians are Africans.

It just irks me when someone says "well, that's the American way" implying that because they are from the USA they are the only Americans.

Our idea of freedom is no more freedom than it is a representation of America. America is not free. Trump is not the American president. America doesn't have a president.

There are societies in America that enjoy a much greater degree of freedom than in the United States. We call them savages because they don't adhere to our rules for society.

msharmony's photo
Mon 09/04/17 04:47 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 09/04/17 04:50 PM
I prefer the balance. I would not want to live in a totally 'free'(Without rules or laws) society nor would I want to live in one that ran to the other extreme of OVER regulating.

animals are totally free, but I do not want to be merely another animal.

as my mom always said 'your freedom ends where my nose begins'
in a country where we are quite often sharing space with other noses, complete freedom would be like partial pregnancy

unattainable,,,

Tom4Uhere's photo
Mon 09/04/17 05:13 PM
Your mom is a smart cookie!

The United States was founded with a decree of what constituted the freedoms we would have.

Personal expression is a freedom that should only be regulated to prevent harm to other people.
Wearing a tee shirt does not harm anyone.
Drawing a gun does not harm anyone. (nor does owning one)

Somewhere along the history of this nation we substituted emotional insecurities to mean bodily harm.

Having ones 'feelings' hurt now constitutes physical violence.

This nation is pussified.

msharmony's photo
Mon 09/04/17 05:18 PM
it can get extreme

but I do support a value being placed on peoples sense of safety and freedom from social persecution,,,or their 'feelings'

school is a place for learning, not fashion trends, so I consider it a privilege that kids wear what they want and not a 'freedom'
certain words and pictures are disruptive, others imply a hostility that creates an environment where others have to be insecure about their safety or their ability to have a freedom from harassment

work is a place for earning, not our social lives, so I consider it a privilege to wear what we want at work, to mingle and 'socialize' at work, and certainly to have cell phones and internet access at work

I think the pendulum just swung too far to the 'let everyone do what they want' side, and when certain unwanted circumstances of that trend began to surface, it began to swing the other way

as societal cultures do,, nothing is new under the sun, we just go from one side to the next and back again

mightymoe's photo
Mon 09/04/17 05:45 PM

FREEDOM in its most absolute sense, has never existed in a 'civilized' society


freedom And free speech are separate ideals... but like the topic says, the left still can't understand free speech...

msharmony's photo
Mon 09/04/17 05:51 PM
free speech does not apply in schools,

free speech applies to congress not abridging speech, not schools not having guidelines for speech/behaviors.

mightymoe's photo
Mon 09/04/17 07:34 PM

free speech does not apply in schools,

free speech applies to congress not abridging speech, not schools not having guidelines for speech/behaviors.
like i said, the left doesn't understand what free speech is...especially when they disagree...how many kids were told not to wear Obama t shirts?

mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/05/17 05:02 AM



free speech does not apply in schools,

free speech applies to congress not abridging speech, not schools not having guidelines for speech/behaviors.
like i said, the left doesn't understand what free speech is...especially when they disagree...how many kids were told not to wear Obama t shirts?
perhaps you would like to explain to everyone what free speech is and what it is not .. From your perspective of course :wink:
it's not my job to teach anyone anyrhing.. if people aren't smart enough to understand what's right in front of them, then they obviously they don't have the mental capacity to ever get it.... right blondy?

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Tue 09/05/17 07:18 AM


free speech does not apply in schools,

free speech applies to congress not abridging speech, not schools not having guidelines for speech/behaviors.
like i said, the left doesn't understand what free speech is...especially when they disagree...how many kids were told not to wear Obama t shirts?


Im not in every classroom across America. There are plenty of poor teachers who try to impose their views on children, liberal and conservative.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/05/17 07:50 AM



free speech does not apply in schools,

free speech applies to congress not abridging speech, not schools not having guidelines for speech/behaviors.
like i said, the left doesn't understand what free speech is...especially when they disagree...how many kids were told not to wear Obama t shirts?


Im not in every classroom across America. There are plenty of poor teachers who try to impose their views on children, liberal and conservative.
ok, fair enougj, but how many kids were told not to wear Obama t shirts?

msharmony's photo
Tue 09/05/17 07:53 AM
I don't know. Probably those in schools with uniform dress codes who cant wear endorsements, or even those without dress codes by teachers who felt it was disruptive to wear political endorsements to the class.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/05/17 07:58 AM

I don't know. Probably those in schools with uniform dress codes who cant wear endorsements, or even those without dress codes by teachers who felt it was disruptive to wear political endorsements to the class.
no one ever did... the left doesn't want racism, but yet they show their racism and then it's pk...

msharmony's photo
Tue 09/05/17 08:01 AM
hypocrites exist on both the left AND the right

mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/05/17 08:07 AM

hypocrites exist on both the left AND the right
more so on the left side ..

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Tue 09/05/17 12:41 PM
As far as teachers go I really do think they should be impartial, but I do wonder how many actually are?
This is a dangerous thing if you get teachers pushing there thoughts and views on to pupils

mightymoe's photo
Tue 09/05/17 12:48 PM





free speech does not apply in schools,

free speech applies to congress not abridging speech, not schools not having guidelines for speech/behaviors.
like i said, the left doesn't understand what free speech is...especially when they disagree...how many kids were told not to wear Obama t shirts?
perhaps you would like to explain to everyone what free speech is and what it is not .. From your perspective of course :wink:
it's not my job to teach anyone anyrhing.. if people aren't smart enough to understand what's right in front of them, then they obviously they don't have the mental capacity to ever get it.... right blondy?
oh this is not about teaching moe .. you start a thread claiming the left do not understand free speech .. yet you yourself are unable or unwilling to discuss what free speech is .. from your enlightened perspective .. hilarious .. carry on tongue2 waving
it's not really what the topic is about, now is it? It's about a trump hating liberal teacher that can't see beyond the meaning of her opinions, and forces it on her students... does the student have a right to wear a pro trump t shirt? Yes, the school board has already said she was wrong... so what are trying to get me to say??? If you can't see how wrong she is, then no explation in the world will do it for you, you just won't get it... and I don't need to waste my time on someone who just wants to argue rather than have a discussion...

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