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Edited by
alleoops
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For eight years, members of the far Right tried to delegitimize the Presidency of Barack Obama by trying to prove that he wasn't constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. it is worth noting that 'racial strife' and 'political division' and 'trillions of debt' have been a part of the American Landscape long before Obama, thanks to human behavior, greed, and ego  Yea, but we weren't sending pallet loads of cash to terrorist countries then either. Iran-Contra? I sure would've loved to see that drug transaction go down here in the states. What drug problem? Sorry, not following... Iran-Contra resulted in actual indictments and trials against multiple people (12 US citizens in total; give or take - can't remember exactly) due to legal violations. The pallet loads of cash memes to Iran during the recent campaign were at most just memes aimed at low-information, emotional, type voters. I'm not aware that anything came from those memes in a legal sense anyway (and I'm not aware of any legal reason that they should). with the difference being, weapons were sent to Nicaragua to fight the Cuban aided communist forces there. The money sent to Iran by Obama? Who knows. Probably sitting on top of a missle in N.Korea ready for launch. The difference was that one act was covert and illegal and resulted in indictments - and the other was a very public flurry of memes that went nowhere except with partisan chicken-hawk politicians... I'll give you credit for being imaginative in tying it in to NK though. =P It had to be covert because the Liberals in Congress, as usual, would not allow any assistance to help fight the Sandanista's. Thankfully, aid was sent to them. Cuba at that time was trying to spread communism in Central America. North Korea and Iran have shared nuclear and missile technology for years. Why would that be a stretch? |
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who cares really.
The winning side has accusations thrown about every election, and they throw their own about. The losing sides and winning sides find 'connections' everywhere to damn their opponent,, HRC is PRIME example of that type of 'witch hunt' sometimes INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITIES have suspicions and get involved where national security might be at issue like IRan Contra, like 'classified' emails, like affairs INSIDE The white house, and like possible collusion to disrupt our political process. ,, nothing to see here. They will ever prove it or not. Maybe, for once, there will be a smoking gun or maybe it will be just another 'I dont recall' absence of anything that can be used. |
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For eight years, members of the far Right tried to delegitimize the Presidency of Barack Obama by trying to prove that he wasn't constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. it is worth noting that 'racial strife' and 'political division' and 'trillions of debt' have been a part of the American Landscape long before Obama, thanks to human behavior, greed, and ego Yea, but we weren't sending pallet loads of cash to terrorist countries then either. Iran-Contra? I sure would've loved to see that drug transaction go down here in the states. What drug problem? Sorry, not following... Iran-Contra resulted in actual indictments and trials against multiple people (12 US citizens in total; give or take - can't remember exactly) due to legal violations. The pallet loads of cash memes to Iran during the recent campaign were at most just memes aimed at low-information, emotional, type voters. I'm not aware that anything came from those memes in a legal sense anyway (and I'm not aware of any legal reason that they should). with the difference being, weapons were sent to Nicaragua to fight the Cuban aided communist forces there. The money sent to Iran by Obama? Who knows. Probably sitting on top of a missle in N.Korea ready for launch. The difference was that one act was covert and illegal and resulted in indictments - and the other was a very public flurry of memes that went nowhere except with partisan chicken-hawk politicians... I'll give you credit for being imaginative in tying it in to NK though. =P Let me see. Wasn't it the government trading guns for drugs to finance a covert back door war. That resulted in Olly receiving a pardon. |
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Yea, I think that was near the end of Bush1. Slick Willy came in and
turned Mena, Arkansas into the cocaine import capital of the US. |
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Edited by
apilgrim
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Tue 10/10/17 01:01 PM
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For eight years, members of the far Right tried to delegitimize the Presidency of Barack Obama by trying to prove that he wasn't constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. it is worth noting that 'racial strife' and 'political division' and 'trillions of debt' have been a part of the American Landscape long before Obama, thanks to human behavior, greed, and ego Yea, but we weren't sending pallet loads of cash to terrorist countries then either. Iran-Contra? I sure would've loved to see that drug transaction go down here in the states. What drug problem? Sorry, not following... Iran-Contra resulted in actual indictments and trials against multiple people (12 US citizens in total; give or take - can't remember exactly) due to legal violations. The pallet loads of cash memes to Iran during the recent campaign were at most just memes aimed at low-information, emotional, type voters. I'm not aware that anything came from those memes in a legal sense anyway (and I'm not aware of any legal reason that they should). with the difference being, weapons were sent to Nicaragua to fight the Cuban aided communist forces there. The money sent to Iran by Obama? Who knows. Probably sitting on top of a missle in N.Korea ready for launch. The difference was that one act was covert and illegal and resulted in indictments - and the other was a very public flurry of memes that went nowhere except with partisan chicken-hawk politicians... I'll give you credit for being imaginative in tying it in to NK though. =P It had to be covert because the Liberals in Congress, as usual, would not allow any assistance to help fight the Sandanista's. Thankfully, aid was sent to them. Cuba at that time was trying to spread communism in Central America. North Korea and Iran have shared nuclear and missile technology for years. Why would that be a stretch? Hah, Liberals, of course. It's a stretch because Iran agreed to end its cooperation with NK as a part of the international nuclear deal and getting that money returned in the first place. Don't get me wrong - anything is possible in the future with the way things are going now in regards to the nuclear deal in-between this administration and Iran. It was just unlikely at that the time and up until now. We'll see if the nuclear deal falls apart or not? |
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Edited by
alleoops
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Tue 10/10/17 03:21 PM
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For eight years, members of the far Right tried to delegitimize the Presidency of Barack Obama by trying to prove that he wasn't constitutionally qualified to serve as POTUS. Now, the shoe is on the other foot. it is worth noting that 'racial strife' and 'political division' and 'trillions of debt' have been a part of the American Landscape long before Obama, thanks to human behavior, greed, and ego Yea, but we weren't sending pallet loads of cash to terrorist countries then either. Iran-Contra? I sure would've loved to see that drug transaction go down here in the states. What drug problem? Sorry, not following... Iran-Contra resulted in actual indictments and trials against multiple people (12 US citizens in total; give or take - can't remember exactly) due to legal violations. The pallet loads of cash memes to Iran during the recent campaign were at most just memes aimed at low-information, emotional, type voters. I'm not aware that anything came from those memes in a legal sense anyway (and I'm not aware of any legal reason that they should). with the difference being, weapons were sent to Nicaragua to fight the Cuban aided communist forces there. The money sent to Iran by Obama? Who knows. Probably sitting on top of a missle in N.Korea ready for launch. The difference was that one act was covert and illegal and resulted in indictments - and the other was a very public flurry of memes that went nowhere except with partisan chicken-hawk politicians... I'll give you credit for being imaginative in tying it in to NK though. =P It had to be covert because the Liberals in Congress, as usual, would not allow any assistance to help fight the Sandanista's. Thankfully, aid was sent to them. Cuba at that time was trying to spread communism in Central America. North Korea and Iran have shared nuclear and missile technology for years. Why would that be a stretch? Hah, Liberals, of course. It's a stretch because Iran agreed to end its cooperation with NK as a part of the international nuclear deal and getting that money returned in the first place. Don't get me wrong - anything is possible in the future with the way things are going now in regards to the nuclear deal in-between this administration and Iran. It was just unlikely at that the time and up until now. We'll see if the nuclear deal falls apart or not? Oh yea, the Obama international nuclear deal That ranks right up there with his Obamacare disaster. You know, one of those, we'll have to pass it before we know whats in it nuclear deals. Trump will trash the deal as it should. |
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and look at what the unqualified POS did to our great nation... racial strife, political division, 20 trillion dollars in debt... thanks to the lying left... Do you really believe that? From where I live and work things have gone downhill drastically this past year (even in things like the partisan rhetoric you used to say that). I'm curious what you base your opinion on and why there is such a vast disparity in how 45 supporters view the country and everyone else? |
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Russian collusion has just as much 'evidence' as any of the aforementioned, according to the same 'intelligence' communities who presented their concerns and suspicions. Exactly the opposite. Every intel head including the DNI(Director of National Intelligence) testified they so no evidence of collusion. I guess you have better sources? The intelligence community wouldn't have anything to say legally as far as collusion goes... That's a legal, domestic matter (which law enforcement, usually the FBI, would take lead on) or a congressional impeachment matter (or a combination of both). US intelligence agencies neither blankly operate within the domestic US nor enforce any domestic law on citizens or those who normally reside within the US. That said though, intelligence community heads have publicly stated that Russian interference occurred in multiple ways. The specific question regarding collusion between the campaign and Russia is a legal matter though; we'll have to wait on hearing about - and so far Mueller isn't talking and the two congressional investigations have mostly gone non-public. What are you talking about? Russia collusion is not a domestic affair, it is between Trump and a foreign entity which the CIA,NSA and DNI have jurisdiction. Secondly The FBI, CIA and DNI have already Testified on this issue in public hearings so your statement that the intelligence agencies wouldn't have anything to say about it is False. |
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As people point out every time a new president comes in...it is the fall out of the previous. Trump hasn't even been in office for a year. Obama caused more racial division than anyone Not even a year in, dealing with 8 yrs....come on We see and understand that, but try and get them to see    yes. all sides do the 'its someone elses fault' and yes, having a BLACK PRESIDENT did force a spotlight on the previously hidden racial division, more than the status quo white leader does. |
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As people point out every time a new president comes in...it is the fall out of the previous. Trump hasn't even been in office for a year. Obama caused more racial division than anyone Not even a year in, dealing with 8 yrs....come on We see and understand that, but try and get them to see yes. all sides do the 'its someone elses fault' and yes, having a BLACK PRESIDENT did force a spotlight on the previously hidden racial division, more than the status quo white leader does. obviously 'racial happenings' are a foundation of America And Obama was a male, and a black person, and a husband, and a father, and many things that DESCRIBE him, as well as President. The obvious difference between him and ALL The presidents before him during times of 'racial happenings' is that he was BLACK. and suddenly others started to notice 'racial happenings' and blaming them on him. 
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Iran-Contra is just one example among hundreds that the US has influenced political outcomes in foreign countries. We had covert CIA help for the mujahideen in Afghanistan to get rid of the Russians back in the 70's and 80's.Remember Panama? These are just a couple that involved covert military use. There are hundreds more that involve money,blackmail,propaganda, assassinations etc. that are not public knowledge.
The point being that these Congressmen on these select and intel committees know a lot more then we do and act surprised and outraged that anyone would try to influence our political process is laughable! Russia is probably funding groups like ANTIFA and BlacklivesMatter among others that cause division and strife in our country. But will they investigate these groups and where they get their money publicly? NO! This whole public display of a Russian meddling scandal is a deep state political scam plain and simple. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 10/11/17 07:42 AM
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yes, yes, anything that could touch the Emperor in a negative light is just a scam of those who are so 'scared' of the difference he is going to make, or 'fake news'
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yes, yes, anything that could touch the Emperor in a negative light is just a scam of those who are so 'scared' of the difference he is going to make, or 'fake news' It may be more about the deep state protecting one of their own(Hillary)from such embarrassment and also trying to maintain a fake legitimacy after such a historical loss. |
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yes, yes, anything that could touch the Emperor in a negative light is just a scam of those who are so 'scared' of the difference he is going to make, or 'fake news' It may be more about the deep state protecting one of their own(Hillary)from such embarrassment and also trying to maintain a fake legitimacy after such a historical loss. those who elected the POTUS care two cents about 'fake legitimacy', or he wouldnt be there ... and the loss wouldn't be 'historical' |
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yes, yes, anything that could touch the Emperor in a negative light is just a scam of those who are so 'scared' of the difference he is going to make, or 'fake news' It may be more about the deep state protecting one of their own(Hillary)from such embarrassment and also trying to maintain a fake legitimacy after such a historical loss. those who elected the POTUS care two cents about 'fake legitimacy', or he wouldnt be there ... and the loss wouldn't be 'historical' Your right, those who elected Trump don't care about the deep states legitimacy, just the opposite. And it was a historical loss for the Dems and the deep state. |
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yes, yes, anything that could touch the Emperor in a negative light is just a scam of those who are so 'scared' of the difference he is going to make, or 'fake news' It may be more about the deep state protecting one of their own(Hillary)from such embarrassment and also trying to maintain a fake legitimacy after such a historical loss. those who elected the POTUS care two cents about 'fake legitimacy', or he wouldnt be there ... and the loss wouldn't be 'historical' Your right, those who elected Trump don't care about the deep states legitimacy, just the opposite. And it was a historical loss for the Dems and the deep state. it was a historical loss POSSIBLY because of 'deep state' investigation into Hilarys emails,, but Trumpers dont care about THAT so much .... |
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Edited by
Serchin4MyRedWine
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Wed 10/11/17 08:15 AM
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yes, yes, anything that could touch the Emperor in a negative light is just a scam of those who are so 'scared' of the difference he is going to make, or 'fake news' It may be more about the deep state protecting one of their own(Hillary)from such embarrassment and also trying to maintain a fake legitimacy after such a historical loss. those who elected the POTUS care two cents about 'fake legitimacy', or he wouldnt be there ... and the loss wouldn't be 'historical' Your right, those who elected Trump don't care about the deep states legitimacy, just the opposite. And it was a historical loss for the Dems and the deep state. it was a historical loss POSSIBLY because of 'deep state' investigation into Hilarys emails,, but Trumpers dont care about THAT so much .... Well don't want to get off topic, but I guess Hillary's email scandal is a prime example of the deep state protecting one of their own. Everyone knows what Hillary did was criminal, deleting 30,000 emails that were under subpoena, keeping classified data on an unsecured server and emailing secret data. The only thing that kept her from facing jail time is Comey. It was his OPINION that she didn't have the INTENT to break the law. It is interesting that the statue for that crime does not say anything about INTENT. You or I would be in jail now if we did the same. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 10/11/17 08:19 AM
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yes, yes, anything that could touch the Emperor in a negative light is just a scam of those who are so 'scared' of the difference he is going to make, or 'fake news' It may be more about the deep state protecting one of their own(Hillary)from such embarrassment and also trying to maintain a fake legitimacy after such a historical loss. those who elected the POTUS care two cents about 'fake legitimacy', or he wouldnt be there ... and the loss wouldn't be 'historical' Your right, those who elected Trump don't care about the deep states legitimacy, just the opposite. And it was a historical loss for the Dems and the deep state. it was a historical loss POSSIBLY because of 'deep state' investigation into Hilarys emails,, but Trumpers dont care about THAT so much .... Well don't want to get off topic, but I guess Hillary's email scandal is a prime example of the deep state protecting one of their own. Everyone knows what Hillary did was criminal, deleting 30,000 emails that were under subpoena, keeping classified data on an unsecured server and emailing secret data. The only thing that kept her from facing jail time is Comey. It was his OPINION that she didn't have the INTENT to break the law. It is interesting that the statue for that crime does not say anything about INTENT. You or I would be in jail now if we did the same. thank you for proving my point trumpers 'know' what Hilary did from the same 'deep state' corrupt source that is trying to tell them their suspicions about Trump The same 'deep state' sources that held a press conference to say they couldnt find anything SHE did that was illegal ... (sound familiar?) Whether the system is something Corrupt or not, Hilary and Trump were and are BOTH a part of it, whether Trumpers choose to admit it or not. He supported her himself, until he ran against her. |
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as a dedicated reader and somewhat sporadic commentator in the political threads for the past 4 years...i would like to offer this comment, which i have seen countless times, no matter what the topic/subject happens to be... if i may paraphrase just a bit.... *******its ALL Trumps fault****** lol. No, its not all ANY one persons 'fault' As Americans, it would behoove us to focus more on all the areas of RESPONSIBLITY that need to break down for certain problems to become problems and the reality that no ONE person will ever successfully be found to have all the control over those things, let alone all the 'responsibility' and therefore all of the 'fault' That's right: We can't blame Trump, he made every effort prove he was disqualified while campaigning.
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Iran-Contra is just one example among hundreds that the US has influenced political outcomes in foreign countries. We had covert CIA help for the mujahideen in Afghanistan to get rid of the Russians back in the 70's and 80's.Remember Panama? These are just a couple that involved covert military use. There are hundreds more that involve money,blackmail,propaganda, assassinations etc. that are not public knowledge. The point being that these Congressmen on these select and intel committees know a lot more then we do and act surprised and outraged that anyone would try to influence our political process is laughable! Russia is probably funding groups like ANTIFA and BlacklivesMatter among others that cause division and strife in our country. But will they investigate these groups and where they get their money publicly? NO! This whole public display of a Russian meddling scandal is a deep state political scam plain and simple.
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