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Topic: Armageddon is it Literal or Spiritual?
mich111111 Joined Wed 03/02/16 Posts: 135	Tue 03/13/18 11:30 PM
Reality is all the stuff you experience in life and it doesn't care what you super-impose on it to make your own sense of it all. It doesn't matter if its the Bible, the Necronomicon or The World of Warcraft. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it reality. Reality is just reality. It doesn't have passion or foreboding. Those are entirely personal aspects people assign to reality to cope. Reality is harsh and sharp. It persists even when we don't want it to. Its in the moment, every moment, whether we can handle it or not. Most people can't. They twist their perceptions of reality to fit they're own agendas, or the agenda of the belief system they adopt. Then they try to live in the future or past, based on those beliefs, instead of embracing the reality in the moment of now. They substitute reality, when they can, to fit those beliefs. Then they ignore reality when it doesn't. Reality exists whether they can justify it or not because, well, its reality. My friend the problem is that you cannot answered it because you believed in a literal war in Israel, and because of your years believing that, is hard to accept what the Bible teached. So simple truth. God say adore me in SPIRIT and TRUTH. that is the difference.

mich111111 Joined Wed 03/02/16 Posts: 135	Tue 03/13/18 11:43 PM Edited by mich111111 on Tue 03/13/18 11:46 PM
Just my opinion, based on my studies of history, but I think this is one of those "It's both and neither" kinds of things. That is, the reason why the "war to end all wars" fantasy that is mentioned in the Bible is set in Meggido, is because that particular area saw war after war after war, during the time when most of the stories there were written. Meggido was situated in the crossroads of all the contending Empires and kingdoms of the day. It was the best place to use to "foretell" the End Of The World War, because everyone back then would hear, and say "Oh, well of COURSE it will go through Meggido. So this prediction makes sense." In modern times, since no one ACTUALLY wants the end of the world, the idea of Armageddon is more of a religious or spiritual idea that people like to use as a sort of bogeyman to dangle in front of their own faces. As a prophecy, it suffers from the same great problems that all Biblical prophecies do. One, most of the "prophecies" were actually rewrites of past legends, designed to make it APPEAR that what was happening later had been foretold, by "adjusting" the names and places and facts, to make it fit what actually did happen later. Almost. Second, the Bible itself declares prophesying to be a "bad thing" for REAL believers to indulge in, primarily because of the ever present problem of "false prophets" predicting things and leading the "flock" astray. That is why this debate is all about. Remember what Paul say in Ephesians 6:10-17. You have to choose which side you are. What the world teached or what the Bible teached. In Matthew 24 Jesus is saying about rumours of war. But the rapture theory teaches about a WORLD war 3 in Israel. Do you know why? Because the rapture theory has put everybody minds, on literal Israel so that they has forget that they are spiritual Israel. And many don't even know that my friend. Israel is not GOD chosen nation any more. Now all Christians who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviour is Israel Spiritual. We are now the seed of Jesus. I hope, my friend now that you let only MASTER JESUS guide you.

Tom4Uhere Joined Sat 12/17/16 Posts: 16240	Tue 03/13/18 11:56 PM
Reality is all the stuff you experience in life and it doesn't care what you super-impose on it to make your own sense of it all. It doesn't matter if its the Bible, the Necronomicon or The World of Warcraft. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it reality. Reality is just reality. It doesn't have passion or foreboding. Those are entirely personal aspects people assign to reality to cope. Reality is harsh and sharp. It persists even when we don't want it to. Its in the moment, every moment, whether we can handle it or not. Most people can't. They twist their perceptions of reality to fit they're own agendas, or the agenda of the belief system they adopt. Then they try to live in the future or past, based on those beliefs, instead of embracing the reality in the moment of now. They substitute reality, when they can, to fit those beliefs. Then they ignore reality when it doesn't. Reality exists whether they can justify it or not because, well, its reality. My friend the problem is that you cannot answered it because you believed in a literal war in Israel, and because of your years believing that, is hard to accept what the Bible teached. So simple truth. God say adore me in SPIRIT and TRUTH. that is the difference. Umm, I am very aware of the symbolism of Armageddon. I also understand the symbolism of the Rapture. I choose not to be influenced by them. Yes, you read that right. I believe God is the entire Universe. I don't subscribe myself to religion. I attempt to embrace reality. Therefore, any forecast of anything is nonsense to me. If you find comfort in the threat of the end, go for it. If you find comfort in the Bible or Koran, go for it. I happen to find comfort in the reality before me and require no justification. When you quote scripture or promote religion I can accept that. Why can't you accept me?

Tom4Uhere Joined Sat 12/17/16 Posts: 16240	Wed 03/14/18 12:00 AM
Just my opinion, based on my studies of history, but I think this is one of those "It's both and neither" kinds of things. That is, the reason why the "war to end all wars" fantasy that is mentioned in the Bible is set in Meggido, is because that particular area saw war after war after war, during the time when most of the stories there were written. Meggido was situated in the crossroads of all the contending Empires and kingdoms of the day. It was the best place to use to "foretell" the End Of The World War, because everyone back then would hear, and say "Oh, well of COURSE it will go through Meggido. So this prediction makes sense." In modern times, since no one ACTUALLY wants the end of the world, the idea of Armageddon is more of a religious or spiritual idea that people like to use as a sort of bogeyman to dangle in front of their own faces. As a prophecy, it suffers from the same great problems that all Biblical prophecies do. One, most of the "prophecies" were actually rewrites of past legends, designed to make it APPEAR that what was happening later had been foretold, by "adjusting" the names and places and facts, to make it fit what actually did happen later. Almost. Second, the Bible itself declares prophesying to be a "bad thing" for REAL believers to indulge in, primarily because of the ever present problem of "false prophets" predicting things and leading the "flock" astray. That is why this debate is all about. Remember what Paul say in Ephesians 6:10-17. You have to choose which side you are. What the world teached or what the Bible teached. In Matthew 24 Jesus is saying about rumours of war. But the rapture theory teaches about a WORLD war 3 in Israel. Do you know why? Because the rapture theory has put everybody minds, on literal Israel so that they has forget that they are spiritual Israel. And many don't even know that my friend. Israel is not GOD chosen nation any more. Now all Christians who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviour is Israel Spiritual. We are now the seed of Jesus. I hope, my friend now that you let only MASTER JESUS guide you. Written like a 'true believer'. What if I choose neither side?

mich111111 Joined Wed 03/02/16 Posts: 135	Wed 03/14/18 05:42 AM
Reality is all the stuff you experience in life and it doesn't care what you super-impose on it to make your own sense of it all. It doesn't matter if its the Bible, the Necronomicon or The World of Warcraft. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it reality. Reality is just reality. It doesn't have passion or foreboding. Those are entirely personal aspects people assign to reality to cope. Reality is harsh and sharp. It persists even when we don't want it to. Its in the moment, every moment, whether we can handle it or not. Most people can't. They twist their perceptions of reality to fit they're own agendas, or the agenda of the belief system they adopt. Then they try to live in the future or past, based on those beliefs, instead of embracing the reality in the moment of now. They substitute reality, when they can, to fit those beliefs. Then they ignore reality when it doesn't. Reality exists whether they can justify it or not because, well, its reality. My friend the problem is that you cannot answered it because you believed in a literal war in Israel, and because of your years believing that, is hard to accept what the Bible teached. So simple truth. God say adore me in SPIRIT and TRUTH. that is the difference. Umm, I am very aware of the symbolism of Armageddon. I also understand the symbolism of the Rapture. I choose not to be influenced by them. Yes, you read that right. I believe God is the entire Universe. I don't subscribe myself to religion. I attempt to embrace reality. Therefore, any forecast of anything is nonsense to me. If you find comfort in the threat of the end, go for it. If you find comfort in the Bible or Koran, go for it. I happen to find comfort in the reality before me and require no justification. When you quote scripture or promote religion I can accept that. Why can't you accept me? I respect your believed, and the way you think. But for people that believed in a God FATHER and His Son Jesus is an other issue. And the debating is for people who really interested for their salvation. My war is not against human, but spiritual one. Against Satan and his demons.

mich111111 Joined Wed 03/02/16 Posts: 135	Wed 03/14/18 05:51 AM
Reality is all the stuff you experience in life and it doesn't care what you super-impose on it to make your own sense of it all. It doesn't matter if its the Bible, the Necronomicon or The World of Warcraft. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it reality. Reality is just reality. It doesn't have passion or foreboding. Those are entirely personal aspects people assign to reality to cope. Reality is harsh and sharp. It persists even when we don't want it to. Its in the moment, every moment, whether we can handle it or not. Most people can't. They twist their perceptions of reality to fit they're own agendas, or the agenda of the belief system they adopt. Then they try to live in the future or past, based on those beliefs, instead of embracing the reality in the moment of now. They substitute reality, when they can, to fit those beliefs. Then they ignore reality when it doesn't. Reality exists whether they can justify it or not because, well, its reality. My friend the problem is that you cannot answered it because you believed in a literal war in Israel, and because of your years believing that, is hard to accept what the Bible teached. So simple truth. God say adore me in SPIRIT and TRUTH. that is the difference. Umm, I am very aware of the symbolism of Armageddon. I also understand the symbolism of the Rapture. I choose not to be influenced by them. Yes, you read that right. I believe God is the entire Universe. I don't subscribe myself to religion. I attempt to embrace reality. Therefore, any forecast of anything is nonsense to me. If you find comfort in the threat of the end, go for it. If you find comfort in the Bible or Koran, go for it. I happen to find comfort in the reality before me and require no justification. When you quote scripture or promote religion I can accept that. Why can't you accept me? I'm with you on this Tom. Well said! Is difficult to find people who are searching and findout Biblical in a Christians forums to debate about the topics Biblical. I just want to debate with real Christians.

Vera Joined Sun 03/31/13 Posts: 305	Wed 03/14/18 08:58 AM
Hallelujah! At the Bible university of my Archbishop I have learned that, if someone asks a question, he has already 50 % of the answer. I am sure you have more than 50% of the answer. According to Bible word "Iron sharpens Iron" we are looking for more knowledge and wisdom. I would like to hear YOUR answer. God bless you

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Wed 03/14/18 09:07 AM
Reality is all the stuff you experience in life and it doesn't care what you super-impose on it to make your own sense of it all. It doesn't matter if its the Bible, the Necronomicon or The World of Warcraft. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it reality. Reality is just reality. It doesn't have passion or foreboding. Those are entirely personal aspects people assign to reality to cope. Reality is harsh and sharp. It persists even when we don't want it to. Its in the moment, every moment, whether we can handle it or not. Most people can't. They twist their perceptions of reality to fit they're own agendas, or the agenda of the belief system they adopt. Then they try to live in the future or past, based on those beliefs, instead of embracing the reality in the moment of now. They substitute reality, when they can, to fit those beliefs. Then they ignore reality when it doesn't. Reality exists whether they can justify it or not because, well, its reality. My friend the problem is that you cannot answered it because you believed in a literal war in Israel, and because of your years believing that, is hard to accept what the Bible teached. So simple truth. God say adore me in SPIRIT and TRUTH. that is the difference. Umm, I am very aware of the symbolism of Armageddon. I also understand the symbolism of the Rapture. I choose not to be influenced by them. Yes, you read that right. I believe God is the entire Universe. I don't subscribe myself to religion. I attempt to embrace reality. Therefore, any forecast of anything is nonsense to me. If you find comfort in the threat of the end, go for it. If you find comfort in the Bible or Koran, go for it. I happen to find comfort in the reality before me and require no justification. When you quote scripture or promote religion I can accept that. Why can't you accept me? I'm with you on this Tom. Well said! Is difficult to find people who are searching and findout Biblical in a Christians forums to debate about the topics Biblical. I just want to debate with real Christians. Then post in Christian Singles (per the rules in this forum). This group is open to all and you will get all answers.

Narlycarnk Joined Fri 10/28/16 Posts: 814	Wed 03/14/18 04:21 PM
Reality is all the stuff you experience in life and it doesn't care what you super-impose on it to make your own sense of it all. It doesn't matter if its the Bible, the Necronomicon or The World of Warcraft. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it reality. Reality is just reality. It doesn't have passion or foreboding. Those are entirely personal aspects people assign to reality to cope. Reality is harsh and sharp. It persists even when we don't want it to. Its in the moment, every moment, whether we can handle it or not. Most people can't. They twist their perceptions of reality to fit they're own agendas, or the agenda of the belief system they adopt. Then they try to live in the future or past, based on those beliefs, instead of embracing the reality in the moment of now. They substitute reality, when they can, to fit those beliefs. Then they ignore reality when it doesn't. Reality exists whether they can justify it or not because, well, its reality. My friend the problem is that you cannot answered it because you believed in a literal war in Israel, and because of your years believing that, is hard to accept what the Bible teached. So simple truth. God say adore me in SPIRIT and TRUTH. that is the difference. Umm, I am very aware of the symbolism of Armageddon. I also understand the symbolism of the Rapture. I choose not to be influenced by them. Yes, you read that right. I believe God is the entire Universe. I don't subscribe myself to religion. I attempt to embrace reality. Therefore, any forecast of anything is nonsense to me. If you find comfort in the threat of the end, go for it. If you find comfort in the Bible or Koran, go for it. I happen to find comfort in the reality before me and require no justification. When you quote scripture or promote religion I can accept that. Why can't you accept me? I'm with you on this Tom. Well said! Is difficult to find people who are searching and findout Biblical in a Christians forums to debate about the topics Biblical. I just want to debate with real Christians. Then post in Christian Singles (per the rules in this forum). This group is open to all and you will get all answers. Real Christians do accept you Mark 12:31 “Love your neighbor as yourself”

mich111111 Joined Wed 03/02/16 Posts: 135	Wed 03/14/18 10:38 PM
Just my opinion, based on my studies of history, but I think this is one of those "It's both and neither" kinds of things. That is, the reason why the "war to end all wars" fantasy that is mentioned in the Bible is set in Meggido, is because that particular area saw war after war after war, during the time when most of the stories there were written. Meggido was situated in the crossroads of all the contending Empires and kingdoms of the day. It was the best place to use to "foretell" the End Of The World War, because everyone back then would hear, and say "Oh, well of COURSE it will go through Meggido. So this prediction makes sense." In modern times, since no one ACTUALLY wants the end of the world, the idea of Armageddon is more of a religious or spiritual idea that people like to use as a sort of bogeyman to dangle in front of their own faces. As a prophecy, it suffers from the same great problems that all Biblical prophecies do. One, most of the "prophecies" were actually rewrites of past legends, designed to make it APPEAR that what was happening later had been foretold, by "adjusting" the names and places and facts, to make it fit what actually did happen later. Almost. Second, the Bible itself declares prophesying to be a "bad thing" for REAL believers to indulge in, primarily because of the ever present problem of "false prophets" predicting things and leading the "flock" astray. That is why this debate is all about. Remember what Paul say in Ephesians 6:10-17. You have to choose which side you are. What the world teached or what the Bible teached. In Matthew 24 Jesus is saying about rumours of war. But the rapture theory teaches about a WORLD war 3 in Israel. Do you know why? Because the rapture theory has put everybody minds, on literal Israel so that they has forget that they are spiritual Israel. And many don't even know that my friend. Israel is not GOD chosen nation any more. Now all Christians who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviour is Israel Spiritual. We are now the seed of Jesus. I hope, my friend now that you let only MASTER JESUS guide you. Written like a 'true believer'. What if I choose neither side? My friend automatically we are on the side of the devil. There are two ways. You have to choose who is the best of you. We are in a spiritual war. If you will stay in the huge path or you take the small. That is free choice. Not by force.

mich111111 Joined Wed 03/02/16 Posts: 135	Wed 03/14/18 10:45 PM
Hallelujah! At the Bible university of my Archbishop I have learned that, if someone asks a question, he has already 50 % of the answer. I am sure you have more than 50% of the answer. According to Bible word "Iron sharpens Iron" we are looking for more knowledge and wisdom. I would like to hear YOUR answer. God bless you God blessed you to my sister in Christ. Also give your opinions, and we are here for the WORLD to see that there is a God and He has His rules. And if we don't obey GOD, we are obeying Satan. There's only two ways my sister. Teached what God has give you.

mich111111 Joined Wed 03/02/16 Posts: 135	Wed 03/14/18 10:54 PM
Reality is all the stuff you experience in life and it doesn't care what you super-impose on it to make your own sense of it all. It doesn't matter if its the Bible, the Necronomicon or The World of Warcraft. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it reality. Reality is just reality. It doesn't have passion or foreboding. Those are entirely personal aspects people assign to reality to cope. Reality is harsh and sharp. It persists even when we don't want it to. Its in the moment, every moment, whether we can handle it or not. Most people can't. They twist their perceptions of reality to fit they're own agendas, or the agenda of the belief system they adopt. Then they try to live in the future or past, based on those beliefs, instead of embracing the reality in the moment of now. They substitute reality, when they can, to fit those beliefs. Then they ignore reality when it doesn't. Reality exists whether they can justify it or not because, well, its reality. My friend the problem is that you cannot answered it because you believed in a literal war in Israel, and because of your years believing that, is hard to accept what the Bible teached. So simple truth. God say adore me in SPIRIT and TRUTH. that is the difference. Umm, I am very aware of the symbolism of Armageddon. I also understand the symbolism of the Rapture. I choose not to be influenced by them. Yes, you read that right. I believe God is the entire Universe. I don't subscribe myself to religion. I attempt to embrace reality. Therefore, any forecast of anything is nonsense to me. If you find comfort in the threat of the end, go for it. If you find comfort in the Bible or Koran, go for it. I happen to find comfort in the reality before me and require no justification. When you quote scripture or promote religion I can accept that. Why can't you accept me? I'm with you on this Tom. Well said! Is difficult to find people who are searching and findout Biblical in a Christians forums to debate about the topics Biblical. I just want to debate with real Christians. Then post in Christian Singles (per the rules in this forum). This group is open to all and you will get all answers. That's why I'm here for everybody to see, that I am a Real follower of Jesus. And all real Christians don't need to be quite anymore. We have a God that stand before us. And all I'm doing is older His Commandments. And for my real brothers and sisters Christian. All this rumore war in literal is for me and you to not focused on the MARK OF THE BEAST. That is were the real war is.

mich111111 Joined Wed 03/02/16 Posts: 135	Wed 03/14/18 11:00 PM
Reality is all the stuff you experience in life and it doesn't care what you super-impose on it to make your own sense of it all. It doesn't matter if its the Bible, the Necronomicon or The World of Warcraft. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it reality. Reality is just reality. It doesn't have passion or foreboding. Those are entirely personal aspects people assign to reality to cope. Reality is harsh and sharp. It persists even when we don't want it to. Its in the moment, every moment, whether we can handle it or not. Most people can't. They twist their perceptions of reality to fit they're own agendas, or the agenda of the belief system they adopt. Then they try to live in the future or past, based on those beliefs, instead of embracing the reality in the moment of now. They substitute reality, when they can, to fit those beliefs. Then they ignore reality when it doesn't. Reality exists whether they can justify it or not because, well, its reality. My friend the problem is that you cannot answered it because you believed in a literal war in Israel, and because of your years believing that, is hard to accept what the Bible teached. So simple truth. God say adore me in SPIRIT and TRUTH. that is the difference. Umm, I am very aware of the symbolism of Armageddon. I also understand the symbolism of the Rapture. I choose not to be influenced by them. Yes, you read that right. I believe God is the entire Universe. I don't subscribe myself to religion. I attempt to embrace reality. Therefore, any forecast of anything is nonsense to me. If you find comfort in the threat of the end, go for it. If you find comfort in the Bible or Koran, go for it. I happen to find comfort in the reality before me and require no justification. When you quote scripture or promote religion I can accept that. Why can't you accept me? I'm with you on this Tom. Well said! Is difficult to find people who are searching and findout Biblical in a Christians forums to debate about the topics Biblical. I just want to debate with real Christians. Then post in Christian Singles (per the rules in this forum). This group is open to all and you will get all answers. Real Christians do accept you Mark 12:31 “Love your neighbor as yourself” Jesus says if you love your families, or whatever more Than Him, you don't belong to Him. Jesus says, Keep my commandment just as I have keep my FATHER Commandments. That is the TRUE love. Obeing the Father and the Son is true love. Not the worldly love.

mich111111 Joined Wed 03/02/16 Posts: 135	Wed 03/14/18 11:07 PM
And this topic is in CHRISTIAN SINGLE.

Robxbox73 Joined Sun 12/27/15 Posts: 5302	Wed 03/14/18 11:29 PM
And this topic is in CHRISTIAN SINGLE. I think you just posted this to prove that you are "Superspirtual" or have religious pride... I think you know where pride is based... Is this spiritual or literal???? This is not a good theological ministry point...Kind of childish if you ask me...People answered and you argue with them....Maybe you were false in acting as an open minded individual??? Seems to me you already had YOUR answer...You just wanted to argue and You know this was a total pointless post. It was neither spirituality enlightening nor encouraging... Maybe next time you should, think before you post... : (

Toodygirl5 Joined Fri 10/26/12 Posts: 14476	Thu 03/15/18 10:37 AM
And this topic is in CHRISTIAN SINGLE. I think you just posted this to prove that you are "Superspirtual" or have religious pride... I think you know where pride is based... Is this spiritual or literal???? This is not a good theological ministry point...Kind of childish if you ask me...People answered and you argue with them....Maybe you were false in acting as an open minded individual??? Seems to me you already had YOUR answer...You just wanted to argue and You know this was a total pointless post. It was neither spirituality enlightening nor encouraging... Maybe next time you should, think before you post... : (

yellowrose10 Joined Tue 12/11/07 Posts: 52804	Thu 03/15/18 11:12 AM
And this topic is in CHRISTIAN SINGLE. Ok. Let's get this over and move on with the topic. This was posted in general religion. The rules are that it has to be a topic for all beliefs amd not polarize others. It was posted in the wrong forum. I asked for it to be moved since you were preaxhing amd only wanted Christian debate. Moved her to Christian Singles. End of story. Continue with the debate

Unknow Joined Sat 01/11/14 Posts: 23369	Thu 03/15/18 11:28 AM
I guess if your not religious then it would have to be literal?

mich111111 Joined Wed 03/02/16 Posts: 135	Thu 03/15/18 01:58 PM
And this topic is in CHRISTIAN SINGLE. I think you just posted this to prove that you are "Superspirtual" or have religious pride... I think you know where pride is based... Is this spiritual or literal???? This is not a good theological ministry point...Kind of childish if you ask me...People answered and you argue with them....Maybe you were false in acting as an open minded individual??? Seems to me you already had YOUR answer...You just wanted to argue and You know this was a total pointless post. It was neither spirituality enlightening nor encouraging... Maybe next time you should, think before you post... : ( I think you must read from the begining before you acuse with false testimony. Go read from the beginning maybe you can say sorry!!

mich111111 Joined Wed 03/02/16 Posts: 135	Thu 03/15/18 02:04 PM Edited by mich111111 on Thu 03/15/18 02:06 PM
And this topic is in CHRISTIAN SINGLE. I think you just posted this to prove that you are "Superspirtual" or have religious pride... I think you know where pride is based... Is this spiritual or literal???? This is not a good theological ministry point...Kind of childish if you ask me...People answered and you argue with them....Maybe you were false in acting as an open minded individual??? Seems to me you already had YOUR answer...You just wanted to argue and You know this was a total pointless post. It was neither spirituality enlightening nor encouraging... Maybe next time you should, think before you post... : ( Everybody is thinking for me. Think of you are spiritual or literal. It is difficult to debate with people on a topic and stay till the end. I am spiritual and I follow what I have learn from the Bible. Let's continue with the debate.