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In my thread The End of the World - Eon I have addressed the two Ancient terms 'Aion' (Ancient Koine Greek) and 'Olam' (Ancient Hebrew). For all intents and purposes, these two words are the same, just from different languages. When the Septiguant was translated from Ancient Hebrew to Ancient Greek 'olam' was almost always rendered as 'aion.' An example... CLV Ps 45:6 Your throne, O Elohim, is for the eon and further; A scepter of equity is the scepter of Your kingdom. CLV Heb 1:8 Yet to the Son: "Thy throne, O God, is for the eon of the eon, And a scepter of rectitude is the scepter of Thy kingdom. God's punishment is not "forever" or "eternal." There is no "hell." |
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Well I guess Superman would know better then us mortals.
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Edited by
ReserveCorp
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Well I guess Superman would know better then us mortals. That's a bit cheeky, and allowing for misspellings, but what the heck? I just want to say that when Bigd says there is no Hell, he has the FULL support and agreement of The Urantia Book. What sort of a monster God would torture his own children, for making immature mistakes, or even for not loving him? Saying that there is a Hell, owned and operated by our Creator Father for the purpose of punishing us for all eternity for whatever reason is simply BLASPHEMY against God. |
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Well I guess Superman would know better then us mortals. That's a bit cheeky, and allowing for misspellings, but what the heck? I just want to say that when Bigd says there is no Hell, he has the FULL support and agreement of The Urantia Book. What sort of a monster God would torture his own children, for making immature mistakes, or even for not loving him? Saying that there is a Hell, owned and operated by our Creator Father for the purpose of punishing us for all eternity for whatever reason is simply BLASPHEMY against God. a JUST God would. Just: legally correct some people break laws and are sent to jail, some put on probation, others fined, and still others are drugged or electrocuted to death God determines based on Gods law, the just end to our choices based on our conscious offenses and KNOWLEDGE of those ends. |
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a JUST God would. Just: legally correct some people break laws and are sent to jail, some put on probation, others fined, and still others are drugged or electrocuted to death Sounds like the laws of men, not God. God determines based on Gods law, the just end to our choices based on our conscious offenses and KNOWLEDGE of those ends. There is no "end" to man. Just new beginnings. Who shall be Saved? CLV Ro 11:32 For God locks up all together into/in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all. CLV 1Ti 2:4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth. CLV 1Ti 4:10 (for into/for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers. CLV Col 1:20 and through Him to reconcile all into/to Him (making peace through the blood of His cross), through Him, whether those on the earth or those in the heavens. CLV 1Cor 15:51 Lo! a secret to you am I telling! We all, indeed, shall not be put to repose, yet we all shall be changed |
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I guess the truth will be unquestionable once we have died.
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Well I guess Superman would know better then us mortals. That's a bit cheeky, and allowing for misspellings, but what the heck? I just want to say that when Bigd says there is no Hell, he has the FULL support and agreement of The Urantia Book. What sort of a monster God would torture his own children, for making immature mistakes, or even for not loving him? Saying that there is a Hell, owned and operated by our Creator Father for the purpose of punishing us for all eternity for whatever reason is simply BLASPHEMY against God. a JUST God would. A just God would torture and punish someone for all eternity? For what? For not loving God? For masturbating? That's blasphemy against God, in my opinion. Just my opinion. The God I believe in would never do such things. "The wages of sin is death." Rom 6:23 I do believe that. |
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I guess the truth will be unquestionable once we have died. I suppose you are right. |
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LOOK AT THIS VERSE CLOSELY: Proverbs 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. if this verse means GRAVE then a rod beating might get you there faster...but...this claims it will save you from HELL. since we know all of us will physically die, this verse definitely is speaking of another place called hell. NOW, where would that hell be [like it isn't obvious]. plus, this verse proves for those who believe there is NO ETERNAL DAMNATION...YOU ARE WRONG ACCORDING TO THIS VERSE!! a warning from YESHUA: Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. if hell is dirt, the grave, why would Yeshua claim the hell He speaks of is of FIRE? these few verses clearly prove hell, the place of torment, is absolutely REAL!! |
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Well I guess Superman would know better then us mortals. That's a bit cheeky, and allowing for misspellings, but what the heck? I just want to say that when Bigd says there is no Hell, he has the FULL support and agreement of The Urantia Book. What sort of a monster God would torture his own children, for making immature mistakes, or even for not loving him? Saying that there is a Hell, owned and operated by our Creator Father for the purpose of punishing us for all eternity for whatever reason is simply BLASPHEMY against God. a JUST God would. A just God would torture and punish someone for all eternity? For what? For not loving God? For masturbating? That's blasphemy against God, in my opinion. Just my opinion. The God I believe in would never do such things. "The wages of sin is death." Rom 6:23 I do believe that. I think of it that God will SAVE from torture those who do not reject him and Jesus Christ. death is the wage for all of us, unless we are saved. Hell is the natural consequence, whatever the detail, of not being Saved. Everyone rationalizes the version of God they want to believe in. We will find out the true version when we die. |
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Edited by
BigD9832
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Tue 05/15/18 01:05 PM
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From msharmony I think of it that God will SAVE from torture those who do not reject him and Jesus Christ. death is the wage for all of us, unless we are saved. Hell is the natural consequence, whatever the detail, of not being Saved. Everyone rationalizes the version of God they want to believe in. We will find out the true version when we die. There is no "hell" and there is no "eternal" punishment in the Scriptures. All of mankind will be saved. Some sooner than others. The wage of sin is death, but... CLV 1Co 15:51 Lo! a secret to you am I telling! We all, indeed, shall not be put to repose, yet we all shall be changed, 52 in an instant, in the twinkle of an eye, at the last trump. For He will be trumpeting, and the dead will be roused incorruptible, and we shall be changed. And who shall be saved? CLV Ro 11:32 For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all. CLV 1Ti 2:4 Who wills that all mankind be saved and come into a realization of the truth. CLV 1Ti 4:10 (for this are we toiling and being reproached), that we rely on the living God, Who is the Saviour of all mankind, especially of believers. CLV 1Co 15:28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all. The answer is ALL! This is one of the hardest concepts to believe among Christians. |
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There IS eternal punishment .
All DO NOT get saved. All DO NOT go to Heaven. Christ on The Cross was not in vain. God is a holy righteous and just God. All attempts do deny the above truths will be absolutely futile and absurd . |
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There IS eternal punishment . All DO NOT get saved. All DO NOT go to Heaven. Christ on The Cross was not in vain. God is a holy righteous and just God. All attempts do deny the above truths will be absolutely futile and absurd . LOL! |
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There IS eternal punishment . All DO NOT get saved. All DO NOT go to Heaven. Christ on The Cross was not in vain. God is a holy righteous and just God. All attempts do deny the above truths will be absolutely futile and absurd . Not! But I won't argue with you. Just post the Scripture that proves your position on this matter. |
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Not my position, just the truth from God's inspired Word.
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From iam_resurrected Proverbs 23:14 Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. if this verse means GRAVE then a rod beating might get you there faster...but...this claims it will save you from HELL. since we know all of us will physically die, this verse definitely is speaking of another place called hell. NOW, where would that hell be [like it isn't obvious]. plus, this verse proves for those who believe there is NO ETERNAL DAMNATION...YOU ARE WRONG ACCORDING TO THIS VERSE!! That would be incorrect. If this is from the KJV (and since you have not revealed what English version you are using, so I can only guess) the word is not "grave" but "hell." If it was "grave" it would spell "g-r-a-v-e." You cannot interchange the English words just because they are on a list. Now, when you write your own English version you can use whatever word you like. So according to the KJV a soul can be delivered from "hell." This proves that "hell" is not "eternal." That is if you are using the KJV. This is what we call inconsistently translated. But I don't blame the translators. They labored under their king as the final authority, not the Scriptures. If the king said to use the word "hell," they would have only one response. "Yes, your Majesty." But many of us know the truth. The word 'sheol' does not mean "hell." Not in the real world. |
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Not my position, just the truth from God's inspired Word. OK. Let's see it. |
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Daniel 12:2
Matthew 25:46 Rev. 14:11 |
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Since the Earth is claimed to be only a bit more than 5,000 years old, created in the same week as everything else, it and everything else is not eternal, there is no eternity since there is a 'recognised' set beginning which does not extend to infinity or eternity.
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Eternity hasn't happened yet. Finite minds can barely grasp.
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