we have a beginning.
we are conceived.
born.
typically live a life where we can make our own choices and choose our own beliefs.
and if we are found written in the Book of Life, we achieve eternal life with God.

so, somewhere along the lines, there is always a beginning.

if God being all knowing, would have created the Lake of Fire at some point, knowing the Adversary and entities would be cast into it along with death and hell. therefore, even this destination had a beginning for its purpose.

But that's not what "eternity" means as far as God is concerned. It means He has no beginning and no ending. It's really an infinity concept and since we're finite beings, we can't understand it. We can SAY it but we don't GET it, even if it's true.

There possibly is such a thing as eternal in one direction, such as us, as you mentioned above, we had a beginning, but if we make it to heaven, we're probably good there forever, eternally, going one way into time.

From iam_resurrected
we have a beginning.
we are conceived.
born.
typically live a life where we can make our own choices and choose our own beliefs.
and if we are found written in the Book of Life, we achieve eternal life with God.

so, somewhere along the lines, there is always a beginning.

if God being all knowing, would have created the Lake of Fire at some point, knowing the Adversary and entities would be cast into it along with death and hell. therefore, even this destination had a beginning for its purpose.


Yes, we do have a beginning. Which only serves to prove my point. We do not live forever. We are not "eternal" in this form. You could say we live for an eon. And by the same token those who are cast into the Lake of fire will not be there for "eternity," but for an eon.

We could say that everything that has a beginning is eonian, and not "eternal."

We might also say that the only thing that can be described as "eternal" is God. He existed long before we did. He has no beginning, and we do.

So it seems that for the most part, your "Jewish" bible is accurate, as long as it translates 'aion/olam' as "age." But when it steps out of the role of translator and becomes an interpreter, then it loses what the Scripture is saying and yields to man-made doctrines.

CLV Rev 20:10 And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons.

This verse also tells us who will be cast into the Lake of Fire. And people are not included. There is nothing that says we will share the same fate as the beast and the false prophet.

CLV Rev 20:15 And if anyone was not found written in the scroll of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

If we can stay away from the assumptions for a moment...

If we are cast into the Lake of Fire, it is certainly not for "eternity." Not according to the Scriptures. We might just take a quick dip in that pool. Just long enough to burn the dross off from the gold.

Once that is done, we take our place in God's Kingdom, because in the end...

CLV 1Cor 15:28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.

All in all. Which means no one will be missing. Everyone that God ever created will be part of His New Heaven and New Earth.

That is what the Scriptures say. All these other theories are man-made and cannot be supported by the Scriptures.

CLV Rom 11:32 For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all.

There is that pesky word "all" again.

It seems that you choose to ignore those verses that do not support your ideas. Some Bible verses can be twisted to mean what you want them to. But it takes a real seeker to accept what the Bible says, and not try to make it say what is more comfortable to you.

I thought you were a seeker. You can see past the false doctrines of "trinity" and "hell." And I get that we are taking this step by step. So I have faith that you will eventually see that God's plan will include all mankind and not just a select few.

Yes, we do have a beginning. Which only serves to prove my point. We do not live forever. We are not "eternal" in this form. You could say we live for an eon. And by the same token those who are cast into the Lake of fire will not be there for "eternity," but for an eon.

We could say that everything that has a beginning is eonian, and not "eternal."

We might also say that the only thing that can be described as "eternal" is God. He existed long before we did. He has no beginning, and we do.

So it seems that for the most part, your "Jewish" bible is accurate, as long as it translates 'aion/olam' as "age." But when it steps out of the role of translator and becomes an interpreter, then it loses what the Scripture is saying and yields to man-made doctrines.

CLV Rev 20:10 And the Adversary who is deceiving them was cast into the lake of fire and sulphur, where the wild beast and where the false prophet are also. And they shall be tormented day and night for the eons of the eons.

This verse also tells us who will be cast into the Lake of Fire. And people are not included. There is nothing that says we will share the same fate as the beast and the false prophet.

CLV Rev 20:15 And if anyone was not found written in the scroll of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.

If we can stay away from the assumptions for a moment...

If we are cast into the Lake of Fire, it is certainly not for "eternity." Not according to the Scriptures. We might just take a quick dip in that pool. Just long enough to burn the dross off from the gold.

Once that is done, we take our place in God's Kingdom, because in the end...

CLV 1Cor 15:28 Now, whenever all may be subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also shall be subjected to Him Who subjects all to Him, that God may be All in all.

All in all. Which means no one will be missing. Everyone that God ever created will be part of His New Heaven and New Earth.

That is what the Scriptures say. All these other theories are man-made and cannot be supported by the Scriptures.

CLV Rom 11:32 For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all.

There is that pesky word "all" again.

It seems that you choose to ignore those verses that do not support your ideas. Some Bible verses can be twisted to mean what you want them to. But it takes a real seeker to accept what the Bible says, and not try to make it say what is more comfortable to you.

I thought you were a seeker. You can see past the false doctrines of "trinity" and "hell." And I get that we are taking this step by step. So I have faith that you will eventually see that God's plan will include all mankind and not just a select few.

I am a man. Because of that, I have no interest in you, in that way. I am not here to meet a woman. I have a girlfriend and we have plans to marry.

I am not gay. There was some type of mixup when I first signed up. But as I am an older man and not really here to find a mate, I pretty much ignore all that.

Your assumptions are wrong, as most assumptions are. And if you research religions like you do the sexual orientation of others, I have lost interest in your posts already.

Have a good day.

Um, speaking of assumptions, I have no idea your sexual orientation and don't care. My focus is on meeting a woman. M2 is not where I look.
I do know that when I do find a woman, I'm not going to be on any dating site. Like not being religious and not going to church.
Be well citizen.

Ahh yes.. the bible

Put one paragraph from it and 10 people in a room.. and get 10 different versions of what was just read.

Is that " cheeky" too Lol..

And yet you said...



It sounds like you had some ideas. I would prefer that you do not speak of my sexual preferences, no matter what you think of them.

Just to be clear...
I was referring to physical attributes not sexual preferences.
Any inference would only apply to my own sexual preferences.

Perhaps msharmony is suggesting that God needs to follow man. Because man does a thing does that mean God has to?

CLV Rom 11:32 For God locks up all together in stubbornness, that He should be merciful to all.

I don't see any Scripture from msharmony. So it seems her ideas here are not Scriptural.

And I still don't see anyone posting the Ancient term for "hell."

There is no "hell" in the Scriptures.

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