you're misinformed... There's about 30 to 40 gods.. And everyone thinks their God is the best

BUT, there is only ONE ABRAHAM whom is designated as the father of both the Hebrew/Jews and the Muslims.

Both sects of people can literally trace their entire lineage to Abraham.

and from there, they can claim the God of Abraham as their God.

Both the Muslim and Hebrew/Jew worship the SAME GOD [as does the Catholics, Christians].

it is ironic that for centuries, the God of Abraham has been worshipped by the most people of all/any other gods.

AND, the God of Abraham is still worshipped by more people vs other deities.

AND, the God of Abraham is now worshipped and growing as the number ONE GOD in the majority of every nation.

this means people of other cultures are believing their old deities aren't real, and that the God of Abraham is.

to me, that is a testimony to the God of Abraham!!

I would think every muslim would disagree with you on that, which is my point... If it was the same god, the muslims wouldn't be trying to kill the non muslims or the other muslims that don't think the same...

My question is
What makes the God of Abraham better than my God?
I've never met Abraham?

THIS IS A CONVERSATION BETWEEN MRMXB [MUSLIM] AND MYSELF [FOLLOWER OF YESHUA] FROM HIS THREAD [IS IT NECESSARY TO BELIEVE IN GOD] THAT IS NOW LOCKED:






FROM ME:
This is why it is pointless for a government to try to FORCE people to say they believe. That does not cause faith, it only insures that none of the people of the country, can ever have FAITH that their neighbors actually have faith.


there is also a concept of divine intervention or coincidence. as a believer, I view it as divine intervention.

example: your boss asks you to work over when your normal routine is to leave and be at certain places. but the time your boss asks you to work, one of these places gets robbed and someone is shot.

now, is that coincidence or God intervening for you?

I have personally had a few incidents like this that something happened and kept me from being somewhere. and then later on I learned something bad took place and I would have been there or possibly involved.

to me, this is God's divine intervention.

so, when I realized what this was, it was no longer believing in God via faith only. to me, this was hardcore fact there is a real God who is helping me while I was blindly believing He was real.

basically, I have so much proof now there is a real God it no longer is a matter of faith. where my faith now lies at, is at the point of expecting God to always intervene on my behalf




FROM MRMXB:
Mr iam_resurrected,
you have revealed God's faith. yea, as you said to God, it is believed. I am a Muslim and I believe in God as you tell me. /// there is a saying like this: God's mercy is like 100 pieces. One part is for this world / universe. With this one piece, the mother looks at the child, the sheep looks at the lamb, the trees give fruit, the cloud gives rain, the planets move in a certain plane. as. as. the remaining 99 parts are forgiving people in the other world. so he is very, very compassionate.





FROM ME:
it is my honor to meet you, sir

I have several true friends who follow the Muslim way of life via the Qu'ran. and although I am a follower of Yahweh, I find it a true blessing in which my friends and myself believe. we have went back to point of father Abraham. and from the [Qu'ranfor - Hebrew Bible - Christian Bible] it is here we know of Abraham, and all of his sons Ishmael, Isaac, Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. and from those sons we are where we are now in the path of Abraham's faith and walk in God.

it really does amaze me how close the scriptures of the Qu'ran and Hebrew Bible relate. both emphasize and express Abraham's view of the true ONE GOD!! it may appear as 2 separate views from how the translations read. but in reality, they speak of the SAME GOD!!

and it is from this point of understanding, between my Muslim friends and myself, that we find our spiritual connection





FROM MRMXB:
Mr iam_resurrected,
"it is my honor to meet you, sir"

You're welcome.
If I meet you I will be honored.
///
from the words of courtesy given by the holy book. the humility of the high character of the sacred book is understood from your words.
///
the Torah, the Bible, and the Quran, these three books were filled with the same fountain. 3 books give the same smell.
it has to be like that. because there is 1 God. only 1 God.
///
Qur'an is the last book. Our Prophet is the last prophet. the prophet will no longer come. the book will not come anymore.
///
According to Islamic belief, Jesus did not die. It's in the sky. Jesus will come again near the doomsday. and govern the world with justice. ... as long as Jesus will remain in the world. then it will be the doomsday. Muslims have to believe this.
///
Muslim clerics can make mistakes. Christian clergy can make mistakes. Jewish clergy can make mistakes. but God never makes mistakes.
///
I could explain the hope through translation.
///
Good night sir.









AS YOU CAN PLAINLY SEE, THE MUSLIM DOES BELIEVE SIMILAR TO THE JEW AND CHRISTIAN!!





the difference is the teaching and misinterpretation of scripture!!







MRMXB agrees 100% with me concerning Abraham and Abraham's God.

you clearly don't know as much as you had perceived which is understandable. because you don't believe, you would not study to find where all of those following the God of Abraham connects!!

i would claim that your God and Abraham's God are ONE and the SAME GOD!!

everything you have describes as being your God is described the same way throughout scripture.

from the minute undetectable microscopic organism to bacteria, to nature, to weather, to humanity, to the planet and planets of our galaxy, to the universe and beyond are all connected through and by God.

what the scripture has provided is that there is a different tangible than your personal views, and that is this SAME GOD as being personable to us [His creation].

this is so that we can honor/worship God in direct correlation to God. in other words, you don't give a tree honor because it is connected to God like you don't give honor to other fellow human beings. instead, you give honor to God Himself who is the connection to everything. this is how you can break it down to a personal savior.

Why? How could you possibly know what my idea of God is?
How do you know exactly what Abraham's God is?
At best, scripture defines God as per multiple impressions over time.
Unless you actually speak to Abraham and he manages to articulate his exact impression of God there is still the inaccuracies having to do with his relativity of perception. How do you know what he understands is exactly what really is?

Hell, I'm not even sure what I understand is exactly what is. All I know is my idea of God, works for me, makes sense to me. My understanding is just as valid as anyone elses and I don't require a written word to make my belief valid to me. It just is.

and from the scripture we have, we actually do not how Abraham specifically envisioned God from his point of view. but we know he believed and 2 nations of people [Muslim/Jews(Hebrews)] were born from his loins that carried on his faith.

it's like me following the God of my Grandfather and Father. i do not know specifically by the terms in how they described God, because i do not know specifically what everything literally meant to them. i know what everything means to me, but from their deepest convictions, i really only know a degree.

so me saying your God is SAME as Abraham's God, is me saying i have to take your word for it!!

i mention the "IF" God exists/etc trying to not shove my personal beliefs down someone's throat.

i am not trying to correct them, even though, i know without a shadow of a doubt that God does in fact exist.

and to the rest of what you posted, i can agree to that myself. but i go as far to include God on a one on one personal level

include God on a one on one personal level
See, this is here I am dismayed.
Oneness with God is not something that can be considered as separate.
It is never ever a consideration for me because in my belief, there is nothing except oneness with God?

I don't exist separate from God. God is the entire Universe?
I am part of that Universe so by default, I am also part of God.
Its difficult for me to wrap my head around what you imply?

Perhaps I just have a really simple way of looking at reality?

See, when I dream, imagine, hope, think, act and experience I see it as God doing so. My imagination is God imagining because I am part of God and God is part of me.

When I imagine a place outside the Universe. That place becomes the Universe because I am in the Universe and that thought originated within the Universe so it becomes part of the Universe by default.
Since God is the Universe, everything that happens within the Universe is God. Including thoughts.

Is the Universe aware, Yes.
Is God aware, Yes.

For some reason, people think they are separate from the Universe, separate from God. I don't see it that way.
God is everywhere, everywhen and everyhow because everything exists in embodiement of God.
I'm not just saying this because scripture tells me, I understand reality as such.

Your topic concerning the "Oneness with God" implies that there can be a condition where there isn't a oneness with God and to that idea I disagree.

What gets me is that more people can't realize this?

Yeshua, after being asked by Philip to shew him the Father, responded with 2 very important clues.

1. Yeshua said, have I not been with you this long that you "DO NOT KNOW ME?"...when you [see] the Father you [see] Me...when you [see] Me you [see] the Father.


2. Yeshua furthered this statement with "I am not doing the works you [see]. the Father that LIVES INSIDE ME IS DOING THE WORKS [John 14:10
10 Don't you believe that I am united with the Father, and the Father united with me? What I am telling you, I am not saying on my own initiative; [[the Father living in me]] is doing his own works.




so, outside of Yeshua explaining that looking at Him is looking at the FATHER Colossians 1:15
15 He is the [[visible image of the invisible God]]. He is supreme over all creation...
He also makes it clear that living inside Him is the FATHER.


which this is very important here. [[((if the SON was His own person))]] [then the FATHER would not dwell in Him]. I believe this is concrete proof that the flesh Yeshua was actually the FATHER all along.

another key:
what do we have living in us as believers?
Holy Spirit [the Spirit of the Father][that connects us to the Father].

so Yeshua had the FATHER living in Him and we have the Spirit of the Father living in us.

to me, this is proof of ONLY ONE GOD and Yeshua/Yahweh are the same being [as Spirit and in the flesh].


Colossians 1 explains that Yeshua created ALL THINGS.

John called Yeshua the WORD.

now, lets put this in biblical example:

Genesis 1:2-3
2 The earth was unformed and void, darkness was on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God hovered over the surface of the water. 3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.

Here the ((Creator)) [[is in Spirit form]] but we know this is actually Yeshua [the Father lives inside Me].
and verse 3 states God said [this is the WORD in action].

the entire Bible is a reflection of Yeshua/Yahweh, WHO is the ONE GOD!!

this is why Catholics changed original Matthew 28:19...because Yeshua commanding to baptize in His NAME [is the authority of the FATHER]...and they changed it to create the unholy trinity!!

this is why I am like the Messianic Jews = ONENESS!!






another Catholic change for the trinity is the kjv states there are 3 in heaven.

but the real translation DOES NOT STATE THIS: the original translation is speaking only about Yeshua here:

1 John 5:6-8
6 He is the one who came by means of water and blood, Yeshua the Messiah - not with water only, but with the water and the blood. And the Spirit bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 7 There are three witnesses - 8 the Spirit, the water and the blood - and these three are in agreement.




the scriptures are clear that there is NO TRINITY!!

this is an interesting thread especially the exchanges in the 1st five posts

I fail to understand why proof and evidence continues to be demanded.

No proof or evidence will be forthcoming. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.

Either believe or don't believe.

Why bother yourself and other people with questions about proof and evidence?

If you can't believe, then don't.

Go fishing or something.