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who will be identified as 'thugs' to be disarmed without violating the right to bear arms?
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The police, MS. who would you like to do the identifying.. a neighborhood pastor?
The cops know by history, name, nickname, body markings, signs, hats worn ( yes, the type of baseball hat) color of clothing worn, locations, past criminal records, places of gathering, Intel ect, ect, ect. The Chicago cops ( like most metro cops) are street smart. they know the language and the street sense And past criminal records are key, because these thugs are no stranger to the court systems. And I am betting not many who get frisked and are found with a gun are carrying a legal gun...not many at all. Do you think these thugs have legal guns???.. really? violating right to bear arms.............How about the kids that were killed, were their rights not violated.. to the max? Chicago is making headlines in every newspaper across the country for this carnage... and it is far from the 1st time.. far from it. It is now their stigma.. that is how bad it is. So, again.. I ask you... what is the reason for a total clean out not to take place... what is it? |
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The police, MS. who would you like to do the identifying.. a neighborhood pastor? The cops know by history, name, nickname, body markings, signs, hats worn ( yes, the type of baseball hat) color of clothing worn, locations, past criminal records, places of gathering, Intel ect, ect, ect. The Chicago cops ( like most metro cops) are street smart. they know the language and the street sense And past criminal records are key, because these thugs are no stranger to the court systems. And I am betting not many who get frisked and are found with a gun are carrying a legal gun...not many at all. Do you think these thugs have legal guns???.. really? violating right to bear arms.............How about the kids that were killed, were their rights not violated.. to the max? Chicago is making headlines in every newspaper across the country for this carnage... and it is far from the 1st time.. far from it. It is now their stigma.. that is how bad it is. So, again.. I ask you... what is the reason for a total clean out not to take place... what is it? well here we go. As I stated, those who are COMMITING crimes should be stripped of the gun, that would actually include carrying an unregistered weapon IF it has been reported stolen. other than that, I dont trust people to make assessment of who does or doesnt have the right to bear arms based on anything as subjective as names, nicknames, body markings, signs, or hats, or color of their clothes, or the location, or where they gather. none of those factors are illegal and none are justifiable in taking away someones right to bear arms. Chicago has been stigmatized before, but the law and the rights are still the law and the rights. and Military should be reserved as LAST option, not sole resort or first resort. So the reason for not having a 'total clean out' is no one is offering a constitutional explanation of HOW that would be done, without alluding to their own subjective standard of 'thug', which does not have to equate in their mind to having been guilty of any actual crime. |
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Strategically detonated MOABs,
will definitely lessen the number of illegal shootings in chicago. |
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Strategically detonated MOABs, will definitely lessen the number of illegal shootings in chicago. and cause more death than it did save lives ... of course smh |
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The police, MS. who would you like to do the identifying.. a neighborhood pastor? The cops know by history, name, nickname, body markings, signs, hats worn ( yes, the type of baseball hat) color of clothing worn, locations, past criminal records, places of gathering, Intel ect, ect, ect. The Chicago cops ( like most metro cops) are street smart. they know the language and the street sense And past criminal records are key, because these thugs are no stranger to the court systems. And I am betting not many who get frisked and are found with a gun are carrying a legal gun...not many at all. Do you think these thugs have legal guns???.. really? violating right to bear arms.............How about the kids that were killed, were their rights not violated.. to the max? Chicago is making headlines in every newspaper across the country for this carnage... and it is far from the 1st time.. far from it. It is now their stigma.. that is how bad it is. So, again.. I ask you... what is the reason for a total clean out not to take place... what is it? well here we go. As I stated, those who are COMMITING crimes should be stripped of the gun, that would actually include carrying an unregistered weapon IF it has been reported stolen. other than that, I dont trust people to make assessment of who does or doesnt have the right to bear arms based on anything as subjective as names, nicknames, body markings, signs, or hats, or color of their clothes, or the location, or where they gather. none of those factors are illegal and none are justifiable in taking away someones right to bear arms. Chicago has been stigmatized before, but the law and the rights are still the law and the rights. and Military should be reserved as LAST option, not sole resort or first resort. So the reason for not having a 'total clean out' is no one is offering a constitutional explanation of HOW that would be done, without alluding to their own subjective standard of 'thug', which does not have to equate in their mind to having been guilty of any actual crime. [/quote} if you try to clear out a rat nest and you don't get them all.. you have accomplished... nothing. Thy will be back in force in 2 weeks. And the constitutional question is a non question as it would be determined by the authorities in charge of the clean out and based on local laws. And since it is a democratic area, that should make you happy. And since you are not on the ground there you don't have to make the decisions, because frankly you couldn't, you wouldn't know what to look for... not your fault.. you are not familiar with that life style. Others who do have the experience and knowledge in how to identify gangbanger are on the ground. Every major city police dept. has what is called "Anti Crime or Gang departments", and that is all they do is intel on and arrest of gangbangs.. The Dept. of Corrections also has intel on gangbangers.. the ones in prison and the ones who passed thru the prisons and are currently on the street. Same for the State Police. You may think some of the indicators I listed are B/S,.. kidish.. but if you lived in a city.. with gangs.. and you were street smart, you would know differently. Like I say, they already have a manifest of " who's who" in these gangs.. Its not their first rodeo on the streets. |
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The police, MS. who would you like to do the identifying.. a neighborhood pastor? The cops know by history, name, nickname, body markings, signs, hats worn ( yes, the type of baseball hat) color of clothing worn, locations, past criminal records, places of gathering, Intel ect, ect, ect. The Chicago cops ( like most metro cops) are street smart. they know the language and the street sense And past criminal records are key, because these thugs are no stranger to the court systems. And I am betting not many who get frisked and are found with a gun are carrying a legal gun...not many at all. Do you think these thugs have legal guns???.. really? violating right to bear arms.............How about the kids that were killed, were their rights not violated.. to the max? Chicago is making headlines in every newspaper across the country for this carnage... and it is far from the 1st time.. far from it. It is now their stigma.. that is how bad it is. So, again.. I ask you... what is the reason for a total clean out not to take place... what is it? well here we go. As I stated, those who are COMMITING crimes should be stripped of the gun, that would actually include carrying an unregistered weapon IF it has been reported stolen. other than that, I dont trust people to make assessment of who does or doesnt have the right to bear arms based on anything as subjective as names, nicknames, body markings, signs, or hats, or color of their clothes, or the location, or where they gather. none of those factors are illegal and none are justifiable in taking away someones right to bear arms. Chicago has been stigmatized before, but the law and the rights are still the law and the rights. and Military should be reserved as LAST option, not sole resort or first resort. So the reason for not having a 'total clean out' is no one is offering a constitutional explanation of HOW that would be done, without alluding to their own subjective standard of 'thug', which does not have to equate in their mind to having been guilty of any actual crime. [/quote} if you try to clear out a rat nest and you don't get them all.. you have accomplished... nothing. Thy will be back in force in 2 weeks. And the constitutional question is a non question as it would be determined by the authorities in charge of the clean out and based on local laws. And since it is a democratic area, that should make you happy. And since you are not on the ground there you don't have to make the decisions, because frankly you couldn't, you wouldn't know what to look for... not your fault.. you are not familiar with that life style. Others who do have the experience and knowledge in how to identify gangbanger are on the ground. Every major city police dept. has what is called "Anti Crime or Gang departments", and that is all they do is intel on and arrest of gangbangs.. The Dept. of Corrections also has intel on gangbangers.. the ones in prison and the ones who passed thru the prisons and are currently on the street. Same for the State Police. You may think some of the indicators I listed are B/S,.. kidish.. but if you lived in a city.. with gangs.. and you were street smart, you would know differently. Like I say, they already have a manifest of " who's who" in these gangs.. Its not their first rodeo on the streets. like I said, I will never support kids being targeted for their names or colors or location, whatever disguise its given, its unconstitutional use that mostly translates into classist profiling. if they are breaking a law, thats another story. Target them because they have a 'gang' name or are merely in a 'gang ' location, or wearing 'gang' clothes, and you are targeting people for enjoying the rights others get to take for granted (clothing choice, free travel, europeanish names) |
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Strategically detonated MOABs, will definitely lessen the number of illegal shootings in chicago. and cause more death than it did save lives ... of course smh It's a win/win. I'm glad we finally agree on something. 
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Strategically detonated MOABs, will definitely lessen the number of illegal shootings in chicago. and cause more death than it did save lives ... of course smh It's a win/win. I'm glad we finally agree on something. nice try though. Im repeatedly pro life and pro child. |
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So where do these Chicago thugs get their guns? I heard today that a guy had broke into a Wakarusa, In. gun shop a couple weeks ago. He stole about 16 handguns. 9, so far has been recovered, but two of them were sold to two Chicago gang members. Both were recovered after police had caught them after one of the Chicago shootings. Seven of the stolen guns are still out there. Wakarusa, Indiana is about 140 miles from Chicago. It's just a little hole in the wall town.
So, how would one stop some of these guns from finding their way into Chicago? Start sticking some of these sellers with being an accessory before the fact, in these shootings. Levy some hefty sentences onto these providers, the market might just dry up a bit. I know Indiana would gladly extradite these thieves to Illinois for trial and imprisonment. You want 'em? You can have them. |
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Strategically detonated MOABs, will definitely lessen the number of illegal shootings in chicago. and cause more death than it did save lives ... of course smh It's a win/win. I'm glad we finally agree on something. nice try though. Im repeatedly pro life and pro child. So are we, that's why we want to stop these thugs.. now.. from killing.. especially ...children. that is the core of... pro life and pro child. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Wed 08/15/18 08:08 PM
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Strategically detonated MOABs, will definitely lessen the number of illegal shootings in chicago. and cause more death than it did save lives ... of course smh It's a win/win. I'm glad we finally agree on something. nice try though. Im repeatedly pro life and pro child. So are we, that's why we want to stop these thugs.. now.. from killing.. especially ...children. that is the core of... pro life and pro child. except many of the thugs are children without resources or knowledge to get out of the trap they are immersed in every day. IMHO it is not pro child to toss them all out and treat them as less than kids who can be and are still growing. targeting those children as merely dispensable 'thugs' because of their name or clothing is certainly not my idea of pro child. CHILD a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority. Children become adults in the eyes of the law at age 18 in most states, including Illinois. |
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Career criminals should be treated as career criminals.
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Career criminals should be treated as career criminals. true, children have not settled on careers though. |
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I suggest you take a look at the ages of the thugs arrested for these shootings and murders
They are not children They average age is 22-24 and the vast majority of them are repeat offenders You make it sound like they are scared 12 year olds ...they are not By law .. they are adults and they know what they are doing |
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Edited by
greeneyes148
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Thu 08/16/18 10:06 AM
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/by-the-numbers-chicago-area-gangs/
The above link shows the numbers and breakdown on the current main gangs in Chicago to date. There are approx. 70,000 gangbangers. More then any other metro area. The top gangs are the following: Gangster Disciples Vice Lords Black Stones Black Disciples These are not kids... not by a longshot All you have to do is research them and click on photos. The main means of income is thru the sale of heroine. And the man reason for gang violence is turf wars due to drug sales. The gangster disciples have a organizational structure from president down to street enforcers. And overall member numbers between 40,000 - 50,000 they also have a prison general.. that's right.. still got to run things from in there as well. __________________________________________________________ Shot in the back while washing her dogs outside her father's Englewood home, 9-year-old Chastity Turner's death became another gut-wrenching symbol of the violence plaguing the South Side neighborhood. On Wednesday, Cook County jurors deliberated for a little more than two hours before convicting two reputed gang members from the neighborhood of killing Chastity, who lived in the Washington Park neighborhood but was visiting her father for a week after... __ __ __ __ Yep. 2 members of the Gangster Disciples were arrested for this. You see, her father was a rival gang member and he was selling crack.. so.. she was killed. |
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I suggest you take a look at the ages of the thugs arrested for these shootings and murders They are not children They average age is 22-24 and the vast majority of them are repeat offenders You make it sound like they are scared 12 year olds ...they are not By law .. they are adults and they know what they are doing average is not being discussed, those who are kids are. Antwon Rose was subject of a thread here and was only 17, still in high school, while people were just tossing him out as a disposable thug according to their comments. Treyvon Martin, was also 17 and in high school when he ended up dead trying to fight off a grown and armed man, and was dismissed as a disposable 'thug' as well. and there are no doubt many many high schoolers and teens with certain names or wearing certain colors who could be dismissed by the criteria of their name or clothes as just disposable 'thugs' that is not a pro child stance. IMHO. |
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it is really sad what's going on in Chicago. I've been there it's a awesome city. prayers for all the victims
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Edited by
greeneyes148
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Thu 08/16/18 01:47 PM
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I suggest you take a look at the ages of the thugs arrested for these shootings and murders They are not children They average age is 22-24 and the vast majority of them are repeat offenders You make it sound like they are scared 12 year olds ...they are not By law .. they are adults and they know what they are doing average is not being discussed, those who are kids are. Antwon Rose was subject of a thread here and was only 17, still in high school, while people were just tossing him out as a disposable thug according to their comments. Treyvon Martin, was also 17 and in high school when he ended up dead trying to fight off a grown and armed man, and was dismissed as a disposable 'thug' as well. and there are no doubt many many high schoolers and teens with certain names or wearing certain colors who could be dismissed by the criteria of their name or clothes as just disposable 'thugs' that is not a pro child stance. IMHO. Already told you Feel free to research them for yourself Gangster Disciples Vice Lords Black Stones Black Disciples 70,000 strong.. and they ain't kids. They are hardened criminals. And they are the ones terrorizing Chicago. Look at the faces, do you think they will give up that life ( money and power) for a 9 to 5 job making $15.00 a hour and answering to a boss.... Really ? Just click on any one of the gangs and click on photos...and feel free to offer those jobs first to the ones pointing the guns at the camera. And to put it in perspective the entire Chicago police department has a total of 12,250 officers |
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I suggest you take a look at the ages of the thugs arrested for these shootings and murders They are not children They average age is 22-24 and the vast majority of them are repeat offenders You make it sound like they are scared 12 year olds ...they are not By law .. they are adults and they know what they are doing average is not being discussed, those who are kids are. Antwon Rose was subject of a thread here and was only 17, still in high school, while people were just tossing him out as a disposable thug according to their comments. Treyvon Martin, was also 17 and in high school when he ended up dead trying to fight off a grown and armed man, and was dismissed as a disposable 'thug' as well. and there are no doubt many many high schoolers and teens with certain names or wearing certain colors who could be dismissed by the criteria of their name or clothes as just disposable 'thugs' that is not a pro child stance. IMHO. Already told you Feel free to research them for yourself Gangster Disciples Vice Lords Black Stones Black Disciples 70,000 strong.. and they ain't kids. They are hardened criminals. And they are the ones terrorizing Chicago. Look at the faces, do you think they will give up that life ( money and power) for a 9 to 5 job making $15.00 a hour and answering to a boss.... Really ? Just click on any one of the gangs and click on photos...and feel free to offer those jobs first to the ones pointing the guns at the camera. there is some misunderstanding as I am not talking about the adults, but the kids. I have no doubt there are people of all ages in these communities, living among and/or being threatened and recruited by gangs. I am cautious against labeling all the KIDS in these communities merely because of their name or clothing, as 'thugs' that are dispensable, instead of kids who are teachable and still impressionable and malleable. |
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