So they show up on our border and make demands..

And therefore it's ok to import more problems?




The asylum idea was created in a different time. Since the agreement of the UN human rights article 14 in 1948 the world has changed in many ways. The nationalities US has providing protection to has also changed through the years. The same here in Europe. BUT there is a big difference. US has many from Latin America and South East Asia. Europe has nearly none from Latin America and just a small percentage from South East Asia. Instead we have many from the Middle East and Africa (MENA). Only the latest years has US received a significant numbers from MENA-countries. But far far away from the numbers Europe has.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but US has just over a million people from MENA-countries. That's only a third of what France alone has. Your all over total is just what Europe received in only one year (2015). One year!

And the problems began with the increasing numbers of refugees from MENA. So please do some research and see how that has worked out for France and other European countries. Google and Youtube is just a keyboard away.

There is no way to avoid all problems, so seeking to do so by not doing ANYTHING at all for anyone is not an answer. WE have policies and processes in place. They have been working. They will continue to work.

And EVEN with the influx of immigrants in European countries, again regardless of their country of origin(not sure the point you were making there) still leaves most european countries off the charts safer in terms of danger from violence than America has EVER been.

Immigrants and asylum are not the problem they are being made to appear for political sake, not in the USA. The policies work. They have been working. They will continue to work.

top ten refugee countries 2016-2017

US has not even close the number of MENA refugees as Europe. USA with 320 million citizens has just over one million refugees in total. Norway with just over 5 million citizens has about the half as many as you. Sweden has close to one million, and they are as many citizens as there are people in New York! No wonder why US don’t have the same problems (yet).

All I try to explain is that Europe has had an increasing problems directly related to MENA refugees (not other refugees).

That said, it’s not that I don’t want to help. But with 60 million (at any time!) refugees in the world, how can we help all? And why help those with money and means to “flee” half the world around? Why can’t we help those who cannot flee? Women and children left alone in war and terror?

Okay. I dont know Europe. But I know USA. and here the problem is highly overstated. I dont know the policy that would allow almost 10 perecent of its population( .5 mill out of 5 million?) to be refugee. But the USA has nothing close to that high a concentration, nor will its policies allow it.

Yes, that's what I've been trying to say. The problems starts when you get too many people from parts of the world where the culture and people differ much from your own.

One other factor to consider is the difference in the welfare systems in Europe and USA. In most European countries there are good welfare programs also accessible to refugees. That meaning they can have a decent life not working and not even speaking our language.I know you have many Latin Americans speaking only Spanish living in US. But they don't get very much welfare support, do they?

I work for the Norwegian welfare department and have had cases where people living in Norway for more than 30 years and still needed a interpreter! Would that even be possible in USA?

I guess it would be possible to live anywhere, including the USA, and not be a fluent native language speaker, If one worked in industries that were primarily manual labor and not customer service or office work. Because hispanic is now as large as the Black population, we do have forms that are both in AMerican English and Spanish, so language would also not be a barrier to receiving assistance if citizenship documents and other forms met with the criteria.

We also have forms in other languages. In fact a lot of other languages, two Norwegian written languages, Sami (spoken by Norwegian natives), English, Farsi (Iran), Arabic, Somali and Turkish. Sometimes even others. Norway is too small a country to have self sufficient societies of other languages and culture. I believe that is more realistic in USA, especially in the border states to Mexico.

I guess there's no problem not speaking Norwegian as long as you have a job. But when language is becoming the main obstacle for work, then it's a problem. Still, you can speak all three Scandinavian languages and have no trouble get a job. Even English is widely accepted in many situations.

Honduran migrant Ana Zuniga, 23, said she saw migrants open a small hole in concertina wire at a gap on the Mexican side of a levee, at which point U.S. agents fired tear gas at them.

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so this is how aliens apply for asylum.. by cutting holes in our border and trying to sneak in?

I saw many interviews this week with " asylum " seekers. Not one stated a case for asylum based on our criteria for asylum.

But all said they were coming ...to get a job.

the gullible left.......

Problem is, they don't seek asylum . They enter USA ILLEGALLY .

Thousands at boarders trying to get into this Country.

Past time for doing something MORE about this problem.

it is not illegal to seek asylum at the border, by the way.

People have been trying all means to seek refuge in the USA for decades. for decades there has been a processed which works, and continues to work.

US agents fire tear gas as some migrants try to breach fence


"TIJUANA, Mexico (AP) — Hundreds of migrants approaching the U.S. border from Mexico were enveloped with tear gas Sunday after several tried to make it past fencing and wire separating the two countries".

http://www.apnews.com/72efa4f1822241c2817a2fb6aa191fb4



Not what the far right usually says. They usually say that they want to come here to get free everything. And that's far from the whole truth.

Truth is, they are willing to take the jobs that Americans are too proud to take. Many of the right gripe about these people coming over here and taking our jobs.

But many times, that person who complains about them coming here and taking our jobs if you offered that person a job emptying trash cans, they would say, "No". Because that kind of work is below them.

For these people, it's a step up. They will do that, shovel shyt or dig a ditch. It matters none to them.

So, until we can find Americans that are willing to do these jobs, in the meantime, they gotta be done by someone. And since these people are not like most spoiled Americans that think they are too good to work in a field picking watermelons, well, they will try to get into this country in any way they can think of.

Because these people really know what it's like to do without. They know what it's like to go hungry. At least these people are willing to work. And don't mind getting dirty.

It's not right to cut a hole in the fence to try to get through. But at the same time, I can understand their desperation.

Mike Rowe explains the struggling job market in one word: “spoiled”

From 2016

"Former “Dirty Jobs” host Mike Rowe, an often vocal advocate for trades and all things blue collar, was a guest on Fox News host Tucker Carlson’s show and argued that “spoiled” American workers who don’t want to get their hands dirty have contributed to job market problems".

http://rare.us/rare-news/mike-rowe-explains-the-struggling-job-market-in-one-word-spoiled/

The interview.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=63&v=NCxf42yhygk


Bill Kristol: "Decadent, Lazy, Spoiled, White Working Class" Americans Should Be Replaced By Immigrants

Right from the mouth of a conservative.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-09/bill-kristol-decadent-lazy-spoiled-white-working-class-americans-should-be-replaced-

Video clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=67&v=mWJSKhEwjy8

Nothing has happened for decades like it is happening NOW.

Just another Leftist movement.

Really? What is different?

Really? What is different?

Maybe what some of those asylum seekers don't seem to realize is.. that there are many others that come before them who are doing it the LEGAL way that have been waiting ..so with that in mind one should be kind enough to let the asylum seekers know that even though they may stand at the front gate their rightful place is the.."BACK OF THE LINE"..

The UN Migration Pact is nothing more than one major step closer to a New World Order..but that's just a conspiracy theory?..



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Here, I have an idea on how to get a handle on illegal immigrants in any country that is part of the United Nations.

A Variable Fine

Here's how it could work...

Anytime a nation (any nation) has to catch and deport illegal immigrants, the immigrants parent nation is fined.
They are fined for all the costs related to removing that individual from their country. In addition, there is a fine assessed for each offense.

The fines would consist of the costs related to that individual including:
$ Costs to search out that individual.
$ Costs to apprehend that individual.
$ Costs to hold and deport that individual.
$ Lost tax revenue related to that individual.
$ Damages related to persons or property by the illegal immigrant.
$ Percentage of costs to prevent additional violations based on the number of violators reported during the assessment period.
$ Standard violation fee.

That means, all the costs that are currently being covered by the nation's INS enforcers, detainers and paper-pushers that would normally be submitted as costs involved to the federal budget.
All the damaged property, fences (or a wall), any lawsuits from deaths related to the apprehension, salaries of employees, job benefits for the employees and any moneys required to return the violator to their country of origin.

All costs are collected and assessed against the originating nation twice a year. With paper proof to back up the claim.

What I think would happen if the nation is hit in the pocket for violations of immigration laws is that those nations will start doing everything in their power to reduce or stop the violators.

Nations might initiate a "declaration of separation" that requires acceptance from the receiving nation. Every immigrant would be required to have proof of separation.

So, yes, Mexico might cover the costs to build a wall but it will be their wall, not ours. Same with any other country with illegal immigrant problems.

Perhaps the 'effective' solution is to hand off the problem to the nations that are producing illegal immigrants. Let them spend their money to prevent violations.