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I've noticed that the majority of people I met in the field of science or even higher academia , identify themselves as either atheist or agnostic.
Is this a coincidence? Or is it an oxymoron to be scientific and religious? |
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the pope covered that a while back
hhhmm 5 or so years ago when they had all that talk about would religion fall apart if they found an E.T. sadly i dont remember the outcome : ( keep in mind the Vadakin has there own army of star watchers aren't they both belief systems, in a way ? but i don't see why you couldn't be a person of science and religious after all i have not heard of news of them spotting god or god's , what ever , spitting out planets and animals and what not , but we have yet to see the other side of the bank of that sea of the universe cause after all 1 and 1 don't all ways make 2 |
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One does not exclude the other.
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I dont see why not if two beliefs exist:
That man, even scientists, have are constantly discovering new things and correcting things they thought they knew. and that everything man thinks he knows in science is potentially still CREATED by a higher power. |
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the pope covered that a while back hhhmm 5 or so years ago when they had all that talk about would religion fall apart if they found an E.T. sadly i dont remember the outcome : ( keep in mind the Vadakin has there own army of star watchers aren't they both belief systems, in a way ? but i don't see why you couldn't be a person of science and religious after all i have not heard of news of them spotting god or god's , what ever , spitting out planets and animals and what not , but we have yet to see the other side of the bank of that sea of the universe cause after all 1 and 1 don't all ways make 2 The conflict of interest Dat, is that science pronounces fact based on scientific evidence, Religion asserts truth often based on faith. Where is the middle ground? |
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One does not exclude the other. Posing the same question to you nickistaken, The conflict of interest, is that science pronounces fact based on scientific evidence, Religion asserts truth often based on faith. Where is the middle ground? |
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Edited by
peggy122
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Thu 01/03/19 05:11 PM
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I dont see why not if two beliefs exist: That man, even scientists, have are constantly discovering new things and correcting things they thought they knew. and that everything man thinks he knows in science is potentially still CREATED by a higher power. But questioning and researching are in the natural vein of science Ms H., whereas religion is more rooted in faith. So science is evolving . Are the basic tenants of religion evolving too, as more research is conducted? And can a scientist with growing knowledge feel comfortable with unevolving religious beliefs in an evolving scientific world? |
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One word
Galileo! |
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One word Galileo! How did he reconcile the two Hard? |
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One does not exclude the other. Posing the same question to you nickistaken, The conflict of interest, is that science pronounces fact based on scientific evidence, Religion asserts truth often based on faith. Where is the middle ground? My favorite quote that I think applies is this: "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" All you have to do, is substitute Science for Caesar,and you've got the balance point. |
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Scientist are for the love of science
Lovers of god are for gods love Can i not be a electrician and a plumber ? |
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Where is the middle ground? The conflict of interest Dat, is that science pronounces fact based on scientific evidence, Religion asserts truth often based on faith. k let me say it this way then , have we explored everything out there ? no so forth can we 100 % say for sure that some one all mighty and great or multiple gods (if you are in to that )is not out there poppen out galaxies ? no cause we cant see that far so then by science its self would lead to believe that there could be ... because science after all is the whole, i did it this way with this mixer and added this and pinch of that and i got this result 99.9 % of the time ie = repeatable stuffs ie = science something that can be done over and over again and get the same outcome or about its like a 99.999999999999999 something balance scientific evidence aye something that can be repeated and something that has tangible evidence have you see the edge of the universe ? i have not , nor have they told us that they can so by rights , Science has nothing to do with ruling it out really , well all dictating on what religion there are like 5,000 something out there and in any of the heaven and hell ones , i dont ever reading a distance on how far out or how deep they are really you are picking the wrong fight for me on this one, as i am not religious and do hope that there is somethen out there that has not killed them selfs, like we humans seam hell bent on doing but ya got to keep in mind of the way i think as well mother mary had a baby with out having cortuss .. we do that now a days, Doc's are real good at it i can go on , but i think ya get my gyst but any who i see nothing in the science that says you cant believe in a higher power or that it couldnt happen for that matter hhmm forgot think its stage 5 civilization , or was it 7 that makes there own galaxy <shrug> cant prove he aint in the fish bowl if ya aint seen the whole fish bowl inside and out .. i could go and list all the things we cant do and dont know , but uhm no and there is another thought as well , what if god / gods was / are interdenominational , or multidimensional for that matter or other things are tiny human brains cant even fan tum science cant rule it out , highly unlikely , yes i would give ya that , but ya cant rule it out that some advance race or races made this area and put us out here / made us even if we could see the other side , per say the edge of the universe , all they way around us , up , down , etc etc etc you cant say one way or the other science is proof is she there / are they there / is he there ? can you see that far ? |
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Edited by
peggy122
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Thu 01/03/19 05:55 PM
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One does not exclude the other. Posing the same question to you nickistaken, The conflict of interest, is that science pronounces fact based on scientific evidence, Religion asserts truth often based on faith. Where is the middle ground? My favorite quote that I think applies is this: "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" All you have to do, is substitute Science for Caesar,and you've got the balance point. I'm not trying to be difficult Igor. I'm just seeking clarification when I ask the following question.. What belongs exclusively to God/religion that Science can't infiltrate and what belongs exclusively to Science that God /religion can't infiltrate? It's a little bit like the long-term conundrum between the church and the state. Understand my confusion? |
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ooppps middle ground
well let me reverse that are we now god's cause we can fly around the world in day ? make a baby with out cortuss middle ground all depends on the persons view |
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Kinda what "Dat" was saying
Religion as we know it is not perfect and theres always more to learn and discover No matter of what faith you are . Learning and discovering sounds like science to me ! |
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Kinda what "Dat" was saying Religion as we know it is not perfect and theres always more to learn and discover No matter of what faith you are . Learning and discovering sounds like science to me ! big time depends on the Religion cause there are a lot out there that are u.f.o. / e.t. based religions <shrug> |
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Scientist are for the love of science Lovers of god are for gods love Can i not be a electrician and a plumber ? There is no conflict of interest between a plumber and an electrician , They both fix or erect things based on stipulated knowledge they've been taught that compliment each other's craft. Scientists and Religious gurus appear to operate on tenants that are not always congruent with each other. That said, if you suggested that some scientists selectively suspend their scientific convictions for the greater love of God, that makes complete sense to me |
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Where is the middle ground? The conflict of interest Dat, is that science pronounces fact based on scientific evidence, Religion asserts truth often based on faith. k let me say it this way then , have we explored everything out there ? no so forth can we 100 % say for sure that some one all mighty and great or multiple gods (if you are in to that )is not out there poppen out galaxies ? no cause we cant see that far so then by science its self would lead to believe that there could be ... because science after all is the whole, i did it this way with this mixer and added this and pinch of that and i got this result 99.9 % of the time ie = repeatable stuffs ie = science something that can be done over and over again and get the same outcome or about its like a 99.999999999999999 something balance scientific evidence aye something that can be repeated and something that has tangible evidence have you see the edge of the universe ? i have not , nor have they told us that they can so by rights , Science has nothing to do with ruling it out really , well all dictating on what religion there are like 5,000 something out there and in any of the heaven and hell ones , i dont ever reading a distance on how far out or how deep they are really you are picking the wrong fight for me on this one, as i am not religious and do hope that there is somethen out there that has not killed them selfs, like we humans seam hell bent on doing but ya got to keep in mind of the way i think as well mother mary had a baby with out having cortuss .. we do that now a days, Doc's are real good at it i can go on , but i think ya get my gyst but any who i see nothing in the science that says you cant believe in a higher power or that it couldnt happen for that matter hhmm forgot think its stage 5 civilization , or was it 7 that makes there own galaxy <shrug> cant prove he aint in the fish bowl if ya aint seen the whole fish bowl inside and out .. i could go and list all the things we cant do and dont know , but uhm no and there is another thought as well , what if god / gods was / are interdenominational , or multidimensional for that matter or other things are tiny human brains cant even fan tum science cant rule it out , highly unlikely , yes i would give ya that , but ya cant rule it out that some advance race or races made this area and put us out here / made us even if we could see the other side , per say the edge of the universe , all they way around us , up , down , etc etc etc you cant say one way or the other science is proof is she there / are they there / is he there ? can you see that far ? It's true science doesn't have all the answers and readily admits it , but in the areas they can't explain, do they give religion the benefit of the doubt? Admitting that they don't have all the answers is not the same thing as deferring to a higher power , Is it? |
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Is it an oxymoron to be scientific and religious? No, it is not, as explained in my article "God & Science". |
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Kinda what "Dat" was saying Religion as we know it is not perfect and theres always more to learn and discover No matter of what faith you are . Learning and discovering sounds like science to me ! Are the more established religions of the world learning and discovering or are they finding new ways of reinforcing what was already taught? I don't have an answer to this by the way. I was just thinking out aloud |
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