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Topic: The Defective Scenario
msharmony's photo
Tue 04/16/19 08:07 PM

R2D2, Tom, MKgent, Msharmony, this is long over due, but I love you. Seakolony and you all who stopped by a few times, as well.


You are a blessing and I appreciate your faith and spirit and devotion.


Tom4Uhere's photo
Tue 04/16/19 08:37 PM


R2D2, Tom, MKgent, Msharmony, this is long over due, but I love you. Seakolony and you all who stopped by a few times, as well.

You are a blessing and I appreciate your faith and spirit and devotion.

I agree, his understanding and acceptace is commendable.
To me, it is his faith in his beliefs that exleplify what is honorable in religion.
This is the understanding that I swish I had when I first started to wuestion my own faith.
He had a good teacher.

Ya gotta understand, I am not against the idea of God.
I am against the idea of man telling me what God wants.
I don't need a book to tell me what I experience day to day.
I don't need a diety that promises thing I have to die to gain.
What I do need is a sense of self and the ability to make sense of the things I experience everyday.

His gift is understanding that we are all different and understand God in our own ways. He understands that just because we see things differently we all have a common desire, to live the best we can.

Its few and far between that I find anyone that can accept me as I am.
Its actually refreshing.

no photo
Tue 04/16/19 11:10 PM
He is a beautiful soul

Tom4Uhere's photo
Tue 04/16/19 11:14 PM
I dunno about his soul but his persona here is commendable.

Narlycarnk's photo
Sat 04/20/19 11:05 AM
I value hearing from someone who can see further than me. As I am thinking, life in union with God does not need religion or purpose, which are only used for life of free will to cope with knowledge of good and evil. Is this understanding reasonable? Could it be better? What is the purpose that you attack religion for?

I am very sorry about the crash and damaged health you experienced. The fact that mainstream form of transportation is so unsafe makes my heart sink. In light of that, a lot of the other things you have said make sense (transhumanism, etc.).

msharmony's photo
Sat 04/20/19 11:51 AM

I value hearing from someone who can see further than me. As I am thinking, life in union with God does not need religion or purpose, which are only used for life of free will to cope with knowledge of good and evil. Is this understanding reasonable? Could it be better? What is the purpose that you attack religion for?

I am very sorry about the crash and damaged health you experienced. The fact that mainstream form of transportation is so unsafe makes my heart sink. In light of that, a lot of the other things you have said make sense (transhumanism, etc.).



I think you touch on something there.

Luke 13:22-24

Then Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he made his way to Jerusalem. 23 Someone asked him, "Lord, are only a few people going to be saved?" He said to them, 24 "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.


I think the most difficult 'purpose' for mortals to serve is the purpose of serving God, when the world immerses us in the purpose of serving ourselves, our desires, and what makes us 'happy'. I am no prophet or even close. But I believe living a purpose of self fulfillment and happiness, as harmless as it sounds, if it is not within that 'narrow door' could be why 'many' are lost.






Tom4Uhere's photo
Sun 04/21/19 12:26 AM
and what makes us 'happy'.

Why would God be concerned with what makes us happy and why would that be a sin?

Religion has ALWAYS been about sacrifice.
It is ALWAYS about giving and expecting no return.
In today's world that just doesn't make sense.
Understanding life as it actually is, it doesn't make sense.
When push comes to shove and one realizes the nature of existence, the only one that actually matters in life is you, because without you, there is no life.

I value hearing from someone who can see further than me. As I am thinking, life in union with God does not need religion or purpose, which are only used for life of free will to cope with knowledge of good and evil. Is this understanding reasonable? Could it be better? What is the purpose that you attack religion for?

The purpose of my attack is because it consistently makes no sense related to the real-life experiences I have.
Over-all, it makes no sense?
If you consider a single part in and of itself, it can make sense but over-all the component parts don't fit together under reason.
Its that broken reason, the same broken reason that is causing questions that makes me attack religion in itself.
See, if it were the will of God, it would have reasonable correlation throughout.

Religion is a man-i-fest of man's control over other men.
The pretense of the concept is flawed.
The application of the ideal is flawed.
There is too much 'belief' to 'reality' ratio to be taken seriously at our present state of understanding of reality.

The Bible is a tomb of the ideals of a religion.
You would think if it was an instruction from God, it would possess an understanding that exceeds mankind's fallibility.
This is certainly not the case.
My God is very much more that what is presented in religion.
My God teaches via the reality I experience, daily.
It needs no book because it is written everywhere.

However, for the simple-minded that need guidance, that book can give you what you need. Religion persists because people seem to need to be told about things and how to deal with reality. Personally, I have no issue with that but there are many that see it as I and they are not as 'open' about things as I.
My God has absolutely nothing in common with the religion I have been exposed to.
So, since I can't fault my concept of God, I must fault the religion that fails to make sense.
Its all just a matter of understanding reality.

I'm not driven by the values depicted in religion.
I'm driven by reality and how my God actually fits in what I understand about that reality.
I have no fears about my belief in God.
I'm not driven to 'qualify' for forgiveness.
My God requires no forgiveness for me being a human being.
My God makes no promises and presents no rewards.
There is no punishment or eternity of punishment.

My God exists between the moments of time.
Exists universally.
Requires nothing from me and has no plans for me.
When I die, my energy gets absorbed back into the Universe from which it originated.
In "that sense" I will become one with God but I won't experience it as me.
I will no longer exist as me.

I reject religion,
I reject religion's pretense.
I'm living as me, in today, and why should I need to put any type of significance to it?
I require no justification.
I require no promises or punishments in my belief of God.
I don't look on-high for answers and anything a religion might provide me with is superficial and of no consequence.
Religion is a manipulation, a strong manipulation but still just a manipulation.

Note; I also don't watch TV, don't listen to radio or frequent social websites like Facebook.
I am not dictated to.
I think for myself.
I believe the reality I experience.
Life is not special.

I have many 'values' that originate in religion but only because they make sense considering the fact that I live in a society.
Many 'values' I possess are only in place because society requires them.
Remove society and many of my values would change.
Religion in that case, would get in the way of survival and when push comes to shove, Religious beliefs would be the last thing I think about.
Reality trumps religion, every single time.

World population is over 7.7 BILLION people alive right now (and increasing), the SHTF scenario gains relativity every second.
When survival is foremost, no religion is going to help you survive.
You gotta pay attention to the reality before you and act accordingly.
If the SHTF scenario is of diminishing return, religion is only going to give you a superficial security.

Religion is at best, a social manipulation designed to keep you guessing.
The answers you might find in religion are answers that actually make more sense when applied to reality.
I'm not saying all religion is defective, I'm saying a lot of religion is based on normal life experiences and still work when religion is not present.
But, when a belief is reinforced by delusion, it feeds other delusions.
The concept is defective because of the delusional imperatives.
Problem is, many don't see the correlation and ignore the inconsistencies in favor of the needed reasoning.
I often wonder how this could happen but I experienced 'blind faith' and it becomes clear when that is considered.
Religion wants 'blind faith' and expounds on that.

msharmony's photo
Sun 04/21/19 06:11 AM

and what makes us 'happy'.

Why would God be concerned with what makes us happy and why would that be a sin?

Religion has ALWAYS been about sacrifice.
It is ALWAYS about giving and expecting no return.
In today's world that just doesn't make sense.
Understanding life as it actually is, it doesn't make sense.
When push comes to shove and one realizes the nature of existence, the only one that actually matters in life is you, because without you, there is no life.

I value hearing from someone who can see further than me. As I am thinking, life in union with God does not need religion or purpose, which are only used for life of free will to cope with knowledge of good and evil. Is this understanding reasonable? Could it be better? What is the purpose that you attack religion for?

The purpose of my attack is because it consistently makes no sense related to the real-life experiences I have.
Over-all, it makes no sense?
If you consider a single part in and of itself, it can make sense but over-all the component parts don't fit together under reason.
Its that broken reason, the same broken reason that is causing questions that makes me attack religion in itself.
See, if it were the will of God, it would have reasonable correlation throughout.

Religion is a man-i-fest of man's control over other men.
The pretense of the concept is flawed.
The application of the ideal is flawed.
There is too much 'belief' to 'reality' ratio to be taken seriously at our present state of understanding of reality.

The Bible is a tomb of the ideals of a religion.
You would think if it was an instruction from God, it would possess an understanding that exceeds mankind's fallibility.
This is certainly not the case.
My God is very much more that what is presented in religion.
My God teaches via the reality I experience, daily.
It needs no book because it is written everywhere.

However, for the simple-minded that need guidance, that book can give you what you need. Religion persists because people seem to need to be told about things and how to deal with reality. Personally, I have no issue with that but there are many that see it as I and they are not as 'open' about things as I.
My God has absolutely nothing in common with the religion I have been exposed to.
So, since I can't fault my concept of God, I must fault the religion that fails to make sense.
Its all just a matter of understanding reality.

I'm not driven by the values depicted in religion.
I'm driven by reality and how my God actually fits in what I understand about that reality.
I have no fears about my belief in God.
I'm not driven to 'qualify' for forgiveness.
My God requires no forgiveness for me being a human being.
My God makes no promises and presents no rewards.
There is no punishment or eternity of punishment.

My God exists between the moments of time.
Exists universally.
Requires nothing from me and has no plans for me.
When I die, my energy gets absorbed back into the Universe from which it originated.
In "that sense" I will become one with God but I won't experience it as me.
I will no longer exist as me.

I reject religion,
I reject religion's pretense.
I'm living as me, in today, and why should I need to put any type of significance to it?
I require no justification.
I require no promises or punishments in my belief of God.
I don't look on-high for answers and anything a religion might provide me with is superficial and of no consequence.
Religion is a manipulation, a strong manipulation but still just a manipulation.

Note; I also don't watch TV, don't listen to radio or frequent social websites like Facebook.
I am not dictated to.
I think for myself.
I believe the reality I experience.
Life is not special.

I have many 'values' that originate in religion but only because they make sense considering the fact that I live in a society.
Many 'values' I possess are only in place because society requires them.
Remove society and many of my values would change.
Religion in that case, would get in the way of survival and when push comes to shove, Religious beliefs would be the last thing I think about.
Reality trumps religion, every single time.

World population is over 7.7 BILLION people alive right now (and increasing), the SHTF scenario gains relativity every second.
When survival is foremost, no religion is going to help you survive.
You gotta pay attention to the reality before you and act accordingly.
If the SHTF scenario is of diminishing return, religion is only going to give you a superficial security.

Religion is at best, a social manipulation designed to keep you guessing.
The answers you might find in religion are answers that actually make more sense when applied to reality.
I'm not saying all religion is defective, I'm saying a lot of religion is based on normal life experiences and still work when religion is not present.
But, when a belief is reinforced by delusion, it feeds other delusions.
The concept is defective because of the delusional imperatives.
Problem is, many don't see the correlation and ignore the inconsistencies in favor of the needed reasoning.
I often wonder how this could happen but I experienced 'blind faith' and it becomes clear when that is considered.
Religion wants 'blind faith' and expounds on that.




Why would God be concerned with what makes us happy and why would that be a sin?


I only ask if you have children?


And address two other points. One that it was not stated being happy is a sin. The other is Blind Faith is a modern concept and not a standard in The Bible. Indeed, why give us a Bible if our faith is to merely be 'blind'?



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Sun 04/21/19 10:07 AM
Religion is about sacrifice

:clap::ok_hand:
Right on, too bloody. right it is

Narlycarnk's photo
Sun 04/21/19 11:48 AM
All creation is bound in heaven, regardless of if it’s beings believe. It does not require going to the threshold of death to experience it, this can be experienced, partially, in life by us Christians and others who believe in Christ’s life and work on the cross.

My soul is not Holy, only Christ’s.

Thanks Tom so much for sharing your vision.

Narlycarnk's photo
Sun 04/21/19 11:57 AM
The heart, blood, symbolize emotions and strength.

The brain, nerves, symbolize sensations and understanding.

msharmony's photo
Sun 04/21/19 01:09 PM

The heart, blood, symbolize emotions and strength.

The brain, nerves, symbolize sensations and understanding.



I so enjoy your vision of things. It is inspiring. Thank you.

Narlycarnk's photo
Sun 04/21/19 01:43 PM
I value your positive guidance and encouragement. You are knowledgeable about many things and communicate very effectively.

And thanks for the compliment :) :)

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Sun 04/21/19 07:30 PM
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6hye3x

:point_up_2: Channel 4, Jesus female disciples

Narlycarnk's photo
Mon 04/22/19 05:15 AM
Women have historically played a higher role in the Scandinavian countries (like Sweden, Norway, Iceland, etc.), where I expect it makes society feel more like a family with people more committed to each other.

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