Topic: Is synthetic fur animal friendly ?
notbeold's photo
Sun 03/10/19 04:57 AM
Animal rights activists claim that natural fur and leather is bad, and synthetic fur is cruelty free.
Synthetics are made from mostly petroleum produced plastics. So you have land clearing or sea floor disruption, bore drilling (messy), flow testing (messy), infrastructure and transport (carbon footprint), processing the oil (energy use and waste), making the chemicals to form the plastic (more energy, equipment and waste), making the fibres and textiles, marketing, transport, warehousing, transport, retail outlet with energy usage and waste.
Sale and use = wear and tear, creating micro plastic pollution which travels world wide and gets everywhere, and is detrimental to biological systems. Many organisms large and small are affected, some mutate, some die.

Animal based real leather and feathers and fur: farming or wild capture (energy use and equipment (land clearing)), animal killed and processed, (NOT ALWAYS eg sheep wool, alpaca, angora, etc.)(energy use and waste), meat eaten (bonus), skin processed and tanned (old methods or chemicals), fur / feathers cleaned and processed (energy use and waste), produced into apparel (energy use and waste), marketing, transport, warehousing, transport, retail outlet with energy usage and waste.
Sale and use = wear and tear, but the broken or decaying bits of leather and fur and feathers are organic and become food for dust mites and microbes, causing no harm, unless you operate an industrial clean room.

And yes I hunt and shoot and eat meat and use fur and leather and gelatine and aspic etc. so I am biased. And I likely missed a few steps in my explanations, but you get the idea.

So, argumentative peoples, your thoughts.

D_~elso~'s photo
Sun 03/10/19 05:03 AM
Kudos friend!

Datwasntme's photo
Sun 03/10/19 03:27 PM

Animal rights activists claim that leather is bad


wonder if they would feel the same if the animals we use for food , instead of usen there skin to make leather
they just dropped it off infront of there house
<shrug>
not a fan of haven plastics againts my skin
research plastic leaching

any who not sure what is better
with all the micro plastic's out there from the man made stuff
or the die's from leather
i think i would go with man made stuff is worse
cause you can find nano particals of plastic in any water
and dont even get me started on how much of that is in animals (yes that includes humans , we are animals after all even though most dont conceive that)

i dont have any furs (unless you count dust bunnys and dog hair) but i do have a lot of leather , 2 trech coats , 3 biker jackets , 3 pair of cowboy boots , back packs / bags and i dont know how much plastic i have

i have never hunted for my own food ,am a big meat eatter : )

notbeold's photo
Fri 03/15/19 01:05 AM
IS THERE SOMEONE BELONGING TO P.E.T.A. HERE ?
I wanted to hear a logical argument ! spock

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Fri 03/15/19 04:26 AM

Animal rights activists claim that natural fur and leather is bad, and synthetic fur is cruelty free.
Synthetics are made from mostly petroleum produced plastics. So you have land clearing or sea floor disruption, bore drilling (messy), flow testing (messy), infrastructure and transport (carbon footprint), processing the oil (energy use and waste), making the chemicals to form the plastic (more energy, equipment and waste), making the fibres and textiles, marketing, transport, warehousing, transport, retail outlet with energy usage and waste.
Sale and use = wear and tear, creating micro plastic pollution which travels world wide and gets everywhere, and is detrimental to biological systems. Many organisms large and small are affected, some mutate, some die.

Animal based real leather and feathers and fur: farming or wild capture (energy use and equipment (land clearing)), animal killed and processed, (NOT ALWAYS eg sheep wool, alpaca, angora, etc.)(energy use and waste), meat eaten (bonus), skin processed and tanned (old methods or chemicals), fur / feathers cleaned and processed (energy use and waste), produced into apparel (energy use and waste), marketing, transport, warehousing, transport, retail outlet with energy usage and waste.
Sale and use = wear and tear, but the broken or decaying bits of leather and fur and feathers are organic and become food for dust mites and microbes, causing no harm, unless you operate an industrial clean room.

And yes I hunt and shoot and eat meat and use fur and leather and gelatine and aspic etc. so I am biased. And I likely missed a few steps in my explanations, but you get the idea.

So, argumentative peoples, your thoughts.


I personally have no fanatic or extreme opinions on this subject area, but I do suggest for your consideration, that not all people who oppose something, are opposed to it for exactly the same reason.

A lot of the people I've known, for example, who object to real fur products, are opposed to the way that most fur product manufacturers do NOT get their supplies by personally going out into the wild and hunting. Instead, they keep the animals they cut up to make decorative clothing items, in small cages for their entire lives, before one day killing them. They just don't like that whole idea of a living creature, that obviously does have a sense of it's own life, being treated as though it doesn't.

I also know some people who are opposed BOTH to the use of real fur, AND to the manufacture of plastic fur, for the very reasons you give.

But you are right, that some people invest themselves in self-righteous posturing and insults against other people, without completely thinking things through. One of my favorite individual and specific "gotcha" moments, was a while back now, when some famous person was at one of those so-called Red Carpet events, and was complaining carelessly about the use of animal products for fur coats. The interviewer let them say a few fairly self-righteous things about how making clothing out of innocent animals was horrible, and then asked them "So, what are your very expensive looking shoes made of?"

Personally, I just plain don't care for self-righteous posturing, no matter who does it or why. I think it's probably related to my midwestern American heritage, wherein even though I am not religious myself, I still agree with the basic idea behind "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."

notbeold's photo
Fri 03/15/19 05:18 AM
Thanks Igor for an intelligent contribution, and a concept I hadn't thought of, not liking either products.

Plant based substitutes can work sometimes too.
And it is pain free because you can't hear plants scream when they are killed.

Rock's photo
Sat 03/16/19 12:57 AM
I've never taken into consideration,
how an animal rights activist might feel
about my leathers.
And, probably never will.


notbeold's photo
Mon 03/18/19 05:54 AM
Looks like the pro- fake fur brigade know they will lose the argument, and are hiding. So disappointing, and so bored. asleep