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I wanted to put this out before I forget ...  I was listening to one of my shows I like ... and never thought about it this way ... there have been 3 black hangings and they are saying it is suicide... really they expect those to believe that ... being all the violence with the police ... sounds like to me it is the white supremacists groups ... reverting to their old ways ... but what I heard was ... could be a serial killer ... found that interesting ... and if it is ... that group is across the united states ... and not ashamed of who they are ... or what they do to blacks ... they might be able to prove it but will be hard ... since their are some raciest cops ...they might have had a hand in it ... becouse of the charges brought about the police in those ...killings... of the innocent black men ... and yes slavery still is going on now ... along with female & men sex trafficking... wonder if Jeffrey Epstein used young black women or girls ... and how many rich use different nationality's to work for them almost for free ... or even kidnapping ...I heard goes on with some... I did not look at anchamima syrup as being racist ... I just thought it was a very good syrup ... but they have to do what they need to do ... with all the food names ... Thank you so much mystical. There have been so many things brought up here to address in this thread. First, I am saddened by the 'some people have it worse' argument. BEing beaten AND raped my be worse than just being beaten, but that has nothing to do with whether being beaten is bad. Immmigrants do have it worse for very hard work, which means that should ALSO be addressed. IT is an additional issue, not one that somehow negates other issues. Second, about the hangings, I can at least understand that suicides do happen this way, and that current times may make some folks suicidal. I do not believe that is the case with ALL of these hangings, but I understand the tendency to rather think they were than to think they were homicides. Third. I hate to hear people talk about employment and wages as if it's like going outside to pick your favorite weed. As I have stated before, there are many factors, like region one lives in and what employment is available IN that region, and what qualifications and/or numbers are competing for the job opening, and whether pay is commiserate with the expenses to go to a job, like potential child care and transportation and wardrobe costs, et cetera. It is not just a simple 'just get a job' equation. And the assumption of whether those needing or receiving assistance are just 'sitting' on welfare. Welfare does not even allow people to 'sit' on it anymore. The stereotypes must stop. The wages MUST keep up regionally with the costs of living. I personally think the subjective standard of the 'value' of work should be set at a minimum in all regions, based on the minimum cost of living for an individual residing there. AS to the racist brand names, I feel honestly that people are too soft and triggered by too many things. The names are based upon the names that were founded, and as brands, and understanding the context of their founding, I am not personally upset or in need of them to change their brand names. I feel like, with retail items, market will determine whether something is wanted or not. I buy Aunt Jemima because it tastes good and it is the name I know, not because I don't like the particular image of a black woman they chose. However, each brand or company should be able to decide if they want to change branding or image. The market will direct them along the way. Finding a job is almost as easy as going out and picking your favorite weed, and a single person should be able to survive on something close to minimum wage. The issue becomes when a single woman with 3 illegitimate kids gets a job they have to find someone to watch those kids and they have 4 mouths to feed and shelter instead of just 1 and generally they have no skills or experience to bring to the table to make them worth a higher wage, even people with college degrees often have to start at a low wage until they have experience in the field. And if a guy has child support to pay he's in basically the same position as the single mom just without the daycare responsibility. I've been thru the 4 simple steps to keep a job that many cannot fallow. 1. Show up on time. 2.show up everyday. 3.do your work while you are at work. 4. Act professional while you are at work. Millions are able to do this everyday, however many are not able to preform these tasks often because they just don't have respect. Life choices at a young age can affect not only you but possibly generations to come. There are good jobs out there in construction and production and they are willing to train the right people, but these people need to fallow the 4 rules. I haven't really been following the hangings but I will say when a loser like Floyd becomes a hero some people who are just not right may see this as a way to make a name for themselves. While others may have been supremacists who feel the blacks are gaining too much power at this time. However I don't believe there is any kind of police conspiracy going on. With all the video being taken in this day n age its hard to believe at least something would not be picked up somewhere. There may be a rouge officer here or there, but for the most part not only blacks, but also other nationalities are getting killed by cops because of their fighting, fleeing, and going for the officers weapons. These cops are making life and death decisions not only of the suspects, but also their own lives and public safety. I think many have been pushed so hard so many times that it becomes only a matter of time before something happens. In a lot of ways these officers go thru things similarly to soldiers in some of the crime infested neighborhoods and yet are still expected to function as an ordinary person on a daily basis even though we've become all too familiar with the difficulty many returning soldiers have adapting back to civilian life. This seems very judgmental and misogynist. What does it matter if a child is 'legitimate' and how is any child not? Life spans over many years, and many things can and do happen that leave people as single parents besides just some 'illegitimate' situation. Here in Vegas, minimum wage is about 8.50. That means, if you get 40 hours, 340 a week, before tax, before any kind of insurance. If one does not mind living amongst roaches and drugs and crime, they may get a one bedroom for 750 dollars. IF we do not consider taxes or insurance, that leaves roughly 500 a month for their gas, electric, telephone, grocery, and transportation, that is IF they do not mind living with roaches, drug and crime. And then, as I said before, you do not just go out and 'get' a job. In such areas, the competition for even low wage will be high, and employers paying those wages do not want seasoned workers who are not as easily moldable or trainable, and possibly more skilled or wise than they are. I do not know what type of jobs you have competed for as an adult, but I believe the outlook expressed here to be idealistic and narcissistic. Many people have many various situations. You being able to do something, does not make those who can or do not do it any less or more 'lazy' or disrespectful than you. As for Floyd, I do not know who says he is a hero or why he needs to be for his impact upon societal views and possibly societal change to be recognized. Back to the topic of.... Police Brutality There are wonderful amazing men and women in the force. I think the beginning of change is to rid the force of the blindly followed blue line. Fellow officers can and do abuse authority. When they do, it undermines all those who do not. There should be no shame or hesitation in calling out those who do harm instead of 'protect and serve'. It should be encouraged and not met with offense from other members. Those who call it out should be heroes not enemies. Floyd and many others lives may be saved if that atmosphere were changed AMONGST officers. They tell kids around the country 'see something, say something'. Their philosophy with each other should not be 'see something, say nothing". Of course, it is a case by case, and I believe they should be paid extremely well for the risks they take. Someone who'may' be passing a fake bill should not be done that way. Someone tussling to escape and then running to reach into a car is a reasonable fear for life situation in which deadly force is understandable. Each case is different. Once a man is in cuffs, the immediate next step should be transfer to the car. There should be no excuse for deadly force. JMO |
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something that saddens me... is that the police are being trained as if they are going to war ... and that the United States is so divided ...
it is not really not defund it is ... making sure there is $ to give to some of the neighborhood for the for schools and places to hang out other then the street corner ... and also not being always beaten or shot ... over hardly nothing becouse they are black with raciest cops... someone put up a go fund me for black lives matter heard the $ was to help get them out of jail ... lots of people have given to this org but they dont even know who is in charge of it ... and where the rest of the $ went ... I still believe the police need to make them selves available to the neighborhoods to help and not for raciest killings ... but going to be a long road for them to come back from do to all the the violence ... heard also they want the police to be the sole person for their actions ... not the unions or police departments ... how is that going to happen ...just another way of coverup ...as far as I am concerned ... |
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something that saddens me... is that the police are being trained as if they are going to war ... and that the United States is so divided ... it is not really not defund it is ... making sure there is $ to give to some of the neighborhood for the for schools and places to hang out other then the street corner ... and also not being always beaten or shot ... over hardly nothing becouse they are black with raciest cops... someone put up a go fund me for black lives matter heard the $ was to help get them out of jail ... lots of people have given to this org but they dont even know who is in charge of it ... and where the rest of the $ went ... I still believe the police need to make them selves available to the neighborhoods to help and not for raciest killings ... but going to be a long road for them to come back from do to all the the violence ... heard also they want the police to be the sole person for their actions ... not the unions or police departments ... how is that going to happen ...just another way of coverup ...as far as I am concerned ... I agree with the fund for bail for NON Violent offenses. I also agree with the individual responsibility, EXCEPT where it is shown to be a pattern that the force was AWARE of and not penalizing, kind of like what AA did with those places that were shown to have TRENDS of discrimination. |
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something that saddens me... is that the police are being trained as if they are going to war ... and that the United States is so divided ... it is not really not defund it is ... making sure there is $ to give to some of the neighborhood for the for schools and places to hang out other then the street corner ... and also not being always beaten or shot ... over hardly nothing becouse they are black with raciest cops... someone put up a go fund me for black lives matter heard the $ was to help get them out of jail ... lots of people have given to this org but they dont even know who is in charge of it ... and where the rest of the $ went ... I still believe the police need to make them selves available to the neighborhoods to help and not for raciest killings ... but going to be a long road for them to come back from do to all the the violence ... heard also they want the police to be the sole person for their actions ... not the unions or police departments ... how is that going to happen ...just another way of coverup ...as far as I am concerned ... Often times its a kill or be killed situation and its very possible that its one of these "amazing" cops that are involved and now they are dead or heading to prison in your scenario. Should they take the guns away from police? The police are now using guns designed to kill because if they injure someone it can be much more dangerous. They want to do away with tear gas, pepper spray, or any other chemical products because it may injure or kill someone. Some people have died from tasers so do away with them too. And ban all restraint because someone can die from that. Clearly these people are not just stopping and going along with what the cops are trying to get them to do. Should we just let all the criminals run free? Then you get like the redneck father n son in Georgia that take the law into their own hands. You also get an increase in crime and murders, if a criminal isn't stopped they continue to be criminals. I will say putting a juvenile or young person in jail or juvie often just puts them in with more thugs and they learn more bad things than good, there is better way to deal with this. However calling cops racist and telling them to stop killing black people who resist arrest is not going to do anything in the big picture. Things need do be done at the root of the problem, that is stopping the culture of black youths who are wannabe gang bangers. This can be accomplished if they are not born in the first place, it can be developed into their belief at a very young age, it can be shamed instead of praised to become a thug. Pop Culture and peer pressure is a big part of planting the seeds into the minds of our youth. Have you listened to rap music? Have you seen some of the movies that make gang banging look glamorous? If a parent is getting things for free then the child feels that's the way thugs are and they too should get things for free no matter how they have to go about doing it. If anything the black community should be outraged by these thugs that give the black community a bad image. There are many neighborhoods that not only white people are afraid to drive thru, but black people are also afraid to drive thru these areas. There is plenty of white trash out there too, but you don't hear about them shooting eachother everyday. The majority of black people are doing their best to make it in the world so I don't understand why they are not addressing the problems with these thugs? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Sun 06/28/20 02:49 PM
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something that saddens me... is that the police are being trained as if they are going to war ... and that the United States is so divided ... it is not really not defund it is ... making sure there is $ to give to some of the neighborhood for the for schools and places to hang out other then the street corner ... and also not being always beaten or shot ... over hardly nothing becouse they are black with raciest cops... someone put up a go fund me for black lives matter heard the $ was to help get them out of jail ... lots of people have given to this org but they dont even know who is in charge of it ... and where the rest of the $ went ... I still believe the police need to make them selves available to the neighborhoods to help and not for raciest killings ... but going to be a long road for them to come back from do to all the the violence ... heard also they want the police to be the sole person for their actions ... not the unions or police departments ... how is that going to happen ...just another way of coverup ...as far as I am concerned ... Often times its a kill or be killed situation and its very possible that its one of these "amazing" cops that are involved and now they are dead or heading to prison in your scenario. Should they take the guns away from police? The police are now using guns designed to kill because if they injure someone it can be much more dangerous. They want to do away with tear gas, pepper spray, or any other chemical products because it may injure or kill someone. Some people have died from tasers so do away with them too. And ban all restraint because someone can die from that. Clearly these people are not just stopping and going along with what the cops are trying to get them to do. Should we just let all the criminals run free? Then you get like the redneck father n son in Georgia that take the law into their own hands. You also get an increase in crime and murders, if a criminal isn't stopped they continue to be criminals. I will say putting a juvenile or young person in jail or juvie often just puts them in with more thugs and they learn more bad things than good, there is better way to deal with this. However calling cops racist and telling them to stop killing black people who resist arrest is not going to do anything in the big picture. Things need do be done at the root of the problem, that is stopping the culture of black youths who are wannabe gang bangers. This can be accomplished if they are not born in the first place, it can be developed into their belief at a very young age, it can be shamed instead of praised to become a thug. Pop Culture and peer pressure is a big part of planting the seeds into the minds of our youth. Have you listened to rap music? Have you seen some of the movies that make gang banging look glamorous? If a parent is getting things for free then the child feels that's the way thugs are and they too should get things for free no matter how they have to go about doing it. If anything the black community should be outraged by these thugs that give the black community a bad image. There are many neighborhoods that not only white people are afraid to drive thru, but black people are also afraid to drive thru these areas. There is plenty of white trash out there too, but you don't hear about them shooting eachother everyday. The majority of black people are doing their best to make it in the world so I don't understand why they are not addressing the problems with these thugs? What makes you think they are not? Everything said about kill or be killed for paid and trained cops is also the case in many neighborhoods for these kids. They are doind what they know to survive. So do we shame them for wanting to survive, or do we provide better resources in their communities, in school and after school? Or why not more mentors and authority figures who make them feel like they are rooting for them instead of looking down on and fighting them? Like I said, there is a cop group called Basketball cops who do just that and they should be a role model for cops in general. As a community, we should do what we can, adults, parents, neighbors AND cops to help the kids out, not just immediately place them in irredeemable box when their young minds are trying to survive. I expect and hold adults and professionals to higher standards than young minds that are still developing. They need help the most in getting on to a better path. Adults have been given some chance already that kids have not. It is a shame kids should ever live in such conditions. THat is on the parents as well. It is also on society that maybe does not care as much or put as many resources or give as much protection or as decent wages in 'poor' communities as they do middle or upper classes. It is a village. No one is absent of responsibility, and no one can do it alone. |
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something that saddens me... is that the police are being trained as if they are going to war ... and that the United States is so divided ... it is not really not defund it is .... not the unions or police departments ... how is that going to happen ...just another way of coverup ...as far as I am concerned ... Often times its a kill or be killed situation and its very possible that its one of these "amazing" cops that are involved and now they are dead or heading to prison in your scenario. Hi Dust, It is not as you say blithely 'often kill or be killed situation'. It is generally behavior. How come we don't hear of these things in Europe; a culture comparable to US? Point is: If you protest / stare back at a cop (or authority figure) the beast is unleashed in all cops . More so in third world countries, like this 30 second video close to my neighborhood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkP9Es9dxic&feature=em-comments |
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something that saddens me... is that the police are being trained as if they are going to war ... and that the United States is so divided ... it is not really not defund it is .... not the unions or police departments ... how is that going to happen ...just another way of coverup ...as far as I am concerned ... Often times its a kill or be killed situation and its very possible that its one of these "amazing" cops that are involved and now they are dead or heading to prison in your scenario. Hi Dust, It is not as you say blithely 'often kill or be killed situation'. It is generally behavior. How come we don't hear of these things in Europe; a culture comparable to US? Point is: If you protest / stare back at a cop (or authority figure) the beast is unleashed in all cops . More so in third world countries, like this 30 second video close to my neighborhood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkP9Es9dxic&feature=em-comments We do have an underlying violent culture where people need to take caution in all walks of life. However, when people are victims of violence leading to death, they should get some attempt at justice, whomever the perp is and whatever job they hold, if the death is deemed unnecessary or unreasonable. We have little problem making that distinction with civilians, black males, and the poor, but we seem to give someone with a badge a pass more often than many of us would like to see. |
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Edited by
mysticalview21
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something that saddens me... is that the police are being trained as if they are going to war ... and that the United States is so divided ... it is not really not defund it is .... not the unions or police departments ... how is that going to happen ...just another way of coverup ...as far as I am concerned ... Often times its a kill or be killed situation and its very possible that its one of these "amazing" cops that are involved and now they are dead or heading to prison in your scenario. Hi Dust, It is not as you say blithely 'often kill or be killed situation'. It is generally behavior. How come we don't hear of these things in Europe; a culture comparable to US? Point is: If you protest / stare back at a cop (or authority figure) the beast is unleashed in all cops . More so in third world countries, like this 30 second video close to my neighborhood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkP9Es9dxic&feature=em-comments We do have an underlying violent culture where people need to take caution in all walks of life. However, when people are victims of violence leading to death, they should get some attempt at justice, whomever the perp is and whatever job they hold, if the death is deemed unnecessary or unreasonable. We have little problem making that distinction with civilians, black males, and the poor, but we seem to give someone with a badge a pass more often than many of us would like to see. I agree ... heard they let the cop out ... not sure where they are going with it now ... 1 good thing i heard they are taking all blacks out of the system that have not committed serious criminal act... did this so they would not stereotyping them ... and damn knee crap has to go... that will be some justice ... not enough but some... an the choke holds ... an believe police should be held accountable ... for what they do ... 
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something that saddens me... is that the police are being trained as if they are going to war ... and that the United States is so divided ... it is not really not defund it is .... not the unions or police departments ... how is that going to happen ...just another way of coverup ...as far as I am concerned ... Often times its a kill or be killed situation and its very possible that its one of these "amazing" cops that are involved and now they are dead or heading to prison in your scenario. Hi Dust, It is not as you say blithely 'often kill or be killed situation'. It is generally behavior. How come we don't hear of these things in Europe; a culture comparable to US? Point is: If you protest / stare back at a cop (or authority figure) the beast is unleashed in all cops . More so in third world countries, like this 30 second video close to my neighborhood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkP9Es9dxic&feature=em-comments We do have an underlying violent culture where people need to take caution in all walks of life. However, when people are victims of violence leading to death, they should get some attempt at justice, whomever the perp is and whatever job they hold, if the death is deemed unnecessary or unreasonable. We have little problem making that distinction with civilians, black males, and the poor, but we seem to give someone with a badge a pass more often than many of us would like to see. I agree ... heard they let the cop out ... not sure where they are going with it now ... 1 good thing i heard they are taking all blacks out of the system that have not committed serious criminal act... did this so they would not stereotyping them ... and damn knee crap has to go... that will be some justice ... not enough but some... an the choke holds ... an believe police should be held accountable ... for what they do ... Taking non violent offenses out of the system? In the USA? I don't know if that one is true. |
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something that saddens me... is that the police are being trained as if they are going to war ... and that the United States is so divided ... it is not really not defund it is .... not the unions or police departments ... how is that going to happen ...just another way of coverup ...as far as I am concerned ... Often times its a kill or be killed situation and its very possible that its one of these "amazing" cops that are involved and now they are dead or heading to prison in your scenario. Hi Dust, It is not as you say blithely 'often kill or be killed situation'. It is generally behavior. How come we don't hear of these things in Europe; a culture comparable to US? Point is: If you protest / stare back at a cop (or authority figure) the beast is unleashed in all cops . More so in third world countries, like this 30 second video close to my neighborhood. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkP9Es9dxic&feature=em-comments Hey Jaish, I could write a book and still only scrape the surface of the complex reasons the things are they way they are. The most obvious reasons are DRUGS and Pop Culture (movies, TV, music). Starting in the early 1980's the incarceration rate in the United States started to skyrocket mainly due to the United States "War on Drugs". The US has the highest incarceration rate of any nation and really the US has only been a country for a relatively short period of time compared to many and a lot has gone on in that time. In some ways we are still the "wild west". Guns have always played a big role in the US culture for many reasons from Military, hunting, self-defense, crime, recreation, and investment. The US has had gangs since before it was even a country, they have the mob or mafia, and they still have a large number of gangs. Europe has been domesticated for thousands of years, while the US is the melting pot bringing people from all over the world with different back grounds and different levels of evolution. In general you can feel safe almost anywhere in America as the ones committing crimes often have there target picked out such as domestic abuse, or gang rivalry. Crime shows are very popular planting seeds in people's minds. Also such movies as Boyz in the hood and music from performers like NWA and their song "F**k the police" are part of the pop culture, look it up and take a listen, its a song about police brutality and targeting black people release in 1988. Also note what "NWA" stands for, it kind of gives you an idea of what the attitude is taught to many of the black youth in this country. The police should stand up and show force and control over situations, not lay in the weeds and let things get out of control. An average of 50 officers are shot and killed in the line of duty every year and cops kill an average of about 1000 people every year. That just tells me their training has paid off and they are a better shot. Half of the people incarcerated are in for nonviolent drug crimes, but when dealing with drugs on any level that could quickly change with the amount of money involved and the affects of using the drugs. We need to keep our guns while keeping guns out of the wrong hands, easier said than done. We also have to accept the fact that some people will die along the way, everyone has to die sometime anyway, we can't save all of them. |
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mysticalview21
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I do not believe they want to defund the police ...
becouse that can not happen what about the other calls they get ... they have to go to ... I think it is more like reform ... giving money to neighborhoods that have less then others and giving to schools ... and helping them learn more then what is on the streets ... that hurts them and trying to give back to some that have been incarcerated really for know reason and getting their names out of those system ...so they are not under any any data banks that can hurt their reputations to be able to have for jobs ... which is another thing they need to do in these city's and make them safer ... know we do not need the military police coming down hard on peaceful protesters... I believe that our constitutions allows us to peacefully protest I could be wrong but that is freedom of speech ... and if the KKK and others like them has freedom of speech then everyone else also does ...but racism is not a peaceful way for our country especially now with this covid ... largest cases in the world and growing ... is it a freedom to wear a mask ... or not ... I think the better way is wearing a mask so a just in case u do not want your own family's coming down this... yep ...we do have to live with this but it is better to keep people safe then not ... most understand what this disease is doing to our country... why do people have to make it harder ... on all of our health care people and every one you may come in contact with ... we have mass graves already is that how u would like to be buried ... mask or mass grave ... think about that ... |
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I do not believe they want to defund the police ... becouse that can not happen what about the other calls they get ... they have to go to ... I think it is more like reform ... giving money to neighborhoods that have less then others and giving to schools ... and helping them learn more then what is on the streets ... that hurts them and trying to give back to some that have been incarcerated really for know reason and getting their names out of those system ...so they are not under any any data banks that can hurt their reputations to be able to have for jobs ... which is another thing they need to do in these city's and make them safer ... know we do not need the military police coming down hard on peaceful protesters... I believe that our constitutions allows us to peacefully protest I could be wrong but that is freedom of speech ... and if the KKK and others like them has freedom of speech then everyone else also does ...but racism is not a peaceful way for our country especially now with this covid ... largest cases in the world and growing ... is it a freedom to wear a mask ... or not ... I think the better way is wearing a mask so a just in case u do not want your own family's coming down this... yep ...we do have to live with this but it is better to keep people safe then not ... most understand what this disease is doing to our country... why do people have to make it harder ... on all of our health care people and every one you may come in contact with ... we have mass graves already is that how u would like to be buried ... mask or mass grave ... think about that ... Have you seen the new commercial against defunding police? To report a rape press 1, to report a murder press 2, to report any other crime press 3 and we will get back to you as soon as possible, the current estimated wait time is 5 days. Vote Donald Trump! Our constitution does say freedom of speech, however there is nothing about the right to disrupt commerce, block the street, desturb the peace, trespass, cause destruction of property, or harass other people. However there are laws against doing all those things and most of the government is standing by and watching it happen without doing anything about it. If people want to get a permit to block the street they should do it in advance to give notice to all that need to know and so they can take steps to guarantee the safety of everyone, did you happen to see the semi that plowed thru the crowd in Minneapolis because the idiots were on the freeway and the government was dumb enough to let them get away with it. If people want a statue removed the should go thru the proper channels to do so. If people are protesting they need to understand if the crowd dies get out of control they are at risk of being injured, tear gased, or trampled by either the authorities trying to control the situation or the people in the crowd that get out if control. Mob mentality can easily break out, how often have we seen it after sporting events? Not sure why Covid is brought up but many places still had restrictions in place of no gatherings of more than 10 people when these protests were taking place and yet most government looked the other way. Wearing a mask can keep spit or mucus from flying if someone sneezes or coughs, but in no way does it protect anybody from getting covid unless that spit or mucus flies right at your mouth or nose. And if it does land on your mask you will probably get it anyway. And has anyone noticed case of covid are on the rise again, and it just happened to happen after all these people were out protesting. |
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I do not believe they want to defund the police ... becouse that can not happen what about the other calls they get ... they have to go to ... I think it is more like reform ... giving money to neighborhoods that have less then others and giving to schools ... and helping them learn more then what is on the streets ... that hurts them and trying to give back to some that have been incarcerated really for know reason and getting their names out of those system ...so they are not under any any data banks that can hurt their reputations to be able to have for jobs ... which is another thing they need to do in these city's and make them safer ... know we do not need the military police coming down hard on peaceful protesters... I believe that our constitutions allows us to peacefully protest I could be wrong but that is freedom of speech ... and if the KKK and others like them has freedom of speech then everyone else also does ...but racism is not a peaceful way for our country especially now with this covid ... largest cases in the world and growing ... is it a freedom to wear a mask ... or not ... I think the better way is wearing a mask so a just in case u do not want your own family's coming down this... yep ...we do have to live with this but it is better to keep people safe then not ... most understand what this disease is doing to our country... why do people have to make it harder ... on all of our health care people and every one you may come in contact with ... we have mass graves already is that how u would like to be buried ... mask or mass grave ... think about that ... Have you seen the new commercial against defunding police? To report a rape press 1, to report a murder press 2, to report any other crime press 3 and we will get back to you as soon as possible, the current estimated wait time is 5 days. Vote Donald Trump! Our constitution does say freedom of speech, however there is nothing about the right to disrupt commerce, block the street, desturb the peace, trespass, cause destruction of property, or harass other people. However there are laws against doing all those things and most of the government is standing by and watching it happen without doing anything about it. If people want to get a permit to block the street they should do it in advance to give notice to all that need to know and so they can take steps to guarantee the safety of everyone, did you happen to see the semi that plowed thru the crowd in Minneapolis because the idiots were on the freeway and the government was dumb enough to let them get away with it. If people want a statue removed the should go thru the proper channels to do so. If people are protesting they need to understand if the crowd dies get out of control they are at risk of being injured, tear gased, or trampled by either the authorities trying to control the situation or the people in the crowd that get out if control. Mob mentality can easily break out, how often have we seen it after sporting events? Not sure why Covid is brought up but many places still had restrictions in place of no gatherings of more than 10 people when these protests were taking place and yet most government looked the other way. Wearing a mask can keep spit or mucus from flying if someone sneezes or coughs, but in no way does it protect anybody from getting covid unless that spit or mucus flies right at your mouth or nose. And if it does land on your mask you will probably get it anyway. And has anyone noticed case of covid are on the rise again, and it just happened to happen after all these people were out protesting. IMO this kid has got it right. |
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As the title of this topic states "police brutality..." it appears to be even more of an issue than ever before. The brutality against officers have led 150 Minneapolis police officer to consider to apply for disability. This is close to 20% of the force, they are claiming what they have gone thru has led to PTSD, and they don't feel safe at work and are suffering physical and mental affects from the stress of work. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder has become a common excuse for service members returning from war zones and being unable to function normally in their day to day life. These officers are claiming to have suffered similar affects often leading to drug and alcohol use, domestic problems, and difficulty functioning in society. If they qualify they would be able to collect up to 60% of their regular wage for up to 20 years. This would also set a new president for all first responders and who knows what other fields may also jump on this bandwagon. On another note shootings in Minneapolis are at an all time high as we've also seen more of these events in many major cities in the US. And when these people start shooting they don't always hit their target, some kids have been hit, and although the death rate in these incidents are not nearly as high as those injured it clearly has long term affects on the people involved, and a sense of insecurity for those in the city.
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As the title of this topic states "police brutality..." it appears to be even more of an issue than ever before. The brutality against officers have led 150 Minneapolis police officer to consider to apply for disability. This is close to 20% of the force, they are claiming what they have gone thru has led to PTSD, and they don't feel safe at work and are suffering physical and mental affects from the stress of work. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder has become a common excuse for service members returning from war zones and being unable to function normally in their day to day life. These officers are claiming to have suffered similar affects often leading to drug and alcohol use, domestic problems, and difficulty functioning in society. If they qualify they would be able to collect up to 60% of their regular wage for up to 20 years. This would also set a new president for all first responders and who knows what other fields may also jump on this bandwagon. On another note shootings in Minneapolis are at an all time high as we've also seen more of these events in many major cities in the US. And when these people start shooting they don't always hit their target, some kids have been hit, and although the death rate in these incidents are not nearly as high as those injured it clearly has long term affects on the people involved, and a sense of insecurity for those in the city. It is a vicious cycle. It ends when people value human life period, whether it has a badge or money or baggy pants. THe PTSD these officers face is tragic. Yet perhaps they should consider that what they feel may be partially what brute tactics has caused the civilians they police to feel as well. They have endured it for a few months, while the citizens in the community have done so for their lifetimes. People do not seem to quite get it until it happens to THEM. It should not take that for humans to value humans, but here we are. |
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Why don't Black Lives Matter focus on 'black-on-black' crime Because there is already a system that does that. Still running rampant in many Cities. |
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msharmony
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Why don't Black Lives Matter focus on 'black-on-black' crime Because there is already a system that does that. Still running rampant in many Cities. Yes. And protest has never stopped crime. However, it is a useful step to drawing international attention and cultural systemic change. |
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I can't seem to find what I just heard... but NY gives part of police budget to go for funding ...schools health ... after school programs and much more ...
personally... I am happy to hear NY is helping more for black lives matter...and not just avoiding them ...and looking at other issues that need to be address ... I believe is a very good start to help those on the streets an others in poor communities ... as far as other large cities ... they are still trying to peacefully protest ... with black lives matter ... but it very hard with people getting kidnapped... even killed by pepper sprayed.... seems all the other unknown police are trying to start a war in America... and some governors are saying we do not want to have these special forces in cities ... they cause more chaos ... I could understand that ... |
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I can't seem to find what I just heard... but NY gives part of police budget to go for funding ...schools health ... after school programs and much more ... personally... I am happy to hear NY is helping more for black lives matter...and not just avoiding them ...and looking at other issues that need to be address ... I believe is a very good start to help those on the streets an others in poor communities ... as far as other large cities ... they are still trying to peacefully protest ... with black lives matter ... but it very hard with people getting kidnapped... even killed by pepper sprayed.... seems all the other unknown police are trying to start a war in America... and some governors are saying we do not want to have these special forces in cities ... they cause more chaos ... I could understand that ... Maybe the police departments should hold on to some of that money being that officers are becoming disabled with PTSD and they will have to find replacements and pay out some disability claims and possibly law suits. The people dying from pepper spray? How many cases are we talking about here? Would you possibly be referring to the 22 year old Ohio women the the media hyped up as dying from pepper spray and/or tear gas. They never could get their story straight and turns out she died from a heart condition due to a rare disease and it had absolutely nothing to do with pepper spray and/or tear gas. Have you heard of the CIA? How about the FBI? Or maybe the DEA? Or ICE? The government has all kinds of agencies. Due to anti terrorism laws they don't always need a reason to detain these people. Those detained are looking to blame anyone they can, but to call it kidnapping they better have really good prof. Trump warned these mayors and goveners if they couldn't control their cities he would find a way to do it for them. If these cities would arrest and charge those causing problems maybe some others would get a clue, but letting them run freely just sends a message that anything goes and you can do anything you want. Think that's the millennial anthem isn't it? Praise for everything? |
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I know this topic is mainly about Black lives matter ...
but when u think about it ...an when they bring out the governments police ... becouse of what starts with peaceful protests... until they hurt anyone ... or kidnap them ... thats new... guess what I am trying to say is what happened when people used to protest about the wars ... their where protest ... and most peaceful ... and some still shot down ... in a democracy we have the right to protest ... and not get killed doing it ... stop ... whats that sound... everyone looks going... https://youtu.be/bjSpO2B6G4s did you hear how much they gave to the military ...and then turn around and said... should we cut that funding for Va. ... omg remember ohio... https://youtu.be/TRE9vMBBe10 https://www.tribdem.com/news/kent-state-50-years-later-music-of-may-4th-songs-of-protest/article_f19afc30-8d36-11ea-ac67-1baf322654d0.html and yes ... I believe they should rename that bridge ! |
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