Topic: JESUS CHRIST--WHO IS HE?
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Sun 11/15/20 09:50 PM
The birth of Jesus in the Qur’an
The pains of childbirth drove Mary to the trunk of a palm-tree: She cried (in her anguish): "Ah! Would that I had died before this! Would that I had been a thing forgotten and out of sight!"
Then she heard the baby saying, "Do not be sad. Your Lord has caused a stream to run at your feet. Shake the trunk of this palm tree it will drop fresh ripe dates upon you. Therefore eat and drink and rejoice with your eyes. If you meet any human say to him: "I have vowed a fast to the Merciful and will not speak with anyone today."
She came to her nation, carrying Jesus; they said: 'O Mary, you have committed a monstrous thing. O sister of Aaron, your father was never an evil man, nor was your mother unchaste. '
So she pointed to (Jesus). But they replied: 'How can we speak with a baby in the cradle? '
He (the baby) said: 'I am the worshiper of God. God has given me the Book and made me a Prophet. He made me to be blessed wherever I am, and He has charged me with prayer and charity for as long as I shall live.
(He has made me) kind to my mother; He has not made me arrogant, unprosperous. Peace be upon me on the day I was born, and on the day I die; and on the day when I shall be raised up alive. '
God sent Jesus to lead the children of Israel to a new holy book, the Bible. Belief in Jesus (and all the prophets and messengers) is one of the pillars of faith in Islam.

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Mon 11/16/20 06:16 PM
Sorry but I only hear and can receive the Word from the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. YHWH bring the Father of Yeshua who is the living Word of Yah and much more than just a prophet. I pray with all y heart that you seek Yahuah in the Tanak and brithadashah the old and the New Testament and if you believe your faith is strong than do not be afraid because as you read you will know that you will only receive that which is from above and that which is not from above you will not receive but if you do not seek Him there and only seek Him in the Quran than you will only know the Quran. There are so very, many things hidden in the Tanak and the BritHadashah that can only be known by those who seek Him with all his heart having a desire to know who his Father is.
Do you worship the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob?

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Mon 11/16/20 06:35 PM
Amen

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Mon 11/16/20 07:56 PM
Many believe that Jesus was born in winter. And they celebrate his birthday (Christmas) at this time of the year. Others think differently.

Please share your opinion on this issue.

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Mon 11/16/20 10:52 PM
Some Miracles of Jesus (in the Quran)
Jesus spoke when he was in Cradle
Healing the Blind and the Leper
A Table Laden with Food:
“When the disciples said: O Jesus, son of Mary! Is your Lord able to send down for us a table spread with food from heaven? He said: Observe your duty to God, if you are true believers. They said: We desire to eat of it and our hearts be at rest, and that We may know that you have spoken truth to us, and that We may be witnesses thereof. Jesus, son of Mary, said: ‘O God, our Lord, send down for us a Table laden with food out of heaven, that shall be for us a recurring festival, the first and last of us, and a miracle from You. And provide us our sustenance, for You are the best of providers!” (Quran)
Clay Becomes a Bird
Jesus says: “I create for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with God’s permission.” (Quran 3:49)
This miracle is not found in the New Testament, but it is found in the non-canonical ‘Infancy Gospel of Thomas’:
“When Jesus, was five years old, … he made soft clay and shaped it into twelve sparrows… but Jesus simply clapped his hands and shouted to the sparrows: “Be off, fly away, and remember me, you who are now alive!” And the sparrows took off and flew away noisily.”
Giving Life to the Dead
“I bring to life the dead, by the permission of God.” (Quran 3:49)
In the New Testament, Jesus brought the dead back to life by God’s permission too.
The Provisions of Today and Tomorrow
Jesus says: “I inform you too of what things you eat, and what you store up in your houses. Surely in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.” (Quran 3:49)

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Tue 11/17/20 12:25 AM
Hi Mary, you quote from the bible that Jehovah's Witnesses use. Are you aware that they are a cult because they deny the divinity of Christ? They have also wrongly pinpointed the very day Jesus was to return way too many times, much to their embarrassment.
Jesus of the New Testament is Yahweh/Jehovah of the Old Testament incarnate, fully human and fully God. Are you able to confess that Jesus is God?

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Tue 11/17/20 02:00 AM
The Bible clearly states that Jesus is the Son of God.
After the baptism of Jesus, the voice of God came from heaven and said - Matthew 3:17 (New World Translation) "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved."

If God Himself says that Jesus is his Son, then who are we to disbelieve and refute his words?

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Tue 11/17/20 03:13 AM

The Bible clearly states that Jesus is the Son of God.
After the baptism of Jesus, the voice of God came from heaven and said - Matthew 3:17 (New World Translation) "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved."

If God Himself says that Jesus is his Son, then who are we to disbelieve and refute his words?


The bible says so much more than what you are taught. You must not take one verse without balancing it with the other 66 books and myriad verses of the bible. I once studied with Jehovah's Witnesses for a year. I read the whole JW bible and discovered Jesus was God, (despite it being an infamous and error filled translation of the bible). The scripture that convicted me was when the disciples worshipped Jesus.

The disciples of Jesus were raised in a first century Jewish culture and faith system, so they understood the universally accepted notion that God alone is worthy of our worship. This concept was central to the Ten Commandments (see Exodus 20:3-6) and was repeatedly taught throughout the Jewish scripture (see Deuteronomy 4:35, 6:4, 6:13-16, and 32:39, 2 Samuel 7:22, Isaiah 8:13, and Isaiah 43:10-11). The Old Testament was clear about this truth; Yahweh was the only God the Jews were to love, fear, worship and revere. The authors of the New Testament repeated this message often. Jesus frequently quoted the Jewish scriptures, proclaiming the existence of one God we are to serve and worship (see Matthew 4:10). The New Testament provides us with a number of examples of people trying to worship something or someone other than God, and then being instructed to worship God alone (take a look at Revelation 22:8-9, Acts 10:25-26 and 14:11-15). The disciples, like other first century Jewish believers, understood that God alone was to be worshiped. To worship something or someone other than God was to be an idolater, and this violated the first commandment of God.

That’s why it is amazing that from Jesus’ very first appearance on planet earth, He was worshiped as God. The fact that Jesus was worshiped in this way (in a culture that demanded and commanded the worship of God alone) is a powerful evidence of Jesus’ Deity. We either have to believe that thousands upon thousands of eyewitnesses and early believers (all of whom were much closer to Jesus than we are today) were in dangerous rebellion to their cultural and moral law or convinced by their observations Jesus was God:

The wise men worshiped Him from the moment He was born
On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold and of incense and of myrrh. (Matthew 2:10-12)

The leper worshiped Him at his healing
And behold, a leper came to Him, and bowed down to Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.” (Matthew 8:2)

The synagogue ruler worshiped Him
While He was saying these things to them, behold, there came a synagogue official, and bowed down before Him, saying, “My daughter has just died; but come and lay Your hand on her, and she will live.” (Matthew 9:18-19)

The disciples worshiped him in the boat
And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” (Matthew 14:32-33)

The Canaanite woman worshiped Him
But she came and began to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” (Matthew 15:25-26)

The mother of James and John worshipped Him
Then the mother of the sons of Zebedee came to Him with her sons, bowing down, and making a request of Him. (Matthew 20:20-21)

The blind man worshiped Him at his healing
Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?” “Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.” Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.” Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him. (John 9:35-38)

The women worshiped Him at the empty tomb
So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. (Matthew 28:8-10)
The disciples worshiped Him at the Ascension
Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him (Matthew 28:16-17) (
From His first days on earth to His last, Jesus was worshiped as God. Those who were in a position to see His power, hear His teaching and witness His resurrection were convinced by what they saw. Jesus claimed to be God, and then demonstrated the power and authority that belongs to God alone. The disciples responded in worship, even though their Jewish upbringing taught them the danger of worshiping anything or anyone other than God. The disciples worshiped Jesus without fear because they knew they were not breaking the commands of God. They knew they were still worshiping the only true God.
(Resourced from www.coldcasechristianity.com).

I asked the elders why did they worship Jesus if he was not God? They could not answer me. You need to think for yourself and not be so gullible as to believe the limited teachings you are taught.
A christian lady witnessed to me when I was seeking truth. She took me to a christian meeting in a home where people were worshipping God. I had never seen anything more beautiful in my life. I met the true God there. He came to me in Spirit. He was so holy and His love for me (and for all of us) was PERFECT love. I could not cope with the revelation of God, I cried for hours in awe and the shock of such intense, all knowing intimacy that God knew of me and assured me He created me to be His. I met God and His Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is missing from the religiousity and the miniscal visual scope of the Jehovah's Witnesses and their teachings.
I get what you are doing with your questions. :innocent: You wish to convert people to your cult. That is honorable and passionate. But be aware the bible has been studied by thousands of professional Academics and men of God, Jehovah's Witnesses are entitled to their tiny views of the bible, but the Christian world disagrees.
If you really want to learn, study the Bible yourself and quoting the Watchtower's teachings is not going to hold up amongst real biblical exegesis and hermeneutics.
Go hard sweet thing :smile:

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Tue 11/17/20 10:14 AM
He was born around late September on the holy day of Sukkot or the feast of tabernacle where God tabernacles with us. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yuZcLCQgmr8

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Tue 11/17/20 12:23 PM
Yeshua/Jesus is the literal Word of YHWH and bring the Word was there when everything was spoken into existence obviously.
To have understanding of what this is and what the Trinity is we were given marriage and family in the image of our creator. We cannot and will not have full understanding until Yeshua established His kingdom in the millennial reign.

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Tue 11/17/20 10:31 PM
Ha ha we have the same last name. :thumbsup:
Seek your creator, learn of His holy days and understand prophecy like you never could without understanding His holy feast days and what their about and why they were given. The first 4 were fulfilled in the first coming of Yeshua/Jesus and the last 3 will be fulfilled on His second coming when He establishes His kingdom and perfect government for a thousand years during the millennial reign of our savior and king of kings. Bless you

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Thu 11/19/20 04:17 AM
Spittle miracle of both Prophets Jesus and Muhammad
Jesus mixes spittle with dirt to make a mud mixture, which he then places on the man's eyes to cure them.
In a battle, the Prophet Mohammad was informed that Ali was suffering from severe eye infection, that he was unable to see. The Prophet spit into Ali's sick eye, and it was cured. Ali was a chief leader in that battle.

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Fri 11/20/20 11:33 PM
Miracles of Prophets
God raised Jesus after his crucifixion, from the dead according to Christian beliefs. “After the Lord Jesus spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and sat at the right hand of God” (Mark 16:19).
The Lord has neither right nor left, because he is unlimited. There is no space on his right for someone to sit in. The word right denotes strength, righteousness and greatness. The Bible said, “The LORD’s right hand is lifted high; the LORD’s right hand has done mighty things!” (Ps 118;16).
Night Journey:
God sent Muhammad with Gabriel at night from Mecca to Jerusalem in Palestine and it was a heavenly journey accompanied by Gabriel and returned after that the same night. God Almighty said: 'Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the remote mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to him some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing.' Quran.

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Sat 11/21/20 11:48 AM
Bowing and worshiping are different words. All of these verses use the verb to bow,
not worship.

Bowing means tilting your head or upper body, kneeling down, prostrating yourself as
a sign of respect or reverence or greeting ... Many people (for example, the
Japanese) bow to each other when they meet. This means that they greet each other,
not worship.

To worship means to obey in everything, to fulfill the will, to show exceptional
devotion.

Jesus knew Scripture very well and would not allow anyone to worship him as God.
Because he knew that he was the Son of God, but not God.
 

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Sat 11/28/20 03:22 PM
In many countries, people consider December 25 (January 7) as the birthday of Jesus Christ and celebrate Christmas on this day.

The Bible does not indicate a specific date of birth of Jesus, but it helps to understand when it happened.

The most obvious proof that Jesus was not born on December 25th is the fact that according to the Scriptures, on the night of his birth, the shepherds grazed their flocks in the field - Luke 2: 8-12 (New World Translation).

Already in the 8th month of Bule (October-November), the rainy season began and the herds were taken to shelters for the night.

The next month, Kislev (November-December) 9 month, was cold and rainy - Jer 36:22 (New World translation).

And in the 10th month of Tevet (December-January), the lowest temperatures of the year were observed and snow fell on the highlands.

That the shepherds were in the field at night is consistent with other evidence that Jesus was born in the early fall of the 7th month of Ethanim (September-October).

In addition, it is unlikely that the Roman emperor Caesar Augustus would have ordered his Jewish subjects (who often rebelled) to go to their hometowns for a census in the cold, rainy December, when travel was especially difficult - Luke 2: 1-3 (translation of the New World ).

The conventional wisdom that Jesus was born on December 25 (January 7) is not based on the Bible. Many works of scholars and Bible students show that December 25 is a pagan holiday "the birthday of the invincible Sun."
 

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Sat 12/05/20 02:09 PM
Edited by tdion on Sat 12/05/20 03:05 PM

In many countries, people consider December 25 (January 7) as the birthday of Jesus Christ and celebrate Christmas on this day.

The Bible does not indicate a specific date of birth of Jesus, but it helps to understand when it happened.

The most obvious proof that Jesus was not born on December 25th is the fact that according to the Scriptures, on the night of his birth, the shepherds grazed their flocks in the field - Luke 2: 8-12 (New World Translation).

Already in the 8th month of Bule (October-November), the rainy season began and the herds were taken to shelters for the night.

The next month, Kislev (November-December) 9 month, was cold and rainy - Jer 36:22 (New World translation).

And in the 10th month of Tevet (December-January), the lowest temperatures of the year were observed and snow fell on the highlands.

That the shepherds were in the field at night is consistent with other evidence that Jesus was born in the early fall of the 7th month of Ethanim (September-October).

In addition, it is unlikely that the Roman emperor Caesar Augustus would have ordered his Jewish subjects (who often rebelled) to go to their hometowns for a census in the cold, rainy December, when travel was especially difficult - Luke 2: 1-3 (translation of the New World ).

The conventional wisdom that Jesus was born on December 25 (January 7) is not based on the Bible. Many works of scholars and Bible students show that December 25 is a pagan holiday "the birthday of the invincible Sun."
 


It was Nimrod's birthday! The balls hanging on the evergreen tree, symbolize the heads of those whose refused to worship Nimrod. Christ was born on March or April during the Passover.

At the centre of each Pagan holiday we will find a Pagan God. Saturnalia (feast of Saturn) was a Roman festival, which was celebrated in the Month of December to please Saturn, the God of agriculture, during the winter solstice, and symbolized the past of the harsh winter. So, because the winter became softer and there was more sunlight in the sky, the people were glad. Nimrod used Saturnalia for his birthday celebration, because it was a happy time and near his brithday, for offerings, gifts and worship. Saturnalia was the main festivity in the times of Nimrod, and therefor the Romans kept the festival and gave it a new name, Christmas.


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Wed 12/09/20 04:55 PM
The Bible mentions only 2 birthdays: the birthday of the Egyptian pharaoh and the Jewish king Herod. Nimrod has nothing to do with them. What evidence do you have that Jesus was born in March, April?

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Thu 12/10/20 09:01 AM

The Bible mentions only 2 birthdays: the birthday of the Egyptian pharaoh and the Jewish king Herod. Nimrod has nothing to do with them. What evidence do you have that Jesus was born in March, April?


Because he was born during the "passover" which has always been around the end of March or beginning of April.

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Thu 12/10/20 09:05 AM


The Bible mentions only 2 birthdays: the birthday of the Egyptian pharaoh and the Jewish king Herod. Nimrod has nothing to do with them. What evidence do you have that Jesus was born in March, April?


Because he was born during the "passover" which has always been around the end of March or beginning of April. Herod was not a Jew but he converted to Judaism. The word Jewish is not biblical.

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Thu 12/10/20 09:40 AM
Disillusioned words are like a bullet's bark
As human gods aim for their mark
Make everything from toy guns that spark
To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
Easy to see without looking too far
That not much is really sacred
While preachers preach of the evil fates
Teachers teach that knowledge waits
Can lead to the hundred-dollar plates
Goodness hides behind its gates
But even the President of the United States
Sometimes must have to stand naked

Robert Zimmerman - It's alright Ma, I'm only bleeding

Some Jewish dude people are forever waxing lyrical about as if they knew him personally and he was their best friend