Topic: Coronavirus - part 2
Richard 's photo
Fri 12/17/21 01:32 PM



Came across this...
Just to have a bit of healthy perspective in life...


famine and poverty are PREVENTABLE .. . if global society chooses to “ value and prioritise life “ and equality , instead of conflict and power .

Society? You do know that in essence it's a mere handful of people that wield power in the world, right? Not society.
People that suffer from famine and serious poverty live in 3rd world countries. If their suffering is preventable -according to you- I wonder how you think that could be prevented?
Oh, and do you know that all disease is also preventable?
Guess why disease still exists...
Not talking about breaking a leg of course. Disease, cancer, MS, stroke, diabetes, etc. etc.
But that's drawing on the science that is looking for why and how things work, not the other branch of science that's connected with the ones in power.
(Tom made that distinction beautifully somewhere the other day)


Science is still struggling to eradicate /control covid and lessen the harm it is capable of unleashing .... vaccination , social prevention strategies to reduce transmission are for now our best hope .

So that's back to the science connected to the mere handful in power in the world. The science that pretends to know it all? The science connected to making billions each year at the expense of... all of mankind each year?
And what is that 'best hope' you speak of?
A totalitarian worldwide regime, very similar to what North-Korea has rolled out already? Controlling what everyone does, forcing everyone with false premises to take something into their bodies and excluding the ones that do not wish to have that. The ones who want to keep their sovereignty?
I'm not hoping for that, but that is what the branch of science that you seem to glamourise time and again is aiming for.
That's not hope. That's total control. And destruction.

That branch of science can never bring the answer to getting rid of a disease. First of all because the ones that pay them don't want that. Second because they're fishing in the wrong pond.

Thank goodness we have our own immune system that has proven very effective and why we have almost 100% recovery from this disease.
So there is no need to fuss really. It'd be better if they started fishing in the right pond. But for that to happen we'd need the ones in power to PO. Then we can successfully overcome any disease, and also poverty & famine. Happy world!
But not so long as large groups of population remain blind to all this.

hey crystal, lets not forget it is also the same science that made covid #19 transmissible to humans by doing gain of function research on it. and fauci is tied to funding that research.
and the same handful of people that use smoke and mirrors to cancel anyone trying to bring it to lite

Richard 's photo
Fri 12/17/21 02:29 PM




Came across this...
Just to have a bit of healthy perspective in life...


famine and poverty are PREVENTABLE .. . if global society chooses to “ value and prioritise life “ and equality , instead of conflict and power .

Society? You do know that in essence it's a mere handful of people that wield power in the world, right? Not society.
People that suffer from famine and serious poverty live in 3rd world countries. If their suffering is preventable -according to you- I wonder how you think that could be prevented?
Oh, and do you know that all disease is also preventable?
Guess why disease still exists...
Not talking about breaking a leg of course. Disease, cancer, MS, stroke, diabetes, etc. etc.
But that's drawing on the science that is looking for why and how things work, not the other branch of science that's connected with the ones in power.
(Tom made that distinction beautifully somewhere the other day)


Science is still struggling to eradicate /control covid and lessen the harm it is capable of unleashing .... vaccination , social prevention strategies to reduce transmission are for now our best hope .

So that's back to the science connected to the mere handful in power in the world. The science that pretends to know it all? The science connected to making billions each year at the expense of... all of mankind each year?
And what is that 'best hope' you speak of?
A totalitarian worldwide regime, very similar to what North-Korea has rolled out already? Controlling what everyone does, forcing everyone with false premises to take something into their bodies and excluding the ones that do not wish to have that. The ones who want to keep their sovereignty?
I'm not hoping for that, but that is what the branch of science that you seem to glamourise time and again is aiming for.
That's not hope. That's total control. And destruction.

That branch of science can never bring the answer to getting rid of a disease. First of all because the ones that pay them don't want that. Second because they're fishing in the wrong pond.

Thank goodness we have our own immune system that has proven very effective and why we have almost 100% recovery from this disease.
So there is no need to fuss really. It'd be better if they started fishing in the right pond. But for that to happen we'd need the ones in power to PO. Then we can successfully overcome any disease, and also poverty & famine. Happy world!
But not so long as large groups of population remain blind to all this.
perspective is wonderful crystal .. if it leads to positive action to help reduce famine :-) A little off topic but the following is from Oxfam regarding the cause of famine and poverty ...

South Sudan has been dealing with a power crisis since 2013 and a civil war over 4 years

Yemen .. six years of war /
Brutal and devastating conflict

Syria .. largest refugee crisis in the world with over 6 million displaced and living in extreme poverty . Started in 2011 .

2017 Over a million Bangladesh refugees .. 60% children under 18 .

Over 33 million in Central and east Africa .. as a result of conflict , drought/ climate extremes and recent locust swarms causing widespread food shortages .

As for Your other comment .. “no need to fuss “. Tell that to the 5.3 million who have died so from
Covid .

Yes we do have an effective (though variable) immune system but it can easily be overwhelmed . We will always be susceptible to pathogens , disease and death .

I wonder crystal .. if covid recombined with Ebola would you still think it was nothing to fuss about .

There are already scientific concerns about the potential for omicron to further recombine . Transmissibility makes it easier for that to happen .





everything you just posted about the cause of famin and poverty just proved crystals point. those in power wage wars or brutal acts to remain in power or get even more.
the world acted against terrorism in the middle east, made strides to make lives better. as soon as the troops were pulled out. alkida moved right back in, and thanks to those who tried to make things better, they have even more advanced weaponry to keep their hold on what they retook.

to the science:
they have been talking about the possible restructuring through combination of the multiple muation of covid strains( AKA covid 22) for about a year now, it is important to realize this also happens with the flu virus on an annual basis, the more the body is exposed to it, the better it adapts.

the odds of it naturally combining with a virus like ebola are astronomical. because, they have totally different genetic structures, they would have to be genetically modified to become compatible.

the 5.5 million is including those who may have died any way, even if they did not get covid.
but were also counted. because, the covid virus was found in their blood. but that is scarier than the actual number of deaths directly caused by covid.
thats why the covid death count it so low in countries that only report the deaths where covid was the only factor or the dominant contributor as the cause of death. and so high in countries that include it as a possible contributing factor.
but I have mentioned that before.
and since you still repeat it as gospel.
I just thought I'll repeat that the numbers you state are inflated. and not proven.
just as the speculation about OMI is spinning well out of what has been proven so far about it, just because it is spreading so rapidly. ground zero reports, where it has been around the longest still say that it is more of a nescience, despite being more transmissible and vaccine resistant compared to delta. while the world keeps trying to push how dangerous it is.
it is about fear, panic, and control.
people adapted to delta, and strted to relax about it, so they need to hype OMI to regain the grip they were starting to loose.

on another front, bidens vaccine mandate was struck down as illegal. and companies with over 100 workers are free to now ignore it. Boeing was the first to no longer require it. it will soon spread.



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Fri 12/17/21 02:51 PM
Crystals point was to minimise covid by comparing it to famine .

I stand by what I said... famine is preventable .. covid at this point In time is a novel virus which we have little to prevent . Thankfully mRNA Vaccinations at least allow us some form of protection .

Fact ... Covid is capable of recombining and producing a more dangerous pathogen .

Richard 's photo
Fri 12/17/21 05:04 PM
Edited by Richard on Fri 12/17/21 05:20 PM

Crystals point was to minimise covid by comparing it to famine .

I stand by what I said... famine is preventable .. covid at this point In time is a novel virus which we have little to prevent . Thankfully mRNA Vaccinations at least allow us some form of protection .

Fact ... Covid is capable of recombining and producing a more dangerous pathogen .

it is nice to think fantasies and world peace can co exist.. with the naked reality that stares us in the face every day. but monsters do exist in the hearts of man. and as long as man exists. so will those monsters
crystals point was the same one I made earlier, and you tried to cancel it then as well. that dont make her point any less valid.
as compared to other causes of illness and death around the world. covid19 is a trifle.

you said it is about perspective (not for the first time). and it is.
you are fixated on the killer beehive while ignoring the valcano spewing lava and volcanic ash behind you. while we point to the valcano and say the beehive aint so bad.

fact.. if covid was not re-engineered in a lab through gain of function research.
it would would not be transmittable to humans nor would it be so adaptive.
also viruses have to be compatible for them to naturally combine in nature. covid has shown it's self to be highly adaptive. but so far not in the way you suggest. it has been theorized, but not past the point of speculation.. worst case is that it might combine strains and create a new covid culture ( currenly referred to as covid 22)
but some egg head in a lab coat might find your idea interesting enough to try to prove it's viability.
wont that be fun, if it's successful.

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Wed 12/22/21 01:19 AM
Novavax vaccine now approved for use in Europe ... not yet clear how effective this vaccine is against omicron variant .

http://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-regulator-backs-novavax-regions-fifth-covid-19-vaccine-2021-12-20/

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Wed 12/22/21 01:23 AM
http://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-says-14-deaths-129-hospitalised-by-omicron-2021-12-22/

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Wed 12/22/21 01:28 AM
http://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/modelling-suggests-rapid-spread-omicron-england/amp/

Omicron largely evades Immunity from past infection or two vaccine doses .

Richard 's photo
Wed 12/22/21 01:59 PM
Edited by Richard on Wed 12/22/21 02:05 PM

http://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/232698/modelling-suggests-rapid-spread-omicron-england/amp/

Omicron largely evades Immunity from past infection or two vaccine doses .


they are in a panic and are already saying a second booster will be needed in 3-4 months.

omi is transmited easier. and vaxed and pre exposed. are also catching it.

but reports out of africa still remain constant.
OMI has verry mild symptoms, with no hospitalizations, except those who are already at risk of hospitalizations, because of severally compromised immunity.

there's no evedence yet to show that a booster will have any effect on omi transmission. it is mainly just for delta, which reports are starting to come in that people are still catching, after they have gotten their booster.

Richard 's photo
Wed 12/22/21 02:16 PM
Edited by Richard on Wed 12/22/21 02:24 PM

reading the report you quoted. being hospitalized or dying with OMI is not the same as it being the direct cause.
how many die with the common cold every year? does that mean they died because of it? NO?

that OMI
LONDON, Dec 22 (Reuters) - There are currently 129 people in hospital with the Omicron variant of the coronavirus and so far 14 people have died with it, junior health minister Gillian Keegan told Sky News on Wednesday.

Uncertainty remained around how likely people were to need hospital treatment after being infected with Omicron, compared to previous variants, as well as the impact of booster doses of vaccines, which are being rolled out rapidly.

the body of the report conflicts with the headline.

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Thu 12/23/21 09:12 AM
https://www.news.com.au/national/were-not-going-back-morrison-resists-calls-to-reimpose-mandates/video/9d7b32776cd68226d6634515e2414627


Prime Minister Scott Morrison says as a country we must move away from the “heavy hand of government” by treating Australians like adults and learning to live with the virus.

“Yes we’re going to need to continue to calibrate how we manage this virus and how we live with this virus in the face of Omicron,” Mr Morrison told a media conference on Tuesday.

“But we’re not going back to lockdowns, we’re not going back to shutting down people’s lives – we’re going forward to live with this virus with commonsense and responsibility.”

The remarks signal the Morrison government’s intent to move from “a culture of mandates to a culture of responsibility”.


hmmmmm I've been saying from the start of the pandemic that I'm an adult, I'll do my OWN research, I'll make my OWN decisions based on MY OWN situation. Finally a politician seems to recognize that "one size fits all" government mandates haven't worked to end or even contain the spread, that to continue doing something that hasn't worked is futile and a different approach needs to be tried.

Perhaps Morrison has seen the early reports that Omicron isn't as sever with most people experiencing cold/flu like symptoms and that some (not all) medical experts see Omicron as an indication the virus is mutating from being a pandemic to an endemic.

I'll be responsible, I won't be reckless, I won't live in fear.....in other words I'll continue living the way I did before, during and after the pandemic has "officially" come to an end.

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Tue 01/04/22 03:12 AM
Here in the UK

Omicron stats are huge, but look beyond them

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59862568

"Covid infections have risen to unprecedented levels in recent weeks because of the Omicron variant.

But, as early evidence suggested it would, this variant is causing milder illness, for now at least.

A fall in the proportion of detected cases ending in hospital, shows this. It is now five times lower than it was a year ago."



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Tue 01/04/22 04:39 AM
I don't pay attention to the NEWS anymore...at all.
I haven't read anything on COVID for 5 months.

What I did do is actually talk to people in a New Orleans hospital when I was recovering from emergency surgery.
I talked to actual patients who spent time in the COVID ward.

According to those I spoke with, nobody in the Covid ward was on a ventilator. Nobody died.
Patients were treated and released.

Of the nurses I spoke with, all were reluctant to talk about their time on the covid ward and most were disgusted about it.

While there, I was screened for covid twice. They put me on O2 and tried to push me to get vaccinated. They wanted me to have covid so I could be another numbered statistic for that hospital. I imagine they get hefty money for higher percentage of covid patients.

In town, I've noticed fewer and fewer people wearing masks. I've noticed signs to mask have also disappeared. A few still wear masks but now more are without, than with.

Real life has caused me to believe the covid pandemic is more a social pandemic than an actual threat. Yes, covid exists but it is not as bad as the media makes it out to be.

I still 'personally know' nobody who has contracted covid or has been hospitalized from it. I've certainly seen nobody die from it.

Richard 's photo
Wed 01/05/22 08:55 AM
Edited by Richard on Wed 01/05/22 09:47 AM

Here in the UK

Omicron stats are huge, but look beyond them

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59862568

"Covid infections have risen to unprecedented levels in recent weeks because of the Omicron variant.

But, as early evidence suggested it would, this variant is causing milder illness, for now at least.

A fall in the proportion of detected cases ending in hospital, shows this. It is now five times lower than it was a year ago."




local reports say, there are also the highest levels of delta cases they have ever seen in the past. even after being boosted
this is based on administration report of the people who are showing up in the ER's statewide.
and also, hospitals are openly recognizing their mistake about firing non vaxed medical staff.
after realizing they were losing many of their most experienced staff over it. and have now started hiring them back.


hospitals now are admitting, they are, and have been counting people being admitted for other reasons, as covid hospitalizations. if they also test positive for covid.

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/hospitalizations/testing-positive-for-covid-19-in-the-hospital-does-it-count-toward-hospitalization-numbers/

The short answer is yes.

“We are counting those people who are admitted for COVID-related illness and people who are admitted for other illnesses who happen to test positive. This has been going on throughout the pandemic,” Dr. Desmar Walkes, the local health authority, said in a joint Austin City Council, Travis County Commissioners meeting Tuesday.


polititions as well are breaking ranks and admitting the case counts are over inflated:
https://gellerreport.com/2022/01/democrat-governor-admits-covid-hospitalization-may-be-inflated-by-50-makes-move-to-change-count.html/

Governor Kathy Hochul (D-NY) admitted Monday that hospitalizations in New York are likely being over counted by as much as 50%.

Speaking in Rochester, the Democrat noted that people who are admitted to a hospital for something like a car accident might test positive for COVID. These people are not being treated for the virus, but for their injuries from the accident, yet they are being counted in their COVID hospitalization totals.

“Someone is in a car accident they go to the emergency room they test positive for COVID while they’re there, they’re not they’re being treated for COVID,” Hochul explained, reported News 10’s Jennifer Lewke.


Richard 's photo
Tue 01/11/22 12:27 PM
Edited by Richard on Tue 01/11/22 12:34 PM
covid death counts inflated by as high as 75%???
as reported by the head of the CDC??

https://www.planet-today.com/2022/01/finally-cdc-director-walensky-admits.html

According to Walensky, CDC data shows that a whopping 75% had not just one, or two, or even three, but actually had four or more comorbidities when they were recorded as a Covid-19 death.

Walensky acknowledged the number during an interview with Good Morning America.

“The overwhelming number of deaths – over 75% – occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities, so really these are people who were unwell to begin with.”

the CDC admitted,
these are people who would have likely been hospitalized and died even without having covid in their system.
and were still listed as covid deaths because of a positive covid test while being treated for their other conditions.
no matter how much covid may or may not have contributed to their actual death.

Richard 's photo
Thu 01/13/22 11:03 AM
Edited by Richard on Thu 01/13/22 11:33 AM
latest studies out of YALE are showing the common cold could help fight delta and other branches of covid 19.

https://news.yale.edu/2021/06/15/common-cold-combats-covid-19

Exposure to the rhinovirus, the most frequent cause of the common cold, can protect against infection by the virus which causes COVID-19, Yale researchers have found.

In a new study, the researchers found that the common respiratory virus jump-starts the activity of interferon-stimulated genes, early-response molecules in the immune system which can halt replication of the SARS-CoV-2 virus within airway tissues infected with the cold.

Triggering these defenses early in the course of COVID-19 infection holds promise to prevent or treat the infection, said Ellen Foxman, assistant professor of laboratory medicine and immunobiology at the Yale School of Medicine and senior author of the study. One way to do this is by treating patients with interferons, an immune system protein which is also available as a drug.

“But it all depends upon the timing,” Foxman said.

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Thu 01/13/22 11:43 AM
The plan to depopulate the planet by the globalist elite. Wakeup before it's to late to stop them

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Fri 01/14/22 02:08 AM

covid death counts inflated by as high as 75%???
as reported by the head of the CDC??

https://www.planet-today.com/2022/01/finally-cdc-director-walensky-admits.html

According to Walensky, CDC data shows that a whopping 75% had not just one, or two, or even three, but actually had four or more comorbidities when they were recorded as a Covid-19 death.

Walensky acknowledged the number during an interview with Good Morning America.

“The overwhelming number of deaths – over 75% – occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities, so really these are people who were unwell to begin with.”

the CDC admitted,
these are people who would have likely been hospitalized and died even without having covid in their system.
and were still listed as covid deaths because of a positive covid test while being treated for their other conditions.
no matter how much covid may or may not have contributed to their actual death.
here is what the cdc actually stated pitchfork

The CDC said that a new study found that 75% of such deaths among “FULLY VACCINATED “ individuals involved people with four comorbidities.

http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-deaths-4-comorbidities/

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Fri 01/14/22 02:10 AM

The plan to depopulate the planet by the globalist elite. Wakeup before it's to late to stop them
absolute nonsense pitchfork

Richard 's photo
Fri 01/14/22 01:21 PM
Edited by Richard on Fri 01/14/22 01:42 PM


covid death counts inflated by as high as 75%???
as reported by the head of the CDC??

https://www.planet-today.com/2022/01/finally-cdc-director-walensky-admits.html

According to Walensky, CDC data shows that a whopping 75% had not just one, or two, or even three, but actually had four or more comorbidities when they were recorded as a Covid-19 death.

Walensky acknowledged the number during an interview with Good Morning America.

“The overwhelming number of deaths – over 75% – occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities, so really these are people who were unwell to begin with.”

the CDC admitted,
these are people who would have likely been hospitalized and died even without having covid in their system.
and were still listed as covid deaths because of a positive covid test while being treated for their other conditions.
no matter how much covid may or may not have contributed to their actual death.
here is what the cdc actually stated pitchfork

The CDC said that a new study found that 75% of such deaths among “FULLY VACCINATED “ individuals involved people with four comorbidities.

http://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-deaths-4-comorbidities/


oh.. so the 75% it was just those who were supposed to be protected from covid, by being fully vaxed...

and that makes it better, or any less true how??

the admission is still hers regardless of how it is soft sold.
if they were potentially that high amungst the fully vaxed, how much might they be over counted amongst the general Populis?. that may have died from other conditions as well.
just because they also happened to have had a positive covid test.
also keep in mind that CNN and NBC (both very left leaning news groups that were leaders in cancelling this information when reported by other sources.
have also exposed the CDC, recently. for admitting to using false covid numbers.
lets face it, when the mainstream media is also reporting it.. it is time for the left to pack up shop on trying to cancel it any longer.
as more and more of what was once cancelled as mis information, becomes mainstream info..

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) did not say that all COVID-19 deaths involved people with four comorbidities. The CDC said that a new study found that 75% of such deaths among fully vaccinated individuals involved people with four comorbidities. Contrary to the posts above, this study supports the idea that vaccinations are quite effective against COVID-19.

The claim stems from remarks made by CDC Director Rochelle Walensky about a recent COVID-19 study during an appearance on the television show “Good Morning America.”
Here’s a transcript of this exchange:

“Good Morning America” host: “I want to ask you about the encouraging headlines that we’re talking about this morning, a new studying talking about just how well vaccines are working to prevent severe illness. Given that, is it time for us to start rethinking how we’re living with this virus if it is potentially here to stay?”

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky: A really important study if I may summarize it. A study of 1.2 million people who are vaccinated between December and October and demonstrated that severe disease occurred in about 0.015% of the people who receive their primary series. And death in 0.003% of those people.

The overwhelming number of deaths, over 75%, occurred in people who had at least four comorbidities. So really these are people who were unwell to begin with.


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Fri 01/14/22 03:21 PM

What is already known about this topic?

COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective against COVID-19–associated hospitalization and death.

What is added by this report?

Among 1,228,664 persons who completed primary vaccination during December 2020–October 2021, severe COVID-19–associated outcomes (0.015%) or death (0.0033%) were rare. Risk factors for severe outcomes included age ≥65 years, immunosuppressed, and six other underlying conditions. All persons with severe outcomes had at least one risk factor; 78% of persons who died had at least four.
COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective against COVID-19–associated hospitalization and death.



that is 78% of the vaccinated that died, were people that died with 4 or more severe medical conditions. that combined lead to the deaths. and that number dropped substantially with people with only 1 or 2 health risks.
by extrapolation of the study report., the meaning would be, covid was not the main contributor to their deaths. but their overall poor health was.