Topic: Vaxers vs unvaxers. Joe Biden’s divided states of America
Smartazzjohn's photo
Wed 02/16/22 04:22 PM
https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/04/medical-experts-say-michigans-coronavirus-death-count-isnt-accurate-but-is-it-too-high-or-too-low.html


In Macomb County, Chief Medical Examiner Daniel Spitz had a recent case in which an individual died by suicide.

Because they had a family member in the hospital suffering from COVID-19, Spitz had a postmortem test done and found that the individual who died at home was positive for COVID-19. The virus wasn’t their cause of death, but the individual is counted as a COVID-19 death.

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I live a Oakland County which borders Macomb County and read about this when it happened. The suicide victim was in his 20's, shot himself in the head, was asymptomatic, had NO underlying conditions but was counted as a COVID-19 death.

When the cause of death was so obvious the only reasonable assumption is the he was counted as a COVID-19 death was to skew the numbers. The question that should be asked is WHY!!!!!!!

One can reasonably speculate the reason for listing it as a COVID-19 death was to justify executive orders restricting the rights of people.

Ryan 's photo
Wed 02/16/22 05:06 PM
no I'm not kidding Bastet
after 45 years in project management at the world wide level I would think I would know.
but to be fair. your experience in major project management?. do tell

Bastet127's photo
Wed 02/16/22 05:11 PM

no I'm not kidding Bastet
after 45 years in project management at the world wide level I would think I would know.
but to be fair. your experience in major project management?. do tell


With that amount of experience I would think you would know too, but I don’t see it. Sorry guy.

Ryan 's photo
Wed 02/16/22 05:27 PM
still waiting for your experience

Ryan 's photo
Wed 02/16/22 05:32 PM
I'll tell you what. just message me. I will send you the resume and letters to back it up on by worldwide project management skills and accomplishments
But I want to see your. thats only fair.. right
so put up. or shut up ;)

Ryan 's photo
Wed 02/16/22 05:36 PM
you fo have experience in this feild.. right?

Bastet127's photo
Wed 02/16/22 05:47 PM

I'll tell you what. just message me. I will send you the resume and letters to back it up on by worldwide project management skills and accomplishments
But I want to see your. thats only fair.. right
so put up. or shut up ;)



To expect one fluid communication in a time of a pandemic is absurd. Americans have come to expect, and rightly so, to have multiple sources of information and make their own conclusions. This couldn’t be more evident than these political threads. Anything else would be very North Korean of us. You don’t need to be a chef to know what good food tastes like.

Bart's photo
Wed 02/16/22 05:56 PM



is it a good one Mort? do you think I am the only person who is confused by the ever changing direction of the CDC. WHO , Fauci and the Biden administration. Hell. they can't even agree amongst themselves. so forget about one clear direction to the public.
And you really should stop with the Trump stuff Nort ...he is not in charge and has nothing to do with what goes on between the above 4 entities. It just discounts whatever you say.

Well I, for one am shocked. SHOCKED that different people in a profession can disagree on matters of public policy! Okay, not shocked. What is it you're confused about? Is it the changing guidelines on masks and distancing, and then the lengths of isolating? So you think they should make up their minds and stick to one plan, regardless of what the information tells them? Did you miss that we've had several variants of the virus, so far, that differ in severity and transmissibility?

What severity would that be exactly?
Death rate is 2%. Meaning 98% recovers.
Currently critical is 0,1%.
That's all worldwide numbers, and those numbers haven't changed for months on end.
You seem to be one of those uninformed people that believe everything they're being spoon-fed without questioning it.


Covid is now the deadliest pandemic in US history, 5.8million people have died worldwide. Who knows what that might be were it not for restrictions and mandates. To minimize this by saying the death rate is only 2% is careless IMO.

Did you not read the study done by Johns Hopkins university that said the plan to shut down the spread , you know it was supposed to be 3 weeks and we would be back to normal. But it’s been 2 plus years and still no shut down of the virus.But the study done said they got it all wrong. Only .02 percent of lives were saved by shutting down . By locking people indoors with others caused more deaths than letting people move about freely . They took into effect the time that people were outdoors where the virus was much less contagious to others nearby. I’m sure the plague was a much more deadly virus , but their weren’t as many people in the world as there is now. That could explain why the death count sounds so staggering.

Bart's photo
Wed 02/16/22 05:57 PM



is it a good one Mort? do you think I am the only person who is confused by the ever changing direction of the CDC. WHO , Fauci and the Biden administration. Hell. they can't even agree amongst themselves. so forget about one clear direction to the public.
And you really should stop with the Trump stuff Nort ...he is not in charge and has nothing to do with what goes on between the above 4 entities. It just discounts whatever you say.

Well I, for one am shocked. SHOCKED that different people in a profession can disagree on matters of public policy! Okay, not shocked. What is it you're confused about? Is it the changing guidelines on masks and distancing, and then the lengths of isolating? So you think they should make up their minds and stick to one plan, regardless of what the information tells them? Did you miss that we've had several variants of the virus, so far, that differ in severity and transmissibility?

What severity would that be exactly?
Death rate is 2%. Meaning 98% recovers.
Currently critical is 0,1%.
That's all worldwide numbers, and those numbers haven't changed for months on end.
You seem to be one of those uninformed people that believe everything they're being spoon-fed without questioning it.


Covid is now the deadliest pandemic in US history, 5.8million people have died worldwide. Who knows what that might be were it not for restrictions and mandates. To minimize this by saying the death rate is only 2% is careless IMO.

Did you not read the study done by Johns Hopkins university that said the plan to shut down the spread , you know it was supposed to be 3 weeks and we would be back to normal. But it’s been 2 plus years and still no shut down of the virus.But the study done said they got it all wrong. Only .02 percent of lives were saved by shutting down . By locking people indoors with others caused more deaths than letting people move about freely . They took into effect the time that people were outdoors where the virus was much less contagious to others nearby. I’m sure the plague was a much more deadly virus , but their weren’t as many people in the world as there is now. That could explain why the death count sounds so staggering.

Richard 's photo
Wed 02/16/22 06:07 PM
Edited by Richard on Wed 02/16/22 06:07 PM

still waiting for your experience

she said it her self, even though hospitals and the CDC admitted to over counting covid numbers. she's not willing to accept the truth, even from them. as it is not a view point she shares.

My point here is that being de-sensitized to the death rate of Covid is not a viewpoint I share.

Bastet127's photo
Wed 02/16/22 06:07 PM




is it a good one Mort? do you think I am the only person who is confused by the ever changing direction of the CDC. WHO , Fauci and the Biden administration. Hell. they can't even agree amongst themselves. so forget about one clear direction to the public.
And you really should stop with the Trump stuff Nort ...he is not in charge and has nothing to do with what goes on between the above 4 entities. It just discounts whatever you say.

Well I, for one am shocked. SHOCKED that different people in a profession can disagree on matters of public policy! Okay, not shocked. What is it you're confused about? Is it the changing guidelines on masks and distancing, and then the lengths of isolating? So you think they should make up their minds and stick to one plan, regardless of what the information tells them? Did you miss that we've had several variants of the virus, so far, that differ in severity and transmissibility?

What severity would that be exactly?
Death rate is 2%. Meaning 98% recovers.
Currently critical is 0,1%.
That's all worldwide numbers, and those numbers haven't changed for months on end.
You seem to be one of those uninformed people that believe everything they're being spoon-fed without questioning it.


Covid is now the deadliest pandemic in US history, 5.8million people have died worldwide. Who knows what that might be were it not for restrictions and mandates. To minimize this by saying the death rate is only 2% is careless IMO.

Did you not read the study done by Johns Hopkins university that said the plan to shut down the spread , you know it was supposed to be 3 weeks and we would be back to normal. But it’s been 2 plus years and still no shut down of the virus.But the study done said they got it all wrong. Only .02 percent of lives were saved by shutting down . By locking people indoors with others caused more deaths than letting people move about freely . They took into effect the time that people were outdoors where the virus was much less contagious to others nearby. I’m sure the plague was a much more deadly virus , but their weren’t as many people in the world as there is now. That could explain why the death count sounds so staggering.


Hey Bart! No, I never saw that. If you could post a link I’d like to read it though.

Ryan 's photo
Wed 02/16/22 06:08 PM
o k. so you are saying you have zero experience in worldwide project managenent...right?....and that's fine. to fill your messages with fluff. o.k..... that's your thing.
ya see. in my world it is put up or shut up. period. there is no gray area. so the offer will always stand....put up...or shut up.Im not hard to find.

Bastet127's photo
Wed 02/16/22 06:10 PM

o k. so you are saying you have zero experience in worldwide project managenent...right?....and that's fine. to fill your messages with fluff. o.k..... that's your thing.
ya see. in my world it is put up or shut up. period. there is no gray area. so the offer will always stand....put up...or shut up.Im not hard to find.


What are you even talking about?? I never claimed to have project management experience, just common sense.

Bastet127's photo
Wed 02/16/22 06:10 PM


still waiting for your experience

she said it her self, even though hospitals and the CDC admitted to over counting covid numbers. she's not willing to accept the truth, even from them. as it is not a view point she shares.

My point here is that being de-sensitized to the death rate of Covid is not a viewpoint I share.



Did they let someone from Fox News in here? lol

Richard 's photo
Wed 02/16/22 06:14 PM
Edited by Richard on Wed 02/16/22 06:15 PM



still waiting for your experience

she said it her self, even though hospitals and the CDC admitted to over counting covid numbers. she's not willing to accept the truth, even from them. as it is not a view point she shares.

My point here is that being de-sensitized to the death rate of Covid is not a viewpoint I share.



Did they let someone from Fox News in here? lol

no actually it was CNN and CNBC that reported it recently. you know the same guy's that canceled fox about a year back, for originally talking about it??

Bart's photo
Wed 02/16/22 06:14 PM
Edited by Bart on Wed 02/16/22 06:17 PM





is it a good one Mort? do you think I am the only person who is confused by the ever changing direction of the CDC. WHO , Fauci and the Biden administration. Hell. they can't even agree amongst themselves. so forget about one clear direction to the public.
And you really should stop with the Trump stuff Nort ...he is not in charge and has nothing to do with what goes on between the above 4 entities. It just discounts whatever you say.

Well I, for one am shocked. SHOCKED that different people in a profession can disagree on matters of public policy! Okay, not shocked. What is it you're confused about? Is it the changing guidelines on masks and distancing, and then the lengths of isolating? So you think they should make up their minds and stick to one plan, regardless of what the information tells them? Did you miss that we've had several variants of the virus, so far, that differ in severity and transmissibility?

What severity would that be exactly?
Death rate is 2%. Meaning 98% recovers.
Currently critical is 0,1%.
That's all worldwide numbers, and those numbers haven't changed for months on end.
You seem to be one of those uninformed people that believe everything they're being spoon-fed without questioning it.


Covid is now the deadliest pandemic in US history, 5.8million people have died worldwide. Who knows what that might be were it not for restrictions and mandates. To minimize this by saying the death rate is only 2% is careless IMO.

Did you not read the study done by Johns Hopkins university that said the plan to shut down the spread , you know it was supposed to be 3 weeks and we would be back to normal. But it’s been 2 plus years and still no shut down of the virus.But the study done said they got it all wrong. Only .02 percent of lives were saved by shutting down . By locking people indoors with others caused more deaths than letting people move about freely . They took into effect the time that people were outdoors where the virus was much less contagious to others nearby. I’m sure the plague was a much more deadly virus , but their weren’t as many people in the world as there is now. That could explain why the death count sounds so staggering.


Hey Bart! No, I never saw that. If you could post a link I’d like to read it though.

You know, I ashamed to say this but I really not sure how to post links . Sorry but I’m not very savvy with these gadgets. But I’m sure you could goggle it. Let me know if you find it. Thanks

Bastet127's photo
Wed 02/16/22 06:16 PM






is it a good one Mort? do you think I am the only person who is confused by the ever changing direction of the CDC. WHO , Fauci and the Biden administration. Hell. they can't even agree amongst themselves. so forget about one clear direction to the public.
And you really should stop with the Trump stuff Nort ...he is not in charge and has nothing to do with what goes on between the above 4 entities. It just discounts whatever you say.

Well I, for one am shocked. SHOCKED that different people in a profession can disagree on matters of public policy! Okay, not shocked. What is it you're confused about? Is it the changing guidelines on masks and distancing, and then the lengths of isolating? So you think they should make up their minds and stick to one plan, regardless of what the information tells them? Did you miss that we've had several variants of the virus, so far, that differ in severity and transmissibility?

What severity would that be exactly?
Death rate is 2%. Meaning 98% recovers.
Currently critical is 0,1%.
That's all worldwide numbers, and those numbers haven't changed for months on end.
You seem to be one of those uninformed people that believe everything they're being spoon-fed without questioning it.


Covid is now the deadliest pandemic in US history, 5.8million people have died worldwide. Who knows what that might be were it not for restrictions and mandates. To minimize this by saying the death rate is only 2% is careless IMO.

Did you not read the study done by Johns Hopkins university that said the plan to shut down the spread , you know it was supposed to be 3 weeks and we would be back to normal. But it’s been 2 plus years and still no shut down of the virus.But the study done said they got it all wrong. Only .02 percent of lives were saved by shutting down . By locking people indoors with others caused more deaths than letting people move about freely . They took into effect the time that people were outdoors where the virus was much less contagious to others nearby. I’m sure the plague was a much more deadly virus , but their weren’t as many people in the world as there is now. That could explain why the death count sounds so staggering.


Hey Bart! No, I never saw that. If you could post a link I’d like to read it though.

You know, I ashamed to say this but I really not sure how to post links . Sorry but I’m not very savvy with these gadgets. But I’m sure you could goggle it.


No worries! I did google but didn’t find anything specifically linked to JH.

Richard 's photo
Wed 02/16/22 06:17 PM
Edited by Richard on Wed 02/16/22 06:18 PM





is it a good one Mort? do you think I am the only person who is confused by the ever changing direction of the CDC. WHO , Fauci and the Biden administration. Hell. they can't even agree amongst themselves. so forget about one clear direction to the public.
And you really should stop with the Trump stuff Nort ...he is not in charge and has nothing to do with what goes on between the above 4 entities. It just discounts whatever you say.

Well I, for one am shocked. SHOCKED that different people in a profession can disagree on matters of public policy! Okay, not shocked. What is it you're confused about? Is it the changing guidelines on masks and distancing, and then the lengths of isolating? So you think they should make up their minds and stick to one plan, regardless of what the information tells them? Did you miss that we've had several variants of the virus, so far, that differ in severity and transmissibility?

What severity would that be exactly?
Death rate is 2%. Meaning 98% recovers.
Currently critical is 0,1%.
That's all worldwide numbers, and those numbers haven't changed for months on end.
You seem to be one of those uninformed people that believe everything they're being spoon-fed without questioning it.


Covid is now the deadliest pandemic in US history, 5.8million people have died worldwide. Who knows what that might be were it not for restrictions and mandates. To minimize this by saying the death rate is only 2% is careless IMO.

Did you not read the study done by Johns Hopkins university that said the plan to shut down the spread , you know it was supposed to be 3 weeks and we would be back to normal. But it’s been 2 plus years and still no shut down of the virus.But the study done said they got it all wrong. Only .02 percent of lives were saved by shutting down . By locking people indoors with others caused more deaths than letting people move about freely . They took into effect the time that people were outdoors where the virus was much less contagious to others nearby. I’m sure the plague was a much more deadly virus , but their weren’t as many people in the world as there is now. That could explain why the death count sounds so staggering.


Hey Bart! No, I never saw that. If you could post a link I’d like to read it though.

bart embeded the page address on page 6 where he first spoke about it.
you can copy and paste the address to read the study

Bastet127's photo
Wed 02/16/22 06:18 PM




still waiting for your experience

she said it her self, even though hospitals and the CDC admitted to over counting covid numbers. she's not willing to accept the truth, even from them. as it is not a view point she shares.

My point here is that being de-sensitized to the death rate of Covid is not a viewpoint I share.



Did they let someone from Fox News in here? lol

no actually it was CNN and CNBC that reported it recently. you know the same guy's that canceled fox about a year back, for originally talking about it??



But, you paraphrased and didn’t represent my entire point to fit your narrative so obviously, Fox News.

Bastet127's photo
Wed 02/16/22 06:24 PM






is it a good one Mort? do you think I am the only person who is confused by the ever changing direction of the CDC. WHO , Fauci and the Biden administration. Hell. they can't even agree amongst themselves. so forget about one clear direction to the public.
And you really should stop with the Trump stuff Nort ...he is not in charge and has nothing to do with what goes on between the above 4 entities. It just discounts whatever you say.

Well I, for one am shocked. SHOCKED that different people in a profession can disagree on matters of public policy! Okay, not shocked. What is it you're confused about? Is it the changing guidelines on masks and distancing, and then the lengths of isolating? So you think they should make up their minds and stick to one plan, regardless of what the information tells them? Did you miss that we've had several variants of the virus, so far, that differ in severity and transmissibility?

What severity would that be exactly?
Death rate is 2%. Meaning 98% recovers.
Currently critical is 0,1%.
That's all worldwide numbers, and those numbers haven't changed for months on end.
You seem to be one of those uninformed people that believe everything they're being spoon-fed without questioning it.


Covid is now the deadliest pandemic in US history, 5.8million people have died worldwide. Who knows what that might be were it not for restrictions and mandates. To minimize this by saying the death rate is only 2% is careless IMO.

Did you not read the study done by Johns Hopkins university that said the plan to shut down the spread , you know it was supposed to be 3 weeks and we would be back to normal. But it’s been 2 plus years and still no shut down of the virus.But the study done said they got it all wrong. Only .02 percent of lives were saved by shutting down . By locking people indoors with others caused more deaths than letting people move about freely . They took into effect the time that people were outdoors where the virus was much less contagious to others nearby. I’m sure the plague was a much more deadly virus , but their weren’t as many people in the world as there is now. That could explain why the death count sounds so staggering.


Hey Bart! No, I never saw that. If you could post a link I’d like to read it though.

bart embeded the page address on page 6 where he first spoke about it.
you can copy and paste the address to read the study



Okay, thanks! And I found out in 5 minutes of googling it’s not actually a legit John’s Hopkins study. You can google that if you like.