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| Topic: Is the Russian Wagner Group starting a coupe? | |
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Prigoschin, the leader of this mercenaries group, seems to have gotten out of the Kremlin’s control. He withdrew his troops from Ukraine and they are marching now in the opposite direction. So far they claimed the control over the Russian City of Voronezh south of Moscow.
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I’m not sure that Prigozhin is directly challenging Putin’s power but Prigozhin is certainly making the situation even more difficult. Prigozhin has stated that it’s "not a military coup but a march for justice". How that is interpreted by Putin remains to be seen. Prigozhin also has substantial public support so it will be interesting to see how this will pan out and what Putin will do to stop Prigozhin and his mercenaries in their tracks.
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But does he really expect to win the struggle against the Russian army?
We all have been surprised by how weak and incompetent the Russian army is. But it’s still an army that has hundreds of thousands of soldiers while Wagner has no more than 25,000 fighters |
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Prigozhin on Putin: “The President is mistaken. No one is going to turn themselves in at his command”
It is almost officially a coupe now |
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Whether Prigozhin reaches his destination depends on the Russian army I’d say but it seems unlikely Prigozhin will win especially on Russian soil and due to, as you say, his small army.
“It seems more like some kind of show, rather than a real revolution." said a military doctor and he could be right. Both leaders are known to be volatile so who knows but it certainly appears to be a revolution. |
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“It seems more like some kind of show, rather than a real revolution." said a military doctor and he could be right. Both leaders are known to be volatile so who knows but it certainly appears to be a revolution. They're way so far from Moscow (more than 1000km) so chances are extremely slim that they're gonna even reach the capital. But it's still a direct challenge to the Kremlin |
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Edited by
Dramatic Muffin
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Sat 06/24/23 05:19 AM
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You both make good points. It's really difficult to know what Prigozhin is thinking. I'm wondering if he realizes that his soldiers are dying in Ukraine anyway, so if they're going to die, maybe they can make a difference for the people in their own country by taking a stand against Putin's regime? Or maybe he's hoping Putin will remove his military leaders and install himself in their place? That way they'd at least receive the weapons/ammo they need in fighting Ukraine. Who knows with this guy?
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That fella mainly thinks about lining his pockets with any kind of money. I have a couple of colleagues from Ukraine, and they don't trust him, even if he is fleecing Putin.
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That fella mainly thinks about lining his pockets with any kind of money. I have a couple of colleagues from Ukraine, and they don't trust him, even if he is fleecing Putin. Why would anyone trust a leader of group of mercenaries and criminals? He’s a gangster. The only difference between him and Putin is that the latter has an official position. The mercenaries have definitely no chance in defeating the Russian armed forces if they choose a direct confrontation. Their best bet is to start a Guerrilla warfare in order to gain more followers to start some sort of a revolution against the oligarchy in Russia (despite the fact that Prigozhin is one of the prominent oligarchs |
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What really surprises me though is the ease of movement of the Wagner military columns on the Russian highways… it’s like they’re going in a picnic.
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That fella mainly thinks about lining his pockets with any kind of money. I have a couple of colleagues from Ukraine, and they don't trust him, even if he is fleecing Putin. Why would anyone trust a leader of group of mercenaries and criminals? He’s a gangster. The only difference between him and Putin is that the latter has an official position. The mercenaries have definitely no chance in defeating the Russian armed forces if they choose a direct confrontation. Their best bet is to start a Guerrilla warfare in order to gain more followers to start some sort of a revolution against the oligarchy in Russia (despite the fact that Prigozhin is one of the prominent oligarchs The problem is, Ukrainians might be lured into a trap, thinking Wagner is on their side. Sure they are grateful for any help in defeating the invader. But in case of Wagner it will come with a high price. |
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That fella mainly thinks about lining his pockets with any kind of money. I have a couple of colleagues from Ukraine, and they don't trust him, even if he is fleecing Putin. Why would anyone trust a leader of group of mercenaries and criminals? He’s a gangster. The only difference between him and Putin is that the latter has an official position. The mercenaries have definitely no chance in defeating the Russian armed forces if they choose a direct confrontation. Their best bet is to start a Guerrilla warfare in order to gain more followers to start some sort of a revolution against the oligarchy in Russia (despite the fact that Prigozhin is one of the prominent oligarchs The problem is, Ukrainians might be lured into a trap, thinking Wagner is on their side. Sure they are grateful for any help in defeating the invader. But in case of Wagner it will come with a high price. Nah… not at all. It’s only a struggle on the power. It was obvious that Prigozhin would do that at a certain point because Putin started to lose his support with every new day in his failing invasion |
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Putin got badly humiliated With this agreement. Man I’ve never expected to see him in such a weak position.
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I don't think Prigozhin has the power or support of the people to stage a coup. But looks like a lot of folks are getting fed up with Vlads leadership.
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Impossible .. Baba Vanga did not predict a coup
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So Prigoshin decided suddenly to end everything and leave the country when he was less than 200km from Moscow with almost no opposition from the Russian army all the way from Ukraine.
That's the weirdest rebellion I've ever seen. |
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He may have thought the people were going to rise up and join him, especially the military.
Looks like that plan went down the proverbial crapper. |
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He may have thought the people were going to rise up and join him, especially the military. Looks like that plan went down the proverbial crapper. That makes sense |
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Yevgeny Prigozhin dies in plane crash. He didn't need to jump out of the window as those who opposed Putin before... The whole aeroplane jumped down 🤦
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Just heard the news too.
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