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iceprincess's photo
Mon 03/24/08 03:36 PM
Ok so i'm gonna post a poem you tell me whats behind it? What caused the writer to put such thoughts into words? Is it inflamitory simply because the writer expresses hate of God? In a while I'll tell you what it was wrote about and see if the opinion is still the same.

GOD.........
I hate you
Words can not express how much
I hate you
Tears raining down
Tears of anquish
Tears of anger
I can't speak
Thoughts rushing over and over
God i wish i could get away with it
God i wish i knew how
I pray
I scream silently
I smile while i die inside
I pray
All the while
I hate you
I push against your will testing it
Knowing I'll lose
I have to try
I need to know I've pushed as far as I can
You may be bigger than me God
I still hate you
Help ME PLEASE!!!!!!!

FearandLoathing's photo
Mon 03/24/08 03:39 PM
God is funny like that to me. This conveys belief in a God but also the idea that one's problems lie in the hands of this God...honestly, sounds like something went wrong in life and the writer rather than blame his/her actions for the wrong...they blame God, unfourtanetly not a rarity in religion...

azrae1l's photo
Mon 03/24/08 03:42 PM
OR!!!!! she's using god like gawd! why can't i find my pants?!

Jess642's photo
Mon 03/24/08 03:45 PM

Ok so i'm gonna post a poem you tell me whats behind it? What caused the writer to put such thoughts into words? Is it inflamitory simply because the writer expresses hate of God? In a while I'll tell you what it was wrote about and see if the opinion is still the same.

GOD.........
I hate you
Words can not express how much
I hate you
Tears raining down
Tears of anquish
Tears of anger
I can't speak
Thoughts rushing over and over
God i wish i could get away with it
God i wish i knew how
I pray
I scream silently
I smile while i die inside
I pray
All the while
I hate you
I push against your will testing it
Knowing I'll lose
I have to try
I need to know I've pushed as far as I can
You may be bigger than me God
I still hate you
Help ME PLEASE!!!!!!!



It feels the intense frustration, and sense of being lost, is overwhelming the poet.

The testing of one's faith, in themselves, in their beliefs....the whole 'handing it over' thing.... is tormenting the poet.


flowerforyou

iceprincess's photo
Mon 03/24/08 03:48 PM

God is funny like that to me. This conveys belief in a God but also the idea that one's problems lie in the hands of this God...honestly, sounds like something went wrong in life and the writer rather than blame his/her actions for the wrong...they blame God, unfourtanetly not a rarity in religion...


so your opinion would be that the "wrong" is something that would have been within the writers control explicitly? Therefor the writer is looking to god to "rescue" them from their own creation?

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Mon 03/24/08 03:51 PM


God is funny like that to me. This conveys belief in a God but also the idea that one's problems lie in the hands of this God...honestly, sounds like something went wrong in life and the writer rather than blame his/her actions for the wrong...they blame God, unfourtanetly not a rarity in religion...


so your opinion would be that the "wrong" is something that would have been within the writers control explicitly? Therefor the writer is looking to god to "rescue" them from their own creation?


Not necassarily in the writers control, but when something goes wrong it is wrong to blame a God for this. I understand when a family member dies (young or old, doesn't matter for this explanation) that one is not in control of that situation, and so where do some turn in this time? God why...etc. Instead of understanding the logic behind why it happened they turn to God. Again, unfourtanetly not a rarity.

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Mon 03/24/08 03:54 PM



God is funny like that to me. This conveys belief in a God but also the idea that one's problems lie in the hands of this God...honestly, sounds like something went wrong in life and the writer rather than blame his/her actions for the wrong...they blame God, unfourtanetly not a rarity in religion...


so your opinion would be that the "wrong" is something that would have been within the writers control explicitly? Therefor the writer is looking to god to "rescue" them from their own creation?


Not necassarily in the writers control, but when something goes wrong it is wrong to blame a God for this. I understand when a family member dies (young or old, doesn't matter for this explanation) that one is not in control of that situation, and so where do some turn in this time? God why...etc. Instead of understanding the logic behind why it happened they turn to God. Again, unfourtanetly not a rarity.



Says who??? WHo decides it is wrong to blame god for anything???

That is YOUR interpretation...people blame politicians, economy, partners, the weather, other people all the time...who says the poet cannot blame god and it's wrong....says who???

Methinks YOU feel it is wrong... and thats a judgement call... not a right.

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Mon 03/24/08 03:58 PM




God is funny like that to me. This conveys belief in a God but also the idea that one's problems lie in the hands of this God...honestly, sounds like something went wrong in life and the writer rather than blame his/her actions for the wrong...they blame God, unfourtanetly not a rarity in religion...


so your opinion would be that the "wrong" is something that would have been within the writers control explicitly? Therefor the writer is looking to god to "rescue" them from their own creation?


Not necassarily in the writers control, but when something goes wrong it is wrong to blame a God for this. I understand when a family member dies (young or old, doesn't matter for this explanation) that one is not in control of that situation, and so where do some turn in this time? God why...etc. Instead of understanding the logic behind why it happened they turn to God. Again, unfourtanetly not a rarity.



Says who??? WHo decides it is wrong to blame god for anything???

That is YOUR interpretation...people blame politicians, economy, partners, the weather, other people all the time...who says the poet cannot blame god and it's wrong....says who???

Methinks YOU feel it is wrong... and thats a judgement call... not a right.


One: I don't explicably believe in a God, man is responsible for man's place in life. Two: I don't believe it is right for anyone to blame anything or anyone for their outcome in life, you brought yourself this far and instead of trying to change your going to blame an outside source for your problem. Three: I have plenty of mistakes I can blame on others, but I don't...because I put myself in the situation in the first place, therefore understanding the problems that could arise from said situation.

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Mon 03/24/08 03:59 PM



God is funny like that to me. This conveys belief in a God but also the idea that one's problems lie in the hands of this God...honestly, sounds like something went wrong in life and the writer rather than blame his/her actions for the wrong...they blame God, unfourtanetly not a rarity in religion...


so your opinion would be that the "wrong" is something that would have been within the writers control explicitly? Therefor the writer is looking to god to "rescue" them from their own creation?


Not necassarily in the writers control, but when something goes wrong it is wrong to blame a God for this. I understand when a family member dies (young or old, doesn't matter for this explanation) that one is not in control of that situation, and so where do some turn in this time? God why...etc. Instead of understanding the logic behind why it happened they turn to God. Again, unfourtanetly not a rarity.


so you believe there isa "logic" behind everything including loss and the writer can't understand this logic so they turn to/blame God/religious diety? As you have stated many times this is not a rarity as most humans believe in something greater than themselves it's a need ingrained so that we don't feel small and insignificant.Where in your opinion should this writer have turned? Again bear in mind you don't know what generated the write

Jess642's photo
Mon 03/24/08 04:01 PM
Edited by Jess642 on Mon 03/24/08 04:02 PM
Fear and loathing,
Neither do I, I am driving this bus, this bus called Lee, I own all of my life, the good, the bad, the ugly...

however closed statements about blaming a god is wrong, will get me fired up instantly...

Ice can write whatever she chooses, if she was to have this poem targeting a person.... most would identify with her pain, and say kudos to you, I hear you... but because the g-o-d- word is used, people are having bloody conniptions all over the place...

iceprincess's photo
Mon 03/24/08 04:02 PM





God is funny like that to me. This conveys belief in a God but also the idea that one's problems lie in the hands of this God...honestly, sounds like something went wrong in life and the writer rather than blame his/her actions for the wrong...they blame God, unfourtanetly not a rarity in religion...


so your opinion would be that the "wrong" is something that would have been within the writers control explicitly? Therefor the writer is looking to god to "rescue" them from their own creation?


Not necassarily in the writers control, but when something goes wrong it is wrong to blame a God for this. I understand when a family member dies (young or old, doesn't matter for this explanation) that one is not in control of that situation, and so where do some turn in this time? God why...etc. Instead of understanding the logic behind why it happened they turn to God. Again, unfourtanetly not a rarity.



Says who??? WHo decides it is wrong to blame god for anything???

That is YOUR interpretation...people blame politicians, economy, partners, the weather, other people all the time...who says the poet cannot blame god and it's wrong....says who???

Methinks YOU feel it is wrong... and thats a judgement call... not a right.


One: I don't explicably believe in a God, man is responsible for man's place in life. Two: I don't believe it is right for anyone to blame anything or anyone for their outcome in life, you brought yourself this far and instead of trying to change your going to blame an outside source for your problem. Three: I have plenty of mistakes I can blame on others, but I don't...because I put myself in the situation in the first place, therefore understanding the problems that could arise from said situation.


One can never know all of the problems that can and will arise from life. You haven't always placed yourself in every situation that problems hae arisen from this i can guarantee. The biggest obstical you will ever face is life itself and last i checked you didn't give birth to yourself.

FearandLoathing's photo
Mon 03/24/08 04:02 PM




God is funny like that to me. This conveys belief in a God but also the idea that one's problems lie in the hands of this God...honestly, sounds like something went wrong in life and the writer rather than blame his/her actions for the wrong...they blame God, unfourtanetly not a rarity in religion...


so your opinion would be that the "wrong" is something that would have been within the writers control explicitly? Therefor the writer is looking to god to "rescue" them from their own creation?


Not necassarily in the writers control, but when something goes wrong it is wrong to blame a God for this. I understand when a family member dies (young or old, doesn't matter for this explanation) that one is not in control of that situation, and so where do some turn in this time? God why...etc. Instead of understanding the logic behind why it happened they turn to God. Again, unfourtanetly not a rarity.


so you believe there isa "logic" behind everything including loss and the writer can't understand this logic so they turn to/blame God/religious diety? As you have stated many times this is not a rarity as most humans believe in something greater than themselves it's a need ingrained so that we don't feel small and insignificant.Where in your opinion should this writer have turned? Again bear in mind you don't know what generated the write


For the most part there is logic behind everything, with the exception of few things. Perhaps the writer should have sought logic first then if it remained a question turned to something else.

Please keep in mind I don't truly believe in a God, I don't follow a deity or belief. I am an agnostic, but have ventured through several religions.

FearandLoathing's photo
Mon 03/24/08 04:06 PM






God is funny like that to me. This conveys belief in a God but also the idea that one's problems lie in the hands of this God...honestly, sounds like something went wrong in life and the writer rather than blame his/her actions for the wrong...they blame God, unfourtanetly not a rarity in religion...


so your opinion would be that the "wrong" is something that would have been within the writers control explicitly? Therefor the writer is looking to god to "rescue" them from their own creation?


Not necassarily in the writers control, but when something goes wrong it is wrong to blame a God for this. I understand when a family member dies (young or old, doesn't matter for this explanation) that one is not in control of that situation, and so where do some turn in this time? God why...etc. Instead of understanding the logic behind why it happened they turn to God. Again, unfourtanetly not a rarity.



Says who??? WHo decides it is wrong to blame god for anything???

That is YOUR interpretation...people blame politicians, economy, partners, the weather, other people all the time...who says the poet cannot blame god and it's wrong....says who???

Methinks YOU feel it is wrong... and thats a judgement call... not a right.


One: I don't explicably believe in a God, man is responsible for man's place in life. Two: I don't believe it is right for anyone to blame anything or anyone for their outcome in life, you brought yourself this far and instead of trying to change your going to blame an outside source for your problem. Three: I have plenty of mistakes I can blame on others, but I don't...because I put myself in the situation in the first place, therefore understanding the problems that could arise from said situation.


One can never know all of the problems that can and will arise from life. You haven't always placed yourself in every situation that problems hae arisen from this i can guarantee. The biggest obstical you will ever face is life itself and last i checked you didn't give birth to yourself.


You want to know what I live for? The end of civilization. Do you know how many things you have to go through/see in order to give up on mankind at such an early age? A lot. Life is not an obstacle it is a voyage, the obstacles are what you make of life.

iceprincess's photo
Mon 03/24/08 04:07 PM





God is funny like that to me. This conveys belief in a God but also the idea that one's problems lie in the hands of this God...honestly, sounds like something went wrong in life and the writer rather than blame his/her actions for the wrong...they blame God, unfourtanetly not a rarity in religion...


so your opinion would be that the "wrong" is something that would have been within the writers control explicitly? Therefor the writer is looking to god to "rescue" them from their own creation?


Not necassarily in the writers control, but when something goes wrong it is wrong to blame a God for this. I understand when a family member dies (young or old, doesn't matter for this explanation) that one is not in control of that situation, and so where do some turn in this time? God why...etc. Instead of understanding the logic behind why it happened they turn to God. Again, unfourtanetly not a rarity.


so you believe there isa "logic" behind everything including loss and the writer can't understand this logic so they turn to/blame God/religious diety? As you have stated many times this is not a rarity as most humans believe in something greater than themselves it's a need ingrained so that we don't feel small and insignificant.Where in your opinion should this writer have turned? Again bear in mind you don't know what generated the write


For the most part there is logic behind everything, with the exception of few things. Perhaps the writer should have sought logic first then if it remained a question turned to something else.

Please keep in mind I don't truly believe in a God, I don't follow a deity or belief. I am an agnostic, but have ventured through several religions.


I am keeping this in mind. I was just curious as to what you will turn to when logic fails.

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Mon 03/24/08 04:28 PM
Edited by lizardking19 on Mon 03/24/08 04:28 PM






God is funny like that to me. This conveys belief in a God but also the idea that one's problems lie in the hands of this God...honestly, sounds like something went wrong in life and the writer rather than blame his/her actions for the wrong...they blame God, unfourtanetly not a rarity in religion...


so your opinion would be that the "wrong" is something that would have been within the writers control explicitly? Therefor the writer is looking to god to "rescue" them from their own creation?


Not necassarily in the writers control, but when something goes wrong it is wrong to blame a God for this. I understand when a family member dies (young or old, doesn't matter for this explanation) that one is not in control of that situation, and so where do some turn in this time? God why...etc. Instead of understanding the logic behind why it happened they turn to God. Again, unfourtanetly not a rarity.


so you believe there isa "logic" behind everything including loss and the writer can't understand this logic so they turn to/blame God/religious diety? As you have stated many times this is not a rarity as most humans believe in something greater than themselves it's a need ingrained so that we don't feel small and insignificant.Where in your opinion should this writer have turned? Again bear in mind you don't know what generated the write


For the most part there is logic behind everything, with the exception of few things. Perhaps the writer should have sought logic first then if it remained a question turned to something else.

Please keep in mind I don't truly believe in a God, I don't follow a deity or belief. I am an agnostic, but have ventured through several religions.


I am keeping this in mind. I was just curious as to what you will turn to when logic fails.


u seem awefully sure logic will fail when it hasnt yet in all historybigsmile
Im not counting biblical stories because they r western cultures equivalent of greek mythology, a moral or lesson embedded in a silly story

While im at it I may as well mention a national geographic article which stated how chimpanzees have been known to perform primitive dances very similar to the way many practicioners of old primitive polytheistic religions did
Proof that chimps believe in god? do chimps go to heaven? do chimps have souls?
OR...
Direct proof of evolution through behaviour?bigsmile


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Mon 03/24/08 04:36 PM







God is funny like that to me. This conveys belief in a God but also the idea that one's problems lie in the hands of this God...honestly, sounds like something went wrong in life and the writer rather than blame his/her actions for the wrong...they blame God, unfourtanetly not a rarity in religion...


so your opinion would be that the "wrong" is something that would have been within the writers control explicitly? Therefor the writer is looking to god to "rescue" them from their own creation?


Not necassarily in the writers control, but when something goes wrong it is wrong to blame a God for this. I understand when a family member dies (young or old, doesn't matter for this explanation) that one is not in control of that situation, and so where do some turn in this time? God why...etc. Instead of understanding the logic behind why it happened they turn to God. Again, unfourtanetly not a rarity.


so you believe there isa "logic" behind everything including loss and the writer can't understand this logic so they turn to/blame God/religious diety? As you have stated many times this is not a rarity as most humans believe in something greater than themselves it's a need ingrained so that we don't feel small and insignificant.Where in your opinion should this writer have turned? Again bear in mind you don't know what generated the write


For the most part there is logic behind everything, with the exception of few things. Perhaps the writer should have sought logic first then if it remained a question turned to something else.

Please keep in mind I don't truly believe in a God, I don't follow a deity or belief. I am an agnostic, but have ventured through several religions.


I am keeping this in mind. I was just curious as to what you will turn to when logic fails.


u seem awefully sure logic will fail when it hasnt yet in all historybigsmile
Im not counting biblical stories because they r western cultures equivalent of greek mythology, a moral or lesson embedded in a silly story

While im at it I may as well mention a national geographic article which stated how chimpanzees have been known to perform primitive dances very similar to the way many practicioners of old primitive polytheistic religions did
Proof that chimps believe in god? do chimps go to heaven? do chimps have souls?
OR...
Direct proof of evolution through behaviour?bigsmile




I don't know whether logic will or will not fail in any given situation as you must first be in the situation to find that out. I belive at times humans turn to god or in this case Hate God because they feel safe in doing so until they can Logic their way out of/deal with the prediciment.

As for the chimps I advise you ask one...........LOL

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Mon 03/24/08 05:39 PM
History behind this poem is i had a tumor in course of exploring options for treatment i also discovered i was pregnant. the tumor was malignant it was highly suggested i begin treatment immediattly. However my course of treatment would have severe if not fatal consequences for my child. I could choose to wait till my child was far enough along to take safely and sign my own death sentence or i could have an abortion saving myself. Bear in mind i have two children. Do I attempt to save the unborn and sentence all three to life without a mother, or do i sacrifice one for them and myself? Do i take my chances and hope God really does save children and fools?

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Mon 03/24/08 05:52 PM
If there's someone left to watch the children, I'd say to save the child. David often wrote like this in the Psalms but usually ended up turning back to God and praising him in the end.

We go through troubles but God is still God no matter what. David had a close relationship with God. Do you? I believe the Lord wants to hear our problems and he wants us to be honest with him. I believe he honors our gut-level expression, too.

I would encourage everyone who could to pray for you and pray at length. I feel you will pull through alright and if you don't and you are right with God through Jesus, you know you'll go home to a better place. That can make cancer and death lose some of its sting. Still it is tough.

Good luck with your choice. Whichever you chose, may God bless you. I hope things turn out alright.

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Mon 03/24/08 06:08 PM
Not so much a poem as a complaint and a comment.

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Mon 03/24/08 06:11 PM

Not so much a poem as a complaint and a comment.
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