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war is. it always was. Though I would not argue with you, Your politics. I would argue this. IT does nott matter if they are deluded.. They believe.. and a person should never be punished for thier beliefs. I was never in a war zone, but I did serve for most of my life. I would not agree with this last statement of yours. it is no war that steals humanity and sanity.. it is greed and the seduction of power... it is the realization that things are not as they seem.. it is many things.. shattered illusions.. broken realities.. all of that steals humanity and sanity... war is a result of that, not the cause.
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i have no problems with the military, i may not agree with the war but i can understand why we're there. what pisses me off is all these people cutting pasting this government bashing crap with no real thoughts of their own. i may not like bush that much but the man was voted into office, he deserves the support of his country.
you may not have voted for him, i didn't, but the plain and simple fact of it is, it's not all his fault, every problem this country has is not his doing. congress does their fair share, democrats have theirs as well and republicans, independants, the military and every other organization and office the government has to offer has all made their fair share of mistakes and cuased just as many problems as the rest. if you ask me were the blame should be placed it's with the american people. no matter who made what mistake and who voted for who every single person on these threads has voted for somebody that screwed sh!t up at some point. stop complaining about who is in office and worry about who is going to be in office next. stop bashing obama, hillary and mccain. you don't like your choices vote for one of the lesser known independants running instead. it's not like those 3 are your only choices. stop voting for the little r or d next to their name and use your heads for once. the only way anything will ever change in this country is if WE change it, not them. so stop placing blame with these idiotic cut and paste threads and start doing something about it. |
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Edited by
Fanta46
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Wed 03/26/08 08:54 PM
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Let me tell you something very related to this
Last summer, when the military was having a hard time meeting it recruiting needs. The military, not wanting to start a draft, opened a door to allow some men to join that probably shouldn't have. I see nothing good to come from this, only more difficulties for our society to deal with! One such boy, I know him well, addicted to crack cocaine saw his opportunity. His family, esp his father, thought the military was a good idea for his son. He figured the military would help get his son off crack. Nothing else seemed to help! I tried to talk the father out of it but he insisted, and wouldn't allow me to talk with his son! I was going to talk him out of it! The boy is my nephew! He is now in Iraq, has been since Oct. Hes in the Infantry and supposedly doing okay. My worry then and now is, if the boys could not deal with life before the military without using addictive substances. How hard is it going to be when they come home, with the PTSD, and the ghosts that they will carry with them. I know the military, and I can see them dumping these boys back on the streets with nothing, once they are done with them. It will be the families, and society in general, which will be forced to deal with them. I fear the drug problems will be multiplied and the addicts will be angry young men with a deadly disposition! |
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Edited by
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i have no problems with the military, i may not agree with the war but i can understand why we're there. what pisses me off is all these people cutting pasting this government bashing crap with no real thoughts of their own. i may not like bush that much but the man was voted into office, he deserves the support of his country. you may not have voted for him, i didn't, but the plain and simple fact of it is, it's not all his fault, every problem this country has is not his doing. congress does their fair share, democrats have theirs as well and republicans, independants, the military and every other organization and office the government has to offer has all made their fair share of mistakes and cuased just as many problems as the rest. if you ask me were the blame should be placed it's with the american people. no matter who made what mistake and who voted for who every single person on these threads has voted for somebody that screwed sh!t up at some point. stop complaining about who is in office and worry about who is going to be in office next. stop bashing obama, hillary and mccain. you don't like your choices vote for one of the lesser known independants running instead. it's not like those 3 are your only choices. stop voting for the little r or d next to their name and use your heads for once. the only way anything will ever change in this country is if WE change it, not them. so stop placing blame with these idiotic cut and paste threads and start doing something about it. all very well spoken. but there is no bashing of anyone on this thread that I saw. I would say that I never thought this war was right or wrong.. but I am not stupid and I do remember when it happened EVERYONE was for it.. regardless of the reasons, the politics.. the bull****.. all were behind this thing we did.. and blaming and pointing fingers is not the answer. |
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ah.. but people do join.. and they will.. because they are looking for purpose and reason in an insane world..because of many different reasons and purposes.. BUT they do.. and in having made that decision, they live up to the responsiblity they sign up for.. and the government should in return live up to the same. A prisoner does a crime.. he gets tried and convicted.. he repays society.. A military member does an honor, a duty or a responsiblity.. he is raped by society.. There is a huge difference here.. but the original writer is correct.. They are prisoners.. and they were never criminals Yes they do join up, out of lack of knowing what is really going on. Yes they feel like they are fighting for a cause. They are deluded. Sorry, but they are brainwashed just like most of the American Public. I feel sorry for them. I want to tell them the truth but most will not hear. It is their decision and they will pay a dear price for it. WAR steals your humanity and your sanity. If you can get out with that intact, you probably were not in a war zone. JB Well, about the only thing I agreed with in that statement is 'it is their decision'. It's an all-volunteer military and I give them much more credit than that. I'm sure they know what price they could be paying for being over there, after all, they took an oath. I am against this war too, but I still respect their decision to be over there. Even though I've served in the military, I don't think you have to have served in the military to respect their decision. |
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I only stated that i agreed with the original thread which pointed out these men were locked into something they did not agree to.. they signed up to serve for so many years. .their time is up.. they should be freed. It is a matter of honor there. I was taking no credit form any of these people. Indeed I have all kinds of respect for them for volunteering.. but I think our govenrment should be willing to let them go, when they have already met thier obligations and thier promises
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Edited by
mnhiker
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Wed 03/26/08 09:01 PM
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Let me tell you something very related to this Last summer, when the military was having a hard time meeting it recruiting needs. The military, not wanting to start a draft, opened a door to allow some men to join that probably shouldn't have. I see nothing good to come from this, only more difficulties for our society to deal with! One such boy, I know him well, addicted to crack cocaine saw his opportunity. His family, esp his father, thought the military was a good idea for his son. He figured the military would help get his son off crack. Nothing else seemed to help! I tried to talk the father out of it but he insisted, and wouldn't allow me to talk with his son! I was going to talk him out of it! The boy is my nephew! He is now in Iraq, has been since Oct. Hes in the Infantry and supposedly doing okay. My worry then and now is, if the boys could not deal with life before the military without using addictive substances. How hard is it going to be when they come home, with the PTSD, and the ghosts that they will carry with them. I know the military, and I can see them dumping these boys back on the streets with nothing, once they are done with them. It will be the families, and society in general, which will be forced to deal with them. I fear the drug problems will be multiplied and the addicts will be angry young men with a deadly disposition! What really angers me about the chickenhawk neocons is that they wouldn't send their children over there to fight and they also did everything they could to get out of 'Nam!! And then, once the military person has served his or her purpose, they don't fully support him or her when they get out!! They try to cut military benefits, etc... 
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war is. it always was. Though I would not argue with you, Your politics. I would argue this. IT does nott matter if they are deluded.. They believe.. and a person should never be punished for thier beliefs. I was never in a war zone, but I did serve for most of my life. I would not agree with this last statement of yours. it is no war that steals humanity and sanity.. it is greed and the seduction of power... it is the realization that things are not as they seem.. it is many things.. shattered illusions.. broken realities.. all of that steals humanity and sanity... war is a result of that, not the cause. Greed and the want for power is the motive for war, but that is not the cause of insanity or the stealing of a person's humanity. That comes when the cruelty of war sets in on the minds of the men and women who thought they were doing a noble thing by serving the interests of those in power. Those who orchestrate the war are not insane, they are just cruel and greedy and they don't care about the pawns who fight and die for them. They spend their time convincing these pawns that they fight for the noble cause of peace and freedom. The people do not benefit from the wealth they amass. The people have mortgaged their lives and their homes and given their sons to the cause of a war for power and greed. Yes they are deluded, yes the believe. No a person SHOULD NOT be punished for their beliefs... but all beliefs and all actions will reap what they sow. We make mistakes and we pay for them and we hope to learn from them. Sometimes we learn and sometimes we don't learn. I don't blame those who served, they will learn something from it. I don't "punish" them. People always make their own decisions with their life, I just wish they would take more time to find out the truth before they give their lives away to the masters of deceit. JB |
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i have no problems with the military, i may not agree with the war but i can understand why we're there. what pisses me off is all these people cutting pasting this government bashing crap with no real thoughts of their own. i may not like bush that much but the man was voted into office, he deserves the support of his country. you may not have voted for him, i didn't, but the plain and simple fact of it is, it's not all his fault, every problem this country has is not his doing. congress does their fair share, democrats have theirs as well and republicans, independants, the military and every other organization and office the government has to offer has all made their fair share of mistakes and cuased just as many problems as the rest. if you ask me were the blame should be placed it's with the american people. no matter who made what mistake and who voted for who every single person on these threads has voted for somebody that screwed sh!t up at some point. stop complaining about who is in office and worry about who is going to be in office next. stop bashing obama, hillary and mccain. you don't like your choices vote for one of the lesser known independants running instead. it's not like those 3 are your only choices. stop voting for the little r or d next to their name and use your heads for once. the only way anything will ever change in this country is if WE change it, not them. so stop placing blame with these idiotic cut and paste threads and start doing something about it. all very well spoken. but there is no bashing of anyone on this thread that I saw. I would say that I never thought this war was right or wrong.. but I am not stupid and I do remember when it happened EVERYONE was for it.. regardless of the reasons, the politics.. the bull****.. all were behind this thing we did.. and blaming and pointing fingers is not the answer. i wasn't speaking of this thread alone. there are a few people on here that have a tendency to post these cut and paste comments on the u.s., the government, bush, hillary, obama and about everything else dealing with it but yet none of them will offer up a comment they themselves thought of on their own with their own feelings nor have any of them offered up any suggestions on those issues. just straight up complaining about it in the form of somebody elses thoughts they just happen to agree with. it's this kind of mindless thinking that cuases these problems in the first place. my suggestion? stop buying into everything you read, think for yourself, vote for yourself, speak for yourself, act for yourself. don't like the people running for president? start your own campaign to put somebody you think would do the job right into office. anybody can run for the office, all it takes is a certain number signetures to get on the ballot, 35 years old, and a native born citizen. we don't have to settle for who the democrats and republicans say we have to choose so why are we? you don't like the war in iraq, put people in office that will stop it. you don't like how the military operates? put people in office who will change it. thats out resonsibility as americans. |
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They wont stop stop-loss simply because to do so would bring the draft!
They wont do that because suddenly they would find the arm-chair generals in the streets. Protesting a war that suddenly affected them! Civil unrest would soon make it very hard for them to continue the war! 
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They wont stop stop-loss simply because to do so would bring the draft! They wont do that because suddenly they would find the arm-chair generals in the streets. Protesting a war that suddenly affected them! Civil unrest would soon make it very hard for them to continue the war! Yes, I agree. A lot of armchair generals, chickhawks and fake patriots out there!!
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you don't like the war in iraq, put people in office that will stop it. you don't like how the military operates? put people in office who will change it. thats out resonsibility as americans. It takes more than just one person to do that. And it takes more than one person telling us to do that. You have to organize and spread the message, and you have to have the money to do that etc etc. Waste of time... You know why? A person would have to make it their career. Some people don't want that kind of career. They just want to live their lives as they see fit. As far as I am concerned, George Bush is NOT THE PRESIDENT of me or my life. I impeached him long ago. I live my life with out the likes of him in it. As far as the war is concerned, hey I don't like it, I would not join up even if I could, and I advise everyone I see not to join the service. But everyone makes their own personal choices don't they? JB |
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you don't like the war in iraq, put people in office that will stop it. you don't like how the military operates? put people in office who will change it. thats out resonsibility as americans. It takes more than just one person to do that. And it takes more than one person telling us to do that. You have to organize and spread the message, and you have to have the money to do that etc etc. Waste of time... You know why? A person would have to make it their career. Some people don't want that kind of career. They just want to live their lives as they see fit. As far as I am concerned, George Bush is NOT THE PRESIDENT of me or my life. I impeached him long ago. I live my life with out the likes of him in it. As far as the war is concerned, hey I don't like it, I would not join up even if I could, and I advise everyone I see not to join the service. But everyone makes their own personal choices don't they? JB and that is why it never changes, you still blame bush alone, and instead of looking for a way to change it you say 'hey it's not my problem, it's too much work". it does take more then 1 person to change it, it would take millions but it has to start somewhere doesn't it. but apparently you don't see higher taxes, higher gas prices, higher costs of living, people dying for your rights to pay more, expensive health insurance and a lot of other things as being your problem cuz you impeached bush a long time ago. well thank god you have d!ck cheney to rely on huh? |
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It makes me mad to hear someone talk support for this war, and when you look, they are young enough to be in uniform doing their part!
If your going to talk it, walk it! Join, otherwise STFU, or at least be respectful towards the ones that do! |
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and who are you directing that towards?
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 Anyone the shoe fits. |
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and who are you directing that towards? Not you man!
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It makes me mad to hear someone talk support for this war, and when you look, they are young enough to be in uniform doing their part! If your going to talk it, walk it! Join, otherwise STFU, or at least be respectful towards the ones that do!
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Let me tell you something very related to this Last summer, when the military was having a hard time meeting it recruiting needs. The military, not wanting to start a draft, opened a door to allow some men to join that probably shouldn't have. I see nothing good to come from this, only more difficulties for our society to deal with! One such boy, I know him well, addicted to crack cocaine saw his opportunity. His family, esp his father, thought the military was a good idea for his son. He figured the military would help get his son off crack. Nothing else seemed to help! I tried to talk the father out of it but he insisted, and wouldn't allow me to talk with his son! I was going to talk him out of it! The boy is my nephew! He is now in Iraq, has been since Oct. Hes in the Infantry and supposedly doing okay. My worry then and now is, if the boys could not deal with life before the military without using addictive substances. How hard is it going to be when they come home, with the PTSD, and the ghosts that they will carry with them. I know the military, and I can see them dumping these boys back on the streets with nothing, once they are done with them. It will be the families, and society in general, which will be forced to deal with them. I fear the drug problems will be multiplied and the addicts will be angry young men with a deadly disposition! they are also having problems with gang related activity as well because of lowering the standards ---- then when their time is up they go back to the hood and use their training against law enforcement officers yep they need to raise the standards back up and reinstate the draft no doubt about it |
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Thats what I kept trying to tell his dad, adj.
If he couldnt deal with him before, how did he expect to deal with him when he comes back from war! |
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